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Transformers General Discussion

Would this count as a feat for the game version of Bayverse Optimus?



Optimus straight up pushes Fallen and himself into the Star Harvester beam, cancellimg the beam out and destroyng the Harvester. Optimus survives, Fallen dies. The resultant explosion also shakes the ground for kilometers/miles/whatever around. In this game, it looks like Star Harvester isn't a star one shotting weapon, it seems to be a process.



(Also, in the same timestamp in the above video, Fallen seems to no sell the Star Harvester firing, which sends a massive shockwave for kilometers or miles around. He was right there as it fired).

It goes without saying but when the Star Harvester was activated, it would have shortly destroyed the sun and Earth if it wasn't destroyed fast.

Says so in the beginning of the video.
 
Titan Magazines AOE comic Allspark statememt:

Optimus says Allspark can change the nature of the universe. Does this mean anything?
Titan mag scan

Using Allspark's power, Wheeljack relativistically "warps space time in 17 dimensions within a tolerance of 3 microns" with a machine he designed to teleport a star towards Cybertron for the planet to orbit.

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It seems the dimensions are dimensions like 3d, 4d etc. since this is a reference to Sam's rambling from ROTF.

"Just finished your book and There's only one problem. Einstein's wrong.

Energy does equal mass times the velocity of light squared in this dimension, but what about the other 17? We haven't
even talked about the other 17. Clear example. Break down the elemental components
of Energon, assume a constant decay rate and extrapolate for each of the... Fourteen galactic convergences it took the Sentinel Prime expedition to receive an... Echo on its signal, you wind up with a formula for inter-dimensional energy increase that mass and light alone can't possibly explain."

Do these mean anything?

Also, in Nefarious, the creators of a replica Allspark says that it is unstable and can destroy Earth, and likely much of the solar system. Optimus says that it is but a pale shadow of the original Allspark. So, AllSpark is likely solar system+ at least.

In the first movie, Optimus said Allspark existed before time began. IDK if that counts, or if it is retconned by AOE/TLK (those two leave the backstory/lore pretty vague though. I mean, Allspark is not mentioned even once in either of them. So, the timeless cube statement may not condradict them). Not sure if the statement was literal or not though.
 
The first and Wheeljack scans would be Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, possibly Physics Manipulation too.

Destroying much of the solar system is probably Star level (destroying Venus from Earth with an explosion gets this result) or Large Star level, and the OG AllSpark would be unquantifiable.

For reference, the gap between baseline Solar System level (the minimum energy required to fully destroy a solar system) and Solar System level+ is about 400 billion.
 
ByAsura said:
The first and Wheeljack scans would be Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation and Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, possibly Physics Manipulation too.

Destroying much of the solar system is probably Star level (destroying Venus from Earth with an explosion gets this result) or Large Star level, and the OG AllSpark would be unquantifiable. For reference, the gap between baseline Solar System level (the minimum energy required to fully destroy a solar system) and Solar System level+ is about 400 billion.
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Hmm, in the first movie (which is canon to the comics), Megatron's body survived the energies of Allspark. The AllSpark energy was almost completely absorbed to his body, to the point that the cube was destroyed. Would Megatron's body scale to this in your opinion? He was largely intact besides the destroyed spark. It might be an outlier tho admittedly.
 
I'd say it's because the AllSpark was channelled into one human-sized blast. But a more accurate interpretation would be that Michael Bay didn't think it was a planet-destroying super weapon when he made the film in 2007, just that its power could heal Cybertron.
 
ByAsura said:
I'd say it's because the AllSpark was channelled into one human-sized blast. But a more accurate interpretation would be that Michael Bay didn't think it was a planet-destroying super weapon when he made the film in 2007, just that its power could heal Cybertron.
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So what do we rate the Allspark at?
 
Probably Unknown for the movies. The Titan/IDW Comics one could easily be Large Star level given that it needs the power of stars as a fuel source, terraformed Cybertron (in DotM it's far larger than Earth), and is far superior to that fake AllSpark.
 
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Would Titan Comics work with the Games? Because if so, we might actually need a Key for the Allspark Amped Megatron and Starscream that Create-A-Bot fights.
 
ByAsura said:
I'd say it's because the AllSpark was channelled into one human-sized blast. But a more accurate interpretation would be that Michael Bay didn't think it was a planet-destroying super weapon when he made the film in 2007, just that its power could heal Cybertron.
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The energy does seem to surge through his whole body.



Optimus also did say in the 2007 movie that the cube existed before time began. Also that it hold the power to create worlds and fill them with life. Ratchet said that it was raw power. So it is supposes to be pretty powerdul in the movie too tbh.

Though I might be wanking with this one.
 
If that's the case, then it's a definite outlier. Megatron and the other Transformers have been harmed by missiles and human weapons.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would Titan Comics work with the Games? Because if so, we might actually need a Key for the Allspark Amped Megatron and Starscream that Create-A-Bot fights.
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Probably not.
ByAsura said:
If that's the case, then it's a definite outlier. Megatron and the other Transformers have been harmed by missiles and human weapons.
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They did say that that was because TFs armor reacted to high heat. Before using sabot rounds, they couldn't seem to damage Scorponok armor using other shells and missiles.



Deceptixon armor also can no sell reentry, so there'a that.

Dialogue stated that grenade launchers were fitted with sabot rounds for the final battle. Also, gunships too. There were no gunships in the final battle, but I am guessing F-22s were fitted with them since that dialogue would be unnecessary otherwise.
 
I think the 17 dimensions thing relates more to the cosmology of the multi verse and stuff rather than the allspark. But hyperverse transformers got thrown out due to lack of context for the dimensions and stuff
 
ByAsura said:
If that's the case, then it's a definite outlier. Megatron and the other Transformers have been harmed by missiles and human weapons.
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On another note, in ROTF, in regards to Decepticon protoform meteors hitting Earth, this is stated in a dialogue:

"Negative. NORAD confirmed, projectile came from beyond our
atmosphere, inbound at 30,000 knots."

30000 knots = Mach 46.

Could this mean Protoforms hit Earth at that space, or did they slow down?
 
Planet level still doesn't make a lot of sense.

I was planning to bring that 30,000 knots quote up some time. It was brought to my attention in a previous thread. I don't know if they slowed down, but I could check the novels.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I think the 17 dimensions thing relates more to the cosmology of the multi verse and stuff rather than the allspark. But hyperverse transformers got thrown out due to lack of context for the dimensions and stuff
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I can't say for sure, but it seemed Sam's dialogue was about dimensions as in 2d, 3d etc, considering that they were numbered akin to such stuff (there being 18 dimensions I mean). Though he may have meant alternate dimensions as well I guess.
 
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ByAsura said:
Planet level still doesn't make a lot of sense. And rounds that aren't extremely hot have killed other Transformers in Dark of the Moon.
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True, the planet thing may not make sense. As I said, I might be wanking, so there's that.

I'm guessing they upgraded their weaponry or whatever. Not much attention seemed to have been made into making sabot rounda look like sabot rounds.



I'm not a gun expert, but it seems that those 40mm sabot rounds (Simmons calls then that) look like grenades. Also, IMDB says that there are no 40mm aabots in real life.
 
I seem to recall someone mentioning there being High 6-A - 5-B stuff in the Bayverse comics, but it wouldn’t scale to the actual movies so meh.
 
> Planet level still doesn't make a lot of sense.

For the Allspark? Why is that? It has the Statements and such.
 
OK. What about Allspark Amped Megatron and Starscream? I'm pretty sure the statement about the Allspark creating worlds and such still exists in the games too.
 
Creating worlds could just mean High 6-A. It's implied the allspark crashee onto Cybertron and created life from there
 
No but seriously, I'm genuinely wandering how much of the Allspark's Power they used to amp themselves if it can create worlds.
 
About the reentry hits, ROTF novel says that the meteors were moving so fast that they barely registered on a few scattered monitors and telescopes. It is said that even if they were noticed and their vectors plotted sooner, there wouldn't be anything to be done to stop them. It was so fast that no one onboard the battleship even saw what struck the ship. This was Megatron, and his impact ripped the battleship in half all by himself in the novel. Nothing is said about slowing down.

Paris scene:

"Coming in at a much less acute angle, the second metal orb streaked past the Eiffel tower and without slowing, sheared off the top of a building before splashing into the Seine."

The 30000 knots scene is expanded upon. Central Command said that they realized it wasn't a metworite by last second ranging.

Seems to be nothing said about slowing down. Megatron gained a feat as he ripped a battleship by himself when he slammed. And he was enjoying the show seconds later, so it does not appear that he was hurt by it.
 
Not sure if AllSpark amp would mean planetary. I mean AllSpark power is somewhat vague. We don't know how long it took, or what ir actually means exactly. It is possibly implied planetary, but as I said, somewhat vague.

Does Optimus scale to the Star Harvesrer in this book?

TFWiki summary for ROTF junior novel:

Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel - Transformers Wiki

tfwiki.net tfwiki.net

"With the Decepticons gathered around the harvester, Simmons signals the USS Roosevelt to fire its rail gun towards them. Devastator is rent apart by the weapon, but the harvester manages to fire off as well. Thankfully, Optimus blocks the beam, sending it raining back down on the remaining Decepticons. The Fallen attempts to use his supernatural abilities to destroy Optimus only to find that, as a Prime, Optimus is immune to his powers. Megatron and Starscream flee as Optimus rips apart the harvester, and uses the pieces to bludgeon The Fallen. Then, retrieving the Matrix, Optimus uses it to open a wormhole to "a place where no one will hear from the Fallen ever again," and flings his foe into it."
 
Yep, I guess. Extended universe Optimus seems a lot more op (heh) than canon bayverse Optimus
 
I guess that would need multiple keys in itself.

The IDW, Titan comics and games all seem to be worthy of their own profiles.
 
What's funny is that Optimus briefly has the Allspark amp as well when he uses it to destroy Megatron in the Autobot DS Game.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Would the Games be included in Extended Universe? Because that would make things more interesting.
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In the 2007 PSP game, Hound'a body survived an explosion visiblw from space. He died however. He was on tbe exploding dish.

However, the buildings appeared to be fine, so maybe it is not literal, IDK.

 
In DOTM game, Megatron could dodge Warpath's tank round point blank.

In the PS2 ROTF game, his special move involved him somewhat statuing gravity.
 
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