Two vampire hunters duke it out. Buffy vs Trevor Belmont (Netflix)

[AThe1412]

Depends on if she can catch the whip without exploding on contact with the whip if she’s tied to a supernatural being.

Has the durability negation been shown to work on anything other than monsters? The profile doesn't specifically mention it so I'm asking to know.

 

[Theglassman12]

Anything supernatural it has a tendency to work on, vampires and night creatures essentially die in one hit to it unless Buffy isn’t some supernatural entity and is just some normal person who’s good at fighting.

 

[AThe1412]

Switching my vote to Mr. Belmont FRA.

 

[Stillwinston]

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[AThe1412]

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[Stillwinston]

Bump?

 

[AThe1412]

Bump.

 

[Stillwinston]

I don't think this is a necro so bump

 

[FireSwordHero]

Yeah Buffy wins this im afraid. Simply put, she takes the edge in pretty much every category. She's stronger than Belmont in terms of AP and LS, and her slayer blood gives her thousands of years of combat experience.

Some people have argued that Belmont would win due to the fact that his (standard) whip is harmful against supernatural beings (which Buffy would qualify as), and that it would kill Buffy by bypassing her durability, rendering the AP/LS advantage pointless, but I don't think that would be the case here.

See, Belmont's whips are stated to be Holy due to it being consecrated against creatures of the night, which is likely what also allows it to bypass the durability of its supernatural foes in the first place. Despite the fact that Slayers in Buffy's verse draw their powers from Demon essence (which is what gives them their supernatural powers), Slayers such as Buffy have an routinely utilised Holy weaponry as a means of combating enemies such as Vampires without it causing harm to themselves, despite the fact that Slayer's should technically be harmed by it as well due to their demonic origins. With that logic in mind, Trevor's Leather Whip shouldn't be able to harm Buffy the same way it does actual demons. It's still a dangerous whip, sure, but Buffy isn't going to suddenly explode just by touching it.

Last but not least, Buffy's standard equipment grants her a crossbow, meaning she also takes the range stat by being able to fight from a distance. That's not to say its instawin for Buffy, since both characters usually fight in melee, but it is an additional advantage that Buffy has that can utilise, and with all the advantages she has, including having a pretty strong regen, Trevor just doesn't have anything to nab him the win.

That being said, Trevor would absoluty destroy Buffy if speed wasn't equalized and Morningstar was allowed, but that's neither her nor there.

 

[Theglassman12]

The AP isn’t that big to be a deciding factor here, neither is LS when Trevor fought and kept up with Alucard, who’s LS outclassed him.

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow. Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely. Vampires in general have Low-Mid regen in Netflixlvania and they still die to the whip so yeah not really a deciding factor.

 

[ByArrow]

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Although Slayers' powers originally came from the essence of a demon, Slayers are not of demonic bloodline. In fact, the Slayer bloodline is the force that keeps Evil itself out of the universe.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow. Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely.

Isn't the whip's explosion High 8-C? Whip's explosion should be restricted in this match to make it a fair match

 

[ByArrow]

Upon revisiting Trevor's profile, I noticed that Trevor scaled to 0.017 tons instead of 0.034, which increases the AP difference to 3,08031520588

Also, trevor's 0.017 tons feat was not accepted.

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s demonic in nature, the night creatures are just human bodies with a soul of a person in hell shoved into it, that’s still classified as demonic in nature and can blow them up easily.

No the whip’s explosion you’re referring to the item crash when he has both the normal whip and Morningstar whip, by explosion I’m talking about the holy explosion every single demonic force of nature suffers from.

Trevor scales to Sypha at that point, so that ice feat would be comparable to him.

 

[FireSwordHero]

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Yeah, no, did you not read anything I had written? The whip isn't going to work on Buffy simply because she herself isn't affected by Holy weapons, as she herself has carried multiple holy artifacts/weapons without being affected by them, and this is despite her demonic origins. If the Slayer originally being demonic was a problem, then Buffy wouldn't be able to carry crosses and the like.

On that note, the whip's durability negating powers are derived from the whip itself having Holy Magic, and the foes that Trevor faces being specifically vulnerable to such Magic. It shouldn't be considered a mutualy exclusive ability. Buffy herself isn't affected by wielding holy items, so the whip won't do much either in this case.

Plus saying that Buffy would be affect because she "lacks resistances" to Holy Magic is just fallacious. It's like saying Hamon from Jojo can destroy humans the same way it can destroy vampires because you can channel it through both targets and Humans can't resist Hamon. You can, but Hamon isn't going to turn humans to ash in the same way a vampire would be, it would at most shock them. Same logic here, but with the whip and Buffy.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow.

Again, the crossbow isn't a deciding factor, but it is another factor that Buffy takes the edge in as it does mean she has acess to ranged weaponry, while Belmont doesn't.

Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely. Vampires in general have Low-Mid regen in Netflixlvania and they still die to the whip so yeah not really a deciding factor.

Again, this is under the assumption that Buffy would be affected at all by the whips Holy attributes, or that the durability negation against supernatural foes is a mutually exclusive ability from the whips Holy power (which it isn't). Castlevania Vampires boil because the whip is holy in nature and they are weak to holy magic. Buffy's regen won't be affected by the whip because she herself isn't vulnerable to holy magic.

 

[Stillwinston]

Again, the crossbow isn't a deciding factor, but it is another factor that Buffy takes the edge in as it does mean she has acess to ranged weaponry, while Belmont doesn't.

Trevor's got throwing knives so range isn't an issue, best case the pair cancel each other out and its also in character for him to use them in a way to set up his opponents to get hit by his whip as he did with Alucard

 

[ByArrow]

That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s demonic in nature, the night creatures are just human bodies with a soul of a person in hell shoved into it, that’s still classified as demonic in nature and can blow them up easily.

Slayers are not demonic. Yes, the first slayer was empowered with the essence of demon and the slayer bloodline began, but slayers are not the night creature and demonic. It's the opposite of that. They are supernatural beings who keep the concept of evil itself out of the universe. And And Slayers are not affected by holy things

Trevor scales to Sypha at that point, so that ice feat would be comparable to him.

There is nothing in Trevor's profile that says/shows that Trevor scales to Sypha.

If trevor scales to Sypha, his profile should be corrected to show this

And trevor's 0.017 tons feat should be removed from his profile as it is not accept.

 

[ByArrow]

Trevor's got throwing knives so range isn't an issue, best case the pair cancel each other out and its also in character for him to use them in a way to set up his opponents to get hit by his whip as he did with Alucard

Buffy still has the advantage in ranged weapons thanks to her marksmanship.

 

[Stillwinston]

Bump

 

[FireSwordHero]

Yeah, I really don't see Trevor winning this overall. Sure, Buffy's AP and LS isn't gigantic enough to be a stomp, but when you factor in that Buffy takes pretty much every category, on top of having THOUSANDS of years of experience due to Slayer Magic, Buffy just simply wins this by being better than Belmon in every concievable way, outside of Trevor's more powerful arsenal such as the Morningstar Whip.

 

[Theglassman12]

Finally back from my exam break.

@FireSwordHero Yeah all you've said just tells me that holy weapons don't function the same, especially when Buffy lacks resistances towards holy manipulation. Also the fact she has any ties towards demonic powers would make the whip effective in the first place, this is not the same as Hamon against normal humans as it's a human with demonic powers.

Again, he's fought beings with bows and arrows and outsmarted them despite being outnumbered so this is a non factor for Buffy.

Alucard wasn't that affected by the whip and he has Low-Mid Regen, Trevor knows how to kill beings with these kinds of regen, especially when he's more than experienced with decapitation which Low-Mid regen doesn't cover.

Experience again doesn't mean shit here when Trevor fought Dracula and kept up with him, the man with hundreds if not thousands of years of experience under his belt. Alucard also outstats Trevor her with AP and LS and yet he's capable of getting around that disadvantage and outsmart him in the end by having a knife ready to pierce his heart.

@ByArrow Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

You do realize the entire show with him keeping up with Sypha and helping her out with the tug of war with dracula's meteor would make him scale right? Plus that calc goes away and he scales to a stronger feat, so her AP advantage becomes very nonexistent at that point.

 

[ByArrow]

@ByArrow Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

1. Buffy's profile doesn't include resistance to holy things because she doesn't resist anything because holy things don't affect her. We don't give people resistance to the sun because the sun burns vampires but not humans. That's what's happening here.

2. If you look at the standard equipment and optional equipment in Buffy's profile, you can see that she uses holy things.

3.In the Buffyverse, night creatures are demons in human bodies. And that's why the holy items in the verse affect them. And these holy items don't affect Buffy because she's not a night creature.

4. Trevor has no resistance to holy things. That doesn't mean Buffy can burn him with holy water.

5. While the verse says that Slayers are not demonic, while it shows that holy things that affect demonic beings do not affect Slayers, and while it shows that slayers is supernatural beings that keep evil itself out of the universe, you cannot say that Slayers are demonic, that holy things will affect them, because the verse says the opposite of everything you claim.

 

[FireSwordHero]

Yeah all you've said just tells me that holy weapons don't function the same, especially when Buffy lacks resistances towards holy manipulation.

Buffy doesn't need resistance to Holy magic because holy items don't affect her in the first place, and most fights don't normally mention Holy magic as an advantage because unless an opponent is weak to holy items, it won't generally be a factor in a fight. Sure, if it was something like a Holy Laser attack, it would be different (because energy would still burn Buffy, Holy or not), but trevor's whip is literally JUST a whip, with an added attribute of [Holy] attached to it due to it being consecrated.

Also the fact she has any ties towards demonic powers would make the whip effective in the first place, this is not the same as Hamon against normal humans as it's a human with demonic powers.

Except that Holy items don't affect or hurt Buffy to begin with, so trying to apply that same weakness of Castlevania vampires to Buffy is stupid because she isn't affect by Holy items in the first place.

Again, he's fought beings with bows and arrows and outsmarted them despite being outnumbered so this is a non factor for Buffy.

Except it is. Trevor doesn't normally carry ranged weaponry and Buffy does. Sure, he CAN dodge arrows and he does possibly have experience with dealing with ranged weapons, but saying is a non factor when Buffy's equipment literally gives her the range advantage over Trevor is stupid. Even if he can dodge arrows, he can still be hit by them if Buffy gets lucky.

Also, since you don't seem to read my posts, I never implied that the range advantage was the deciding factor. I simply said it is just ONE OF THE MANY advantages Buffy holds over Trevor.

Alucard wasn't that affected by the whip and he has Low-Mid Regen, Trevor knows how to kill beings with these kinds of regen, especially when he's more than experienced with decapitation which Low-Mid regen doesn't cover.

First of all, that just means Alucard has Holy Resistance or that the whip's Holy power wasn't enough to affect him.

Second of all, this is assuming Buffy would just stand there and LET Trevor just decapitate her?

Experience again doesn't mean shit here when Trevor fought Dracula and kept up with him, the man with hundreds if not thousands of years of experience under his belt. Alucard also outstats Trevor her with AP and LS and yet he's capable of getting around that disadvantage and outsmart him in the end by having a knife ready to pierce his heart.

It does mean shit here because CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.

In the season 2 finale, Trevor, Sypha and Alucard all took on Dracula as a group, and they were barely able to hold on. Dracula practically one shots Trevor in the first moment of the fight, and the latter would have perished multiple times if it weren't for Sypha and Alucard distracting Dracula from finishing him off. Trevor only managed to get 2 good hits in, one with a blade(?) to the heart and one good hit with the Morningstar Whip (aka NOT his normal one), and though the latter attack managed to injure Dracula somewhat, it only worked because AGAIN, distractions from Sypha and Alucard. Neither Trevor nor Sypha were in Dracula's ballpark at any point during the fight, with only Alucard being able to somewhat take Dracula on. Even with all that, Dracula only died because he GAVE UP, after realising he was huring his own son and tarnishing the memory of his wife.

So to summarise

• Trevor could have been one shot multiple times during the fight and was only saved by Sypha and Alucard distracting Dracula
• Trevor only got two good hits in, and only because AGAIN, Dracula was distracted.
• The fight soon becomes only Alucard vs Dracula, and the latter only one because the other gave up.

Even if you could argue that Trevor somehow scales to Alucard in terms of experience, Alucard never matched Dracula to begin with so Trevor can't even scale from that.

Now takes this into the context of the fight between him and Buffy. Buffy's Slayer lineage not only grants her thousands of years of combat experience from access to the experience of previous slayers, but she herself is also a prodigy. She's experienced in jiu jitsu and aikido, and has recieved training from Giles, who is experienced in hand to hand combat, and Angel, who is a 200+ year old vampire with hundreds of years of experience. She's even been able to master fighting styles that she has never ever done before, such as Quaterstaff fighting. Trevor is going to lose to Buffy just as bad as he did to Dracula, except there's no Sypha or Alucard to bail him out and save his ass.

Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

Again, Buffy isn't vulnerable to Holy Magic

You do realize the entire show with him keeping up with Sypha and helping her out with the tug of war with dracula's meteor would make him scale right? Plus that calc goes away and he scales to a stronger feat, so her AP advantage becomes very nonexistent at that point.

Bruh, all Trevor did was provide an anchor for Sypha so she wouldn't be pushed back by the force of Dracula's attack, and Alucard ended up doing most of the work. Trevor doesn't scale in any way to that tug of war, and nobody on calc side of things agrees either since no feat on his page mentions the tug of war feat.

 

[Theglassman12]

@ByArrow Not the same logic when again you've admitted that Hunters have demonic essence in them.

Coolio, and do they have the same types of effects that trevor's whip does or no?

Did you mean Netflix Castlevania verse here? Also no the night creatures are literal human souls sprung into other bodies that just happen to stem from hell itself, them being somewhat tied to demonic nature makes them susceptible enough to the holy whip.

And trevor isn't tied to anything demonic or darkness related in the first place, he doesn't have some demonic ties with his bloodline so this comparison makes no sense.

And where's the proof of that? I'd like to see it.

@FireSwordHero Most fights also don't cover someone who's bloodline is tied to something demonic in nature so you're point being?

You're just repeating the same argument over and over again at this point, can you bring something new here because I've already addressed the whole "she isn't affected" part.

The whip is a ranged weapon, so is his knives and other weapons he carries with him. Especially when the whip gives him so much versatility in combat like redirecting it to attack someone's blind spot or tie someone down among many other things, a crossbow isn't helping Buffy here unless she can pull some insane stuff with the crossbow. You keep saying it's one of the many advantages here while I've been explaining why it's a moot point when not only does Trevor have combat experience against folks with ranged weapon but he himself has a far better ranged weapon with the whip, so unless you can bring up something buffy can do with the crossbow that trevor can't counter, this point is moot.

Cool, so you accept that Alucard has resistance to it, meaning Buffy's arguments of resisting holy powers (assuming they're legit in the first place) wouldn't really help her in the long run.

Trevor not only got some hits in but was able to dodge his attacks when he was trying to rip apart his throat, this was while both Sypha and Alucard was still recovering from their blows, so yes experience means jack shit here when Trevor can keep up with someone far older than him. Factor in the vampires he fights in season 4, one of which is a massive war veteran and another is a spirit who existed since the dawn of life itself, Buffy having the experience edge won't mean shit since Trevor knows how to adapt to the situation and catch his opponents off guard. No he wouldn't be losing to Buffy just as hard since Buffy doesn't stat stomp trevor to hell and back, one's completely different than the other.

I've already addressed this, bring a new argument to the table.

The calc is still accepted and applied to the pages/verse my guy, the fact Trevor is about as strong of a hunter if not stronger than Sypha given his bloodline of hunting, on top of having far more of a dangerous presence than the speakers tells us volumes with trevor's scaling. This sounds more like you're just complaining about the page format more than the actual feat cause he still scales to 9-A with those two feats at the end of the day.