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Hello, this'll be my second to last CRT for Trigun, and after this it'll be the speed section. For that I still need several calculations made for the speed, so instead I'll tackle the AP & tiering portion despite it being perhaps the most controversial CRT of the verse.
New tiers and scaling
Now this is where the fun starts!
5-B should be removed, yes the Angel Arm is stated to be able to blow the planet up, however there's some issues here.
1: The size of Gunsmoke is many times bigger than the Earth, the Planet has several moons that are bigger than Ark Knives who has type 4-5 Large size. However the issue is that unless we have a calc to determine the size of Gunsmoke / No Man's Land then we can't find a proper value and using the size of Earth is also inherently wrong.
2: The Angel Arm doesn't have a lot of use in the verse and is ultimately seen as something that isn't very important in the later arcs due them having scaling that'll yield way above tier 5. There's a reason why Plants like Knives don't even use the Angel Arm and instead uses his hax abilities and the energy of hundreds of comparable Plants.
I'd say the only 5-B scaling for them should be their base forms since the Angel Arm isn't much of a transformation but rather a weapon they can use at any time, and they can tank the recoil of the Blast.
Now we get into the spicy part of the CRT! What tier should Knives and Vash be?
Knives and Vash should be scaled to either Low 4-C, possibly higher or Low 2-C. Yes you heard me correctly.
The Evidence for said tiers.
Yet again, this is controversial but still straightforward enough. We're outright given many statements of these 2 being vastly above tier 5.
Knives and his energy are directly stated to be superior to the energy of a star. If a Star contained the amount of energy Knives contains then the Star would simply burn out. Meaning even stars can't contain Knives's vast pool of energy without dying.
Knives without even attacking was causing stars to shake, and Knives was going to "swallow" the stars.
Knives is stated to be an intergalactic threat to the entire milky way galaxy. Humans in Trigun have colonized the entire Milky Way Galaxy and are advanced enough to create the highest level of heat ever recorded in Reality, and are capable of travel between galaxies. Knives's existence alone is a threat to everyone in the Milky Way Galaxy, and before you say this is done by planet busting I'd say no.
The Angel Arm is capable of busting large planets like Gunsmoke in one shot and Knives doesn't even utilize it anymore. His range, power and speed increased dramatically to the point where he doesn't even consider using the Canon anymore. That being said, it's clear that this statement isn't referring to overtime destruction.
Next is Low 2-C Justifications. In Trigun the Lost Plant, there is a newborn Plant who is stated to be able to destroy the universe and recreate the Big Bang to make a new Universe as a whole. Vash ends up sniping this new Plant to an empty sub-space, where it proceeded to do exactly what it said. Also Plants manipulate Space-Time on a 4-D scale so this explosion would have also created a Universal+ Space-Time.
2 things to note for scaling here, Vash was able to overpower this Low 2-C Black Hole with his own Black Hole Bullets casually, then said Plant is directly stated to be special like Vash and Knives, both of who are the only completely Independent Plants in the verse barring the new Plant in this Manga. Independent Plants are the strongest Plants in the verse, and there are 3 in existence. Vash, Knives and this one.
And there's also the fact that Knives wanted to effect the entire Universe, not just the planet.
TL;DR: Vash and Knives are in need for some serious upgrades. At bare minimum they should be High 4-C and have Low 2-C scaling options. Ark Knives remains the strongest character in verse due to him absorbing hundreds to possibly thousands of other Plants.
New tiers and scaling
Now this is where the fun starts!
5-B should be removed, yes the Angel Arm is stated to be able to blow the planet up, however there's some issues here.
1: The size of Gunsmoke is many times bigger than the Earth, the Planet has several moons that are bigger than Ark Knives who has type 4-5 Large size. However the issue is that unless we have a calc to determine the size of Gunsmoke / No Man's Land then we can't find a proper value and using the size of Earth is also inherently wrong.
2: The Angel Arm doesn't have a lot of use in the verse and is ultimately seen as something that isn't very important in the later arcs due them having scaling that'll yield way above tier 5. There's a reason why Plants like Knives don't even use the Angel Arm and instead uses his hax abilities and the energy of hundreds of comparable Plants.
I'd say the only 5-B scaling for them should be their base forms since the Angel Arm isn't much of a transformation but rather a weapon they can use at any time, and they can tank the recoil of the Blast.
Now we get into the spicy part of the CRT! What tier should Knives and Vash be?
Knives and Vash should be scaled to either Low 4-C, possibly higher or Low 2-C. Yes you heard me correctly.
The Evidence for said tiers.
Yet again, this is controversial but still straightforward enough. We're outright given many statements of these 2 being vastly above tier 5.
Knives and his energy are directly stated to be superior to the energy of a star. If a Star contained the amount of energy Knives contains then the Star would simply burn out. Meaning even stars can't contain Knives's vast pool of energy without dying.
Knives without even attacking was causing stars to shake, and Knives was going to "swallow" the stars.
Knives is stated to be an intergalactic threat to the entire milky way galaxy. Humans in Trigun have colonized the entire Milky Way Galaxy and are advanced enough to create the highest level of heat ever recorded in Reality, and are capable of travel between galaxies. Knives's existence alone is a threat to everyone in the Milky Way Galaxy, and before you say this is done by planet busting I'd say no.
The Angel Arm is capable of busting large planets like Gunsmoke in one shot and Knives doesn't even utilize it anymore. His range, power and speed increased dramatically to the point where he doesn't even consider using the Canon anymore. That being said, it's clear that this statement isn't referring to overtime destruction.
Next is Low 2-C Justifications. In Trigun the Lost Plant, there is a newborn Plant who is stated to be able to destroy the universe and recreate the Big Bang to make a new Universe as a whole. Vash ends up sniping this new Plant to an empty sub-space, where it proceeded to do exactly what it said. Also Plants manipulate Space-Time on a 4-D scale so this explosion would have also created a Universal+ Space-Time.
2 things to note for scaling here, Vash was able to overpower this Low 2-C Black Hole with his own Black Hole Bullets casually, then said Plant is directly stated to be special like Vash and Knives, both of who are the only completely Independent Plants in the verse barring the new Plant in this Manga. Independent Plants are the strongest Plants in the verse, and there are 3 in existence. Vash, Knives and this one.
And there's also the fact that Knives wanted to effect the entire Universe, not just the planet.
TL;DR: Vash and Knives are in need for some serious upgrades. At bare minimum they should be High 4-C and have Low 2-C scaling options. Ark Knives remains the strongest character in verse due to him absorbing hundreds to possibly thousands of other Plants.
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