Two vampire hunters duke it out. Buffy vs Trevor Belmont (Netflix)

[AThe1412]

Depends on if she can catch the whip without exploding on contact with the whip if she’s tied to a supernatural being.

Has the durability negation been shown to work on anything other than monsters? The profile doesn't specifically mention it so I'm asking to know.

 

[Theglassman12]

Anything supernatural it has a tendency to work on, vampires and night creatures essentially die in one hit to it unless Buffy isn’t some supernatural entity and is just some normal person who’s good at fighting.

 

[AThe1412]

Switching my vote to Mr. Belmont FRA.

 

[Stillwinston]

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[AThe1412]

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[AThe1412]

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[Stillwinston]

I don't think this is a necro so bump

 

[FireSwordHero]

Yeah Buffy wins this im afraid. Simply put, she takes the edge in pretty much every category. She's stronger than Belmont in terms of AP and LS, and her slayer blood gives her thousands of years of combat experience.

Some people have argued that Belmont would win due to the fact that his (standard) whip is harmful against supernatural beings (which Buffy would qualify as), and that it would kill Buffy by bypassing her durability, rendering the AP/LS advantage pointless, but I don't think that would be the case here.

See, Belmont's whips are stated to be Holy due to it being consecrated against creatures of the night, which is likely what also allows it to bypass the durability of its supernatural foes in the first place. Despite the fact that Slayers in Buffy's verse draw their powers from Demon essence (which is what gives them their supernatural powers), Slayers such as Buffy have an routinely utilised Holy weaponry as a means of combating enemies such as Vampires without it causing harm to themselves, despite the fact that Slayer's should technically be harmed by it as well due to their demonic origins. With that logic in mind, Trevor's Leather Whip shouldn't be able to harm Buffy the same way it does actual demons. It's still a dangerous whip, sure, but Buffy isn't going to suddenly explode just by touching it.

Last but not least, Buffy's standard equipment grants her a crossbow, meaning she also takes the range stat by being able to fight from a distance. That's not to say its instawin for Buffy, since both characters usually fight in melee, but it is an additional advantage that Buffy has that can utilise, and with all the advantages she has, including having a pretty strong regen, Trevor just doesn't have anything to nab him the win.

That being said, Trevor would absoluty destroy Buffy if speed wasn't equalized and Morningstar was allowed, but that's neither her nor there.

 

[Theglassman12]

The AP isn’t that big to be a deciding factor here, neither is LS when Trevor fought and kept up with Alucard, who’s LS outclassed him.

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow. Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely. Vampires in general have Low-Mid regen in Netflixlvania and they still die to the whip so yeah not really a deciding factor.

 

[ByArrow]

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Although Slayers' powers originally came from the essence of a demon, Slayers are not of demonic bloodline. In fact, the Slayer bloodline is the force that keeps Evil itself out of the universe.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow. Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely.

Isn't the whip's explosion High 8-C? Whip's explosion should be restricted in this match to make it a fair match

 

[ByArrow]

Upon revisiting Trevor's profile, I noticed that Trevor scaled to 0.017 tons instead of 0.034, which increases the AP difference to 3,08031520588

Also, trevor's 0.017 tons feat was not accepted.

 

[Theglassman12]

That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s demonic in nature, the night creatures are just human bodies with a soul of a person in hell shoved into it, that’s still classified as demonic in nature and can blow them up easily.

No the whip’s explosion you’re referring to the item crash when he has both the normal whip and Morningstar whip, by explosion I’m talking about the holy explosion every single demonic force of nature suffers from.

Trevor scales to Sypha at that point, so that ice feat would be comparable to him.

 

[FireSwordHero]

The fact she’s tied to demonic powers/lineage in the first place means she’s gonna be affected by the whip’s power. Plus she doesn’t have resistances to the whip’s abilities so her being demonic still leaves her vulnerable to the whip’s power.

Yeah, no, did you not read anything I had written? The whip isn't going to work on Buffy simply because she herself isn't affected by Holy weapons, as she herself has carried multiple holy artifacts/weapons without being affected by them, and this is despite her demonic origins. If the Slayer originally being demonic was a problem, then Buffy wouldn't be able to carry crosses and the like.

On that note, the whip's durability negating powers are derived from the whip itself having Holy Magic, and the foes that Trevor faces being specifically vulnerable to such Magic. It shouldn't be considered a mutualy exclusive ability. Buffy herself isn't affected by wielding holy items, so the whip won't do much either in this case.

Plus saying that Buffy would be affect because she "lacks resistances" to Holy Magic is just fallacious. It's like saying Hamon from Jojo can destroy humans the same way it can destroy vampires because you can channel it through both targets and Humans can't resist Hamon. You can, but Hamon isn't going to turn humans to ash in the same way a vampire would be, it would at most shock them. Same logic here, but with the whip and Buffy.

Crossbows mean jackshit to someone who can easily adapt to archers while bare handed and has numerous ranged attacks he can utilize with the whip, something Bucky can’t really do with a crossbow.

Again, the crossbow isn't a deciding factor, but it is another factor that Buffy takes the edge in as it does mean she has acess to ranged weaponry, while Belmont doesn't.

Regen means nothing here when the whip’s explosion will overpower the regen immensely. Vampires in general have Low-Mid regen in Netflixlvania and they still die to the whip so yeah not really a deciding factor.

Again, this is under the assumption that Buffy would be affected at all by the whips Holy attributes, or that the durability negation against supernatural foes is a mutually exclusive ability from the whips Holy power (which it isn't). Castlevania Vampires boil because the whip is holy in nature and they are weak to holy magic. Buffy's regen won't be affected by the whip because she herself isn't vulnerable to holy magic.

 

[Stillwinston]

Again, the crossbow isn't a deciding factor, but it is another factor that Buffy takes the edge in as it does mean she has acess to ranged weaponry, while Belmont doesn't.

Trevor's got throwing knives so range isn't an issue, best case the pair cancel each other out and its also in character for him to use them in a way to set up his opponents to get hit by his whip as he did with Alucard

 

[ByArrow]

That doesn’t really change the fact that it’s demonic in nature, the night creatures are just human bodies with a soul of a person in hell shoved into it, that’s still classified as demonic in nature and can blow them up easily.

Slayers are not demonic. Yes, the first slayer was empowered with the essence of demon and the slayer bloodline began, but slayers are not the night creature and demonic. It's the opposite of that. They are supernatural beings who keep the concept of evil itself out of the universe. And And Slayers are not affected by holy things

Trevor scales to Sypha at that point, so that ice feat would be comparable to him.

There is nothing in Trevor's profile that says/shows that Trevor scales to Sypha.

If trevor scales to Sypha, his profile should be corrected to show this

And trevor's 0.017 tons feat should be removed from his profile as it is not accept.

 

[ByArrow]

Trevor's got throwing knives so range isn't an issue, best case the pair cancel each other out and its also in character for him to use them in a way to set up his opponents to get hit by his whip as he did with Alucard

Buffy still has the advantage in ranged weapons thanks to her marksmanship.

 

[Stillwinston]

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[FireSwordHero]

Yeah, I really don't see Trevor winning this overall. Sure, Buffy's AP and LS isn't gigantic enough to be a stomp, but when you factor in that Buffy takes pretty much every category, on top of having THOUSANDS of years of experience due to Slayer Magic, Buffy just simply wins this by being better than Belmon in every concievable way, outside of Trevor's more powerful arsenal such as the Morningstar Whip.

 

[Theglassman12]

Finally back from my exam break.

@FireSwordHero Yeah all you've said just tells me that holy weapons don't function the same, especially when Buffy lacks resistances towards holy manipulation. Also the fact she has any ties towards demonic powers would make the whip effective in the first place, this is not the same as Hamon against normal humans as it's a human with demonic powers.

Again, he's fought beings with bows and arrows and outsmarted them despite being outnumbered so this is a non factor for Buffy.

Alucard wasn't that affected by the whip and he has Low-Mid Regen, Trevor knows how to kill beings with these kinds of regen, especially when he's more than experienced with decapitation which Low-Mid regen doesn't cover.

Experience again doesn't mean shit here when Trevor fought Dracula and kept up with him, the man with hundreds if not thousands of years of experience under his belt. Alucard also outstats Trevor her with AP and LS and yet he's capable of getting around that disadvantage and outsmart him in the end by having a knife ready to pierce his heart.

@ByArrow Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

You do realize the entire show with him keeping up with Sypha and helping her out with the tug of war with dracula's meteor would make him scale right? Plus that calc goes away and he scales to a stronger feat, so her AP advantage becomes very nonexistent at that point.

 

[ByArrow]

@ByArrow Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

1. Buffy's profile doesn't include resistance to holy things because she doesn't resist anything because holy things don't affect her. We don't give people resistance to the sun because the sun burns vampires but not humans. That's what's happening here.

2. If you look at the standard equipment and optional equipment in Buffy's profile, you can see that she uses holy things.

3.In the Buffyverse, night creatures are demons in human bodies. And that's why the holy items in the verse affect them. And these holy items don't affect Buffy because she's not a night creature.

4. Trevor has no resistance to holy things. That doesn't mean Buffy can burn him with holy water.

5. While the verse says that Slayers are not demonic, while it shows that holy things that affect demonic beings do not affect Slayers, and while it shows that slayers is supernatural beings that keep evil itself out of the universe, you cannot say that Slayers are demonic, that holy things will affect them, because the verse says the opposite of everything you claim.

 

[FireSwordHero]

Yeah all you've said just tells me that holy weapons don't function the same, especially when Buffy lacks resistances towards holy manipulation.

Buffy doesn't need resistance to Holy magic because holy items don't affect her in the first place, and most fights don't normally mention Holy magic as an advantage because unless an opponent is weak to holy items, it won't generally be a factor in a fight. Sure, if it was something like a Holy Laser attack, it would be different (because energy would still burn Buffy, Holy or not), but trevor's whip is literally JUST a whip, with an added attribute of [Holy] attached to it due to it being consecrated.

Also the fact she has any ties towards demonic powers would make the whip effective in the first place, this is not the same as Hamon against normal humans as it's a human with demonic powers.

Except that Holy items don't affect or hurt Buffy to begin with, so trying to apply that same weakness of Castlevania vampires to Buffy is stupid because she isn't affect by Holy items in the first place.

Again, he's fought beings with bows and arrows and outsmarted them despite being outnumbered so this is a non factor for Buffy.

Except it is. Trevor doesn't normally carry ranged weaponry and Buffy does. Sure, he CAN dodge arrows and he does possibly have experience with dealing with ranged weapons, but saying is a non factor when Buffy's equipment literally gives her the range advantage over Trevor is stupid. Even if he can dodge arrows, he can still be hit by them if Buffy gets lucky.

Also, since you don't seem to read my posts, I never implied that the range advantage was the deciding factor. I simply said it is just ONE OF THE MANY advantages Buffy holds over Trevor.

Alucard wasn't that affected by the whip and he has Low-Mid Regen, Trevor knows how to kill beings with these kinds of regen, especially when he's more than experienced with decapitation which Low-Mid regen doesn't cover.

First of all, that just means Alucard has Holy Resistance or that the whip's Holy power wasn't enough to affect him.

Second of all, this is assuming Buffy would just stand there and LET Trevor just decapitate her?

Experience again doesn't mean shit here when Trevor fought Dracula and kept up with him, the man with hundreds if not thousands of years of experience under his belt. Alucard also outstats Trevor her with AP and LS and yet he's capable of getting around that disadvantage and outsmart him in the end by having a knife ready to pierce his heart.

It does mean shit here because CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.

In the season 2 finale, Trevor, Sypha and Alucard all took on Dracula as a group, and they were barely able to hold on. Dracula practically one shots Trevor in the first moment of the fight, and the latter would have perished multiple times if it weren't for Sypha and Alucard distracting Dracula from finishing him off. Trevor only managed to get 2 good hits in, one with a blade(?) to the heart and one good hit with the Morningstar Whip (aka NOT his normal one), and though the latter attack managed to injure Dracula somewhat, it only worked because AGAIN, distractions from Sypha and Alucard. Neither Trevor nor Sypha were in Dracula's ballpark at any point during the fight, with only Alucard being able to somewhat take Dracula on. Even with all that, Dracula only died because he GAVE UP, after realising he was huring his own son and tarnishing the memory of his wife.

So to summarise

• Trevor could have been one shot multiple times during the fight and was only saved by Sypha and Alucard distracting Dracula
• Trevor only got two good hits in, and only because AGAIN, Dracula was distracted.
• The fight soon becomes only Alucard vs Dracula, and the latter only one because the other gave up.

Even if you could argue that Trevor somehow scales to Alucard in terms of experience, Alucard never matched Dracula to begin with so Trevor can't even scale from that.

Now takes this into the context of the fight between him and Buffy. Buffy's Slayer lineage not only grants her thousands of years of combat experience from access to the experience of previous slayers, but she herself is also a prodigy. She's experienced in jiu jitsu and aikido, and has recieved training from Giles, who is experienced in hand to hand combat, and Angel, who is a 200+ year old vampire with hundreds of years of experience. She's even been able to master fighting styles that she has never ever done before, such as Quaterstaff fighting. Trevor is going to lose to Buffy just as bad as he did to Dracula, except there's no Sypha or Alucard to bail him out and save his ass.

Again, lack of resistance to holy on her page tells me otherwise, plus Night creatures are literally human bodies who possess an essence of a demon, didn't really stop them from being susceptible to the whip.

Again, Buffy isn't vulnerable to Holy Magic

You do realize the entire show with him keeping up with Sypha and helping her out with the tug of war with dracula's meteor would make him scale right? Plus that calc goes away and he scales to a stronger feat, so her AP advantage becomes very nonexistent at that point.

Bruh, all Trevor did was provide an anchor for Sypha so she wouldn't be pushed back by the force of Dracula's attack, and Alucard ended up doing most of the work. Trevor doesn't scale in any way to that tug of war, and nobody on calc side of things agrees either since no feat on his page mentions the tug of war feat.

 

[Theglassman12]

@ByArrow Not the same logic when again you've admitted that Hunters have demonic essence in them.

Coolio, and do they have the same types of effects that trevor's whip does or no?

Did you mean Netflix Castlevania verse here? Also no the night creatures are literal human souls sprung into other bodies that just happen to stem from hell itself, them being somewhat tied to demonic nature makes them susceptible enough to the holy whip.

And trevor isn't tied to anything demonic or darkness related in the first place, he doesn't have some demonic ties with his bloodline so this comparison makes no sense.

And where's the proof of that? I'd like to see it.

@FireSwordHero Most fights also don't cover someone who's bloodline is tied to something demonic in nature so you're point being?

You're just repeating the same argument over and over again at this point, can you bring something new here because I've already addressed the whole "she isn't affected" part.

The whip is a ranged weapon, so is his knives and other weapons he carries with him. Especially when the whip gives him so much versatility in combat like redirecting it to attack someone's blind spot or tie someone down among many other things, a crossbow isn't helping Buffy here unless she can pull some insane stuff with the crossbow. You keep saying it's one of the many advantages here while I've been explaining why it's a moot point when not only does Trevor have combat experience against folks with ranged weapon but he himself has a far better ranged weapon with the whip, so unless you can bring up something buffy can do with the crossbow that trevor can't counter, this point is moot.

Cool, so you accept that Alucard has resistance to it, meaning Buffy's arguments of resisting holy powers (assuming they're legit in the first place) wouldn't really help her in the long run.

Trevor not only got some hits in but was able to dodge his attacks when he was trying to rip apart his throat, this was while both Sypha and Alucard was still recovering from their blows, so yes experience means jack shit here when Trevor can keep up with someone far older than him. Factor in the vampires he fights in season 4, one of which is a massive war veteran and another is a spirit who existed since the dawn of life itself, Buffy having the experience edge won't mean shit since Trevor knows how to adapt to the situation and catch his opponents off guard. No he wouldn't be losing to Buffy just as hard since Buffy doesn't stat stomp trevor to hell and back, one's completely different than the other.

I've already addressed this, bring a new argument to the table.

The calc is still accepted and applied to the pages/verse my guy, the fact Trevor is about as strong of a hunter if not stronger than Sypha given his bloodline of hunting, on top of having far more of a dangerous presence than the speakers tells us volumes with trevor's scaling. This sounds more like you're just complaining about the page format more than the actual feat cause he still scales to 9-A with those two feats at the end of the day.

 

[FireSwordHero]

Most fights also don't cover someone who's bloodline is tied to something demonic in nature so you're point being?

That Buffy isn't affected by Holy Weaponry so you can't claim that Trevor's whip could affect her the same way a demon does. The fact that Buffy can carry around holy artifacts/weapons on her regularly apparently means jack to you because your points hinge on the fact that 'hur de dur Slayer's came to be because of demons so the whip should hurt buffy lmao"

You're just repeating the same argument over and over again at this point, can you bring something new here because I've already addressed the whole "she isn't affected" part.

So are you, and you haven't proved anything either. Sure, Slayer magic was once demonic in nature, but that doesn't prove the whip can hurt Buffy, the fact that Buffy can carry Holy weapons without being hurt should imply that Holy weapons don't work on her like vampires or demons.

The whip is a ranged weapon, so is his knives and other weapons he carries with him.

Trevor Range: Extended Melee Range normally, Tens of Meters with his whip.

Buffy Range: Standard Melee Range; Extended Melee Range with weapons; Several Dozen Meters with crossbows and thrown weapons

Who are you trying to convince?

Especially when the whip gives him so much versatility in combat like redirecting it to attack someone's blind spot or tie someone down among many other things, a crossbow isn't helping Buffy here unless she can pull some insane stuff with the crossbow.

Fair point about the whip, but here's a scan showing Buffy shooting a fly out of the air by shooting a needle out of her mouth. Very casually done I might add.

Sure, it's not 1:1 with a crossbow, but factor in that Buffy's THOUSANDS of years of experience from previous slayers (most of which likely used crossbows before) and that Buffy is already shown to be capable with that weapon, and it's safe to say that Buffy would have significant skill with a crossbow.

You keep saying it's one of the many advantages here while I've been explaining why it's a moot point when not only does Trevor have combat experience against folks with ranged weapon but he himself has a far better ranged weapon with the whip, so unless you can bring up something buffy can do with the crossbow that trevor can't counter, this point is moot.

Again, here's the same scan again.

Cool, so you accept that Alucard has resistance to it, meaning Buffy's arguments of resisting holy powers (assuming they're legit in the first place) wouldn't really help her in the long run.

I was saying that in regards to the fact Alucard himself wasn't really affected by the whip. Alucard is part vampire so he logically could be affected by it. Buffy's powers WERE originally demonic related due to the First Slayer, but Buffy wielding holy weapons show's that now longer the case or that the Slayer lineage has adapted to it, assuming that Holy weapons even affected Slayers in the first place.

Trevor not only got some hits in but was able to dodge his attacks when he was trying to rip apart his throat, this was while both Sypha and Alucard was still recovering from their blows, so yes experience means jack shit here when Trevor can keep up with someone far older than him.

Dude, Dracula was already weakened by being stabbed just a moment ago, and its literally one scene of Trevor dodging a few claw swipes, there's nothing to suggest that somehow makes Trevor scale in any regard to Dracula in terms of experience.

Factor in the vampires he fights in season 4, one of which is a massive war veteran and another is a spirit who existed since the dawn of life itself, Buffy having the experience edge won't mean shit since Trevor knows how to adapt to the situation and catch his opponents off guard.

Again, this is season 4 trevor, not season 1,2 and 3.

No he wouldn't be losing to Buffy just as hard since Buffy doesn't stat stomp trevor to hell and back, one's completely different than the other.

It would be a stomp in terms of experience. Not to mention Buffy's superior in terms of AP...LS....weapony....range...need I go on?

I've already addressed this, bring a new argument to the table.

So should you, your arguments proves in no way shape or form that Buffy would be affected by the whip, except for one fringe arguement

The calc is still accepted and applied to the pages/verse my guy, the fact Trevor is about as strong of a hunter if not stronger than Sypha given his bloodline of hunting, on top of having far more of a dangerous presence than the speakers tells us volumes with trevor's scaling. This sounds more like you're just complaining about the page format more than the actual feat cause he still scales to 9-A with those two feats at the end of the day.

I don't see the feat on the page, but whatever lets say that Trevor does scale to it

Buffy scales above 0.0523653585 Tons of TNT, since she upscales from another character

Trevor scales above 0.034 Tons of TNT.

Even if both upscale, Buffy still takes the advantage.

 

[Theglassman12]

@FireSwordHero And yet she lacks the resistance towards the holy weapons that trevor's whip can deal with, plus again these "demons" are literally human souls shoved into a body that has some ties to demonic powers through devil forgemaster magic. Something not that different from Buffy's lineage so yes I'd argue she qualifies as someone demonic that trevor's whip can affect easily.

And so is devil forgemastering when all it does is shove a human soul into a body, a human into a human, and the main thing is just some demonic touch to them with devil forgemaster magic and yet they're still effected by the whip's powers. If Slayer magic is demonic in nature then by definition they're susceptible to trevor's holy whip unless you can prove she can resist that kind of holy power.

What exactly is this supposed to prove? Cause again trevor can fight just as efficiently in ranged combat as he does in melee with that whip, saying she has more range isn't really helping when he can close the distance, so your main argument is she has to keep running away and shooting, which is something Trevor can deal with easily as he's fought night creatures and humans with ranged attacks in the first place. Nice, you have the needle feat, is there anything else that makes her extremely versatile with a crossbow that she can combat trevor's combat prowess with a whip? Again he can redirect the whip with a flick of his finger, tie people up, lasso them into the ground, target specific body parts or even wrap them up in close quarters to trip them (these two he was basically having a hangover since he drunk a lot the previous night which makes his precision with the whip even more impressive).

If Alucard was affected by the whip his body would've exploded in some way shape or form like literally every other vampire in the show, but he didn't, so he's just flat out immune to its powers.

He still held his own against Dracula on his own and without Sypha and Alucard's help so your point here is moot.

Season 4 was barely a month after the events of season 3, plus he never had training in between the seasons and he was constantly fighting night and day with little to no rest so the argument still stands that he's consistently kept up with beings far older and more experienced than him.

AP an LS isn't a factor when not only are they not that big of a gap but Alucard had a far bigger AP and LS gap with trevor, and yet Trevor's able to keep up with him rather easily despite the stat disadvantage, again not a point against trevor here. Range again, not really a big factor when this isn't on the level of sniping him across an entire country. This is a gap he can close easily so yeah, not really convinced by the range argument here, especially weaponry when Trevor's got his own assortment of weapons that he can utilize with skill.

You mean the part with the night creatures being no different than the slayers? Because you haven't really done much to refute this point.

A slight advantage that means jack shit, again Trevor fought Alucard, who's far stronger than him in both AP and LS and he was able to hold his own. Bring something else to the table because you're just bringing up stuff trevor has had combat experience against.

 

[ByArrow]

@ByArrow Not the same logic when again you've admitted that Hunters have demonic essence in them.

No, I didn't say that Slayers have demonic essence, I said that the First Slayer gained powers using demonic essence. And again, Slayers are not demonic. Slayer essence is not demonic.

Coolio, and do they have the same types of effects that trevor's whip does or no?

Yes, they have the same types of effects.

Did you mean Netflix Castlevania verse here? Also no the night creatures are literal human souls sprung into other bodies that just happen to stem from hell itself, them being somewhat tied to demonic nature makes them susceptible enough to the holy whip.

No, I mean the buffyverse. So all humans are affected by the whip?

And trevor isn't tied to anything demonic or darkness related in the first place, he doesn't have some demonic ties with his bloodline so this comparison makes no sense.

Simple logic. Isn't Trevor a human being? Isn't every human being related to the same ancestor at some point? If one of these human beings comes into contact with something demonic, all human beings have demonic in their bloodline because they all have the same ancestor at some point. That means all human beings would be affected by the whip. It means Trevor would be affected.

Also, Trevor's profile says it only affects night creatures, not those who at some point in their bloodline had something demonic. And again, Slayers are not demonic. Slayer essence is not demonic.

The whip is deadly against creatures of the night only because it is consecrated. And Buffy carries and use holy/consecrated items. And holy things don't affect her

And where's the proof of that? I'd like to see it.

When Willow touched the essence of the Slayers with the Scythe, her eyes didn't darken or her hair didn't turn black, as it did when she touched the black magic and the demonic essence, but the opposite happened. She glowed with white light. If the Slayer essence was evil, Willow would have turned into Dark Willow. But she didn't because the Slayers' essence is not evil.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

I keep hearing this weird "She's human so she can't be affected even with demonic blood". Mind as well consider DMC hybrids automatically resistant to holy magic despite having demonic blood. Like I'm pretty sure the whip works if there is smth demonic be it humanoid or ugly. Night creatures are essentially human souls from hell given an ugly makeover so really its no different other than one is a hot female and the other is an ugly one.

I also see Buffy with her crossbows but this begs the question if this is IN-character for her to open with arrow spam. And Im pretty sure reloading is a thing for crossbows.

AP is negligible with how close it is anyway. And more experienced opponents are smth Trevor has fought already so its again negligible.

Overall I'm not seeing how being human would stop the whip's ability to just combust and do what it does if the target has a demonic linage. So I'm gonna with Trevor FRA.

 

[ByArrow]

I keep hearing this weird "She's human so she can't be affected even with demonic blood". Mind as well consider DMC hybrids automatically resistant to holy magic despite having demonic blood. Like I'm pretty sure the whip works if there is smth demonic be it humanoid or ugly. Night creatures are essentially human souls from hell given an ugly makeover so really its no different other than one is a hot female and the other is an ugly one.

What are you talking about?

Overall I'm not seeing how being human would stop the whip's ability to just combust and do what it does if the target has a demonic linage. So I'm gonna with Trevor FRA.

As I said before, Slayers don't have demonic lineage. The essence of Slayers is not demonic.

When Willow touched the essence of the Slayers with the Scythe, her eyes didn't darken or her hair didn't turn black, as it did when she touched the black magic and the demonic essence, but the opposite happened. She glowed with white light. If the Slayer essence was evil, Willow would have turned into Dark Willow. But she didn't because the Slayers' essence is not evil.

The whip affects creatures of the night because it is a blessed weapon. And is Buffy affected by blessed weapons? No. She carries holy thing with her at all times. And she uses blessed weapons.

AP is negligible with how close it is anyway. And more experienced opponents are smth Trevor has fought already so its again negligible.

No, the experience gap is not insignificant. The experience gap is too huge to be insignificant.

The opponents Trevor faces are not as experienced as Buffy. For example, Dracula is over 400 years old(not even 1000). Did Dracula spend all of those 400-odd years of his life, every day, fighting opponents as strong or stronger than him? No, he didn't.

But the Slayers did. They fought against evil every day for thousands of years, non-stop. against beings far more powerful than themselves. And the moment they died, another Slayer took over and carried on. And it continued every day for thousands of years. And when each of the Slayers became a Slayer, those thousands of years of history flowed directly into them. Slayers have lived through these thousands of years of history. The opponents that Trevor faces don't have that level of experience.

 

[Stillwinston]

So I've kinda mentally checked out here but I think its two votes for Trevor and two for Buff?

 

[Theglassman12]

4 for Trevor (Me, Redgrave, Lightning and Athe1412), 2 for Buffy (FireSword and ByArrow)