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I don't know if this counts or not, but Rachet 1v1'd Blackout and killed him in the Autobot 2007 DS Game.
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Transformers General Discussion
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Ask Drite, he’s the one that originally brought it up. And Starscream isn’t that much weaker than Megatron, considering that he could harm Optimus in the forest.
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That probably only accounts for the DS game. Ratchet fighting megs seems fine I guess
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Games definitely don’t scale to movies. Especially considering that Blackout and Starscream are mostly on par, and Ratchet is beneath Screamer.
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Now that's done. For AP. I used the weight that was from the guides, mainly Optimus who is 4.2 metric tons and 9.1 metric tons for the fallen, and mach 45 instead of 11000 m/s, we get 259.079827915869998 tons for the fallen and 119.57504780114722 for Optimus, 8-A.
Is there anyone willing to calc the feats from the movies, because I doubt all characters scale to 8-A.
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So they end up back where they were before they got bumped to Low 7-C.
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Yup.
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It's alright.
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Alright, so we have 219 Ton The Fallen and Jetfire Prime is superior to him. Noticeably so in fact, because Prime literally tore him apart and punched straight through his Chest like he was on some DBZ Shit and then Crushed his Heart/Spark on some MK Shit.
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where is 219 tons from?
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My bad, I was looking at what you put earlier when you said The Fallen would be 259 Tons.
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In Veiled Threat (which takes place between the first movie and ROTF), it is said that USA and Israel, working in conjuction with Ironhide, developed a new type of sabot round. Presumably, that's what the humans were using in ROTF. At least in the IDW/novelverse.
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So I read the rising storm and reign of sat scream, and the feats are kind ataken out of context.
Firstly took a ship to earth, and didn't go to it by himself. The ship presumably was destroyed, causing Tunguska, and shockwave got knocked. So shockwave doesn't scale to it. It's like trying to scale a driver to his car in a car crash.
Secondly, starscream escapes and teleports with dreadwing. The one that escapes is actually thundercracker, and it's likely thundercracker escaped the explosion just in time rather then escape it, as he isn't that above the other characters who died explosion. Also, there's no way starscream could've travelled all the way from Cybertron to Mars in just a few seconds
Firstly took a ship to earth, and didn't go to it by himself. The ship presumably was destroyed, causing Tunguska, and shockwave got knocked. So shockwave doesn't scale to it. It's like trying to scale a driver to his car in a car crash.
Secondly, starscream escapes and teleports with dreadwing. The one that escapes is actually thundercracker, and it's likely thundercracker escaped the explosion just in time rather then escape it, as he isn't that above the other characters who died explosion. Also, there's no way starscream could've travelled all the way from Cybertron to Mars in just a few seconds
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Regarding Rising Storm, while he does board a ship, there is no trace of the ship after the impact, unless the big metal ship is literally vaporized, and SW himself is at the epicenter of the impact.
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In ROS, the ship itself was teleported to Mars (It landed on a Space Bridge), and Starscream was inside the ship. He was inside the explosion. Where do you think all the debris on Mars comes from? You can even see the ship debris come out of the portal, with some debris from the falling portal knocking out the Space Bridge on Mars.
Only Dreadwing teleports.
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The how does starscream even appear there? He isn't that fast. The only way he could've made it is if he teleported as well. It's likely dread wind's ship crashed
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Starscream was teleported along with the debris.
On panel, it is clear that only Dreadwing himself teleports as only he takes a purpleish shape (meant to show teleportation effect), while Starscream doesn't have it at all.
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You can even make out Starscream's hand in the teleported Nemesis debris on Mars while Dreadwing just arrived.
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Clearly Dreadwing teleported on his own without SS.
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As in, SS was inside the exploding ship.
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He escaped the explosion in time, but he didn't tank it directly.
I meant the exploding city
I meant the exploding city
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I think I could let the shockwave thing pass tho. As we see no trace of the ship, and we let the pod thing from the bbb movie slide, so Tunguska could be fine. It could have a "Possibly 7-B"
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As I said, he was inside the ship, and he Couldn't even finish his sentence before the ship exploded. And in the last panel of the last scan I posted, you can make out SS's hand in the debris, further showings that he didn't escape at all.
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The point is that he had escaped the city exploding, so he doesn't scale to city's destruction. I'm not saying he didn't survive the ship's destruction
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Read the ending of the comic again, Nemesis falling on the city is what causes the city's destruction (as I said, SS was inside the ship as the ship exploded), but because the Space Bridge was activated to teleport the ship away moments before, the destroyed debris of the ship was teleported to Mars moments after its destruction. Again, the ship debris was teleported AFTER the ship already exploded with SS in it.
The sole reason the city exploded in the first place is because the ship crashed on it.
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It's a chain reaction. Dread wind's escapes > ship explodes and starscream manages to escape along with ship debris > then city explodes because the destruction of the space bridge causes the destruction of the city
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The ship is in the middle of the explosion in the last panel of the first scan. SS was inside it at that moment.
In the second scan, the portal closes after the explosion already destroyed the city. The explosion itself is absorbed after the city is already destroyed.
No evidence that there were two seperate explosions for the ship and the Space Bridge. It is all one big boom.
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Fair point, but still, the fact that starscream was inside the ship meaning he was somewhat protected even if the ship torn apart.
In that same and other comics, starscream and other characters like him could be harmed by weapons far weaker than 7-B, and it's likely the explosion is much larger than 7-B as Cybertronian cities dwarves human ones.
Also, the fact, shockwave, who is much stronger than starscream, was in stasis after crashing in his spaceship. Mean it's likely starscream does not scale to 7-B
In that same and other comics, starscream and other characters like him could be harmed by weapons far weaker than 7-B, and it's likely the explosion is much larger than 7-B as Cybertronian cities dwarves human ones.
Also, the fact, shockwave, who is much stronger than starscream, was in stasis after crashing in his spaceship. Mean it's likely starscream does not scale to 7-B
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