Transformers General Discussion

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I don't know if this counts or not, but Rachet 1v1'd Blackout and killed him in the Autobot 2007 DS Game.

 

[LordTracer]

Ask Drite, he’s the one that originally brought it up. And Starscream isn’t that much weaker than Megatron, considering that he could harm Optimus in the forest.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That probably only accounts for the DS game. Ratchet fighting megs seems fine I guess

 

[LordTracer]

I don't know if this counts or not, but Rachet 1v1'd Blackout and killed him in the Autobot 2007 DS Game.

Games definitely don’t scale to movies. Especially considering that Blackout and Starscream are mostly on par, and Ratchet is beneath Screamer.

 

[Drite77]

Its from this guide, said guide states that Ratchet is the only one who could give Megatron a decent fight before being ultimately killed

 

[Drite77]

Written by goo' ol' Furman

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Written by goo' ol' Furman

Author of Energon Enema

 

[Drite77]

I feel like I am the only one who finds Furman overrated

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I feel like I am the only one who finds Furman overrated

Not just you lol

Now that's done. For AP. I used the weight that was from the guides, mainly Optimus who is 4.2 metric tons and 9.1 metric tons for the fallen, and mach 45 instead of 11000 m/s, we get 259.079827915869998 tons for the fallen and 119.57504780114722 for Optimus, 8-A.

Is there anyone willing to calc the feats from the movies, because I doubt all characters scale to 8-A.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So they end up back where they were before they got bumped to Low 7-C.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yup.

 

[Drite77]

Is mach 45 stated anywhere btw?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Decepticons launch at Mach 45

 

[Drite77]

Ya know, my PC doesn't have sound so I'll just agree with it. Being honest, Mach 45 its just a little bit over 15000 m/s, and 11k m/s its the bare minimum for meteors, some can go even above 100k m/s

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Well, mach 45 is what was said.

Could you do some of the calcs? Posted them here

 

[Drite77]

There is 3 feats in priority asked there, not saying I'll calc all of them, but they were posted first, also tomorrow I'll watch some CSGO matches so it'll likely take a while

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's alright.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Alright, so we have 219 Ton The Fallen and Jetfire Prime is superior to him. Noticeably so in fact, because Prime literally tore him apart and punched straight through his Chest like he was on some DBZ Shit and then Crushed his Heart/Spark on some MK Shit.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

where is 219 tons from?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

My bad, I was looking at what you put earlier when you said The Fallen would be 259 Tons.

 

[Primestar3]

In Veiled Threat (which takes place between the first movie and ROTF), it is said that USA and Israel, working in conjuction with Ironhide, developed a new type of sabot round. Presumably, that's what the humans were using in ROTF. At least in the IDW/novelverse.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So I read the rising storm and reign of sat scream, and the feats are kind ataken out of context.

Firstly took a ship to earth, and didn't go to it by himself. The ship presumably was destroyed, causing Tunguska, and shockwave got knocked. So shockwave doesn't scale to it. It's like trying to scale a driver to his car in a car crash.

Secondly, starscream escapes and teleports with dreadwing. The one that escapes is actually thundercracker, and it's likely thundercracker escaped the explosion just in time rather then escape it, as he isn't that above the other characters who died explosion. Also, there's no way starscream could've travelled all the way from Cybertron to Mars in just a few seconds

 

[Drite77]

Never head of Sat Scream, though I do wonder what painfull thing made him sat and than scream

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Sat scream is the heroic commander of the gobots

 

[Primestar3]

So I read the rising storm and reign of sat scream, and the feats are kind ataken out of context.

Firstly took a ship to earth, and didn't go to it by himself. The ship presumably was destroyed, causing Tunguska, and shockwave got knocked. So shockwave doesn't scale to it. It's like trying to scale a driver to his car in a car crash.

Secondly, starscream escapes and teleports with dreadwing. The one that escapes is actually thundercracker, and it's likely thundercracker escaped the explosion just in time rather then escape it, as he isn't that above the other characters who died explosion. Also, there's no way starscream could've travelled all the way from Cybertron to Mars in just a few seconds

Regarding Rising Storm, while he does board a ship, there is no trace of the ship after the impact, unless the big metal ship is literally vaporized, and SW himself is at the epicenter of the impact.

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In ROS, the ship itself was teleported to Mars (It landed on a Space Bridge), and Starscream was inside the ship. He was inside the explosion. Where do you think all the debris on Mars comes from? You can even see the ship debris come out of the portal, with some debris from the falling portal knocking out the Space Bridge on Mars.

Only Dreadwing teleports.

 

[Primestar3]

In the above scan, you can see the Space Bridge activating.

The below scan shows the ship debris teleporting after the explosion.

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[Emirp sumitpo]

The how does starscream even appear there? He isn't that fast. The only way he could've made it is if he teleported as well. It's likely dread wind's ship crashed

 

[Primestar3]

The how does starscream even appear there? He isn't that fast. The only way he could've made it is if he teleported as well. It's likely dread wind's ship crashee

Starscream was teleported along with the debris.

On panel, it is clear that only Dreadwing himself teleports as only he takes a purpleish shape (meant to show teleportation effect), while Starscream doesn't have it at all.
Fourth panel

You can even make out Starscream's hand in the teleported Nemesis debris on Mars while Dreadwing just arrived.

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Clearly Dreadwing teleported on his own without SS.

 

[Primestar3]

As in, SS was inside the exploding ship.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

He escaped the explosion in time, but he didn't tank it directly.

I meant the exploding city

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think I could let the shockwave thing pass tho. As we see no trace of the ship, and we let the pod thing from the bbb movie slide, so Tunguska could be fine. It could have a "Possibly 7-B"

 

[Primestar3]

He escaped the explosion in time, but he didn't tank it directly.

I meant the exploding city

As I said, he was inside the ship, and he Couldn't even finish his sentence before the ship exploded. And in the last panel of the last scan I posted, you can make out SS's hand in the debris, further showings that he didn't escape at all.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

The point is that he had escaped the city exploding, so he doesn't scale to city's destruction. I'm not saying he didn't survive the ship's destruction

 

[Primestar3]

The point is that he had escaped the city exploding, so he doesn't scale to city's destruction. I'm not saying he didn't survive the ship's destruction

Read the ending of the comic again, Nemesis falling on the city is what causes the city's destruction (as I said, SS was inside the ship as the ship exploded), but because the Space Bridge was activated to teleport the ship away moments before, the destroyed debris of the ship was teleported to Mars moments after its destruction. Again, the ship debris was teleported AFTER the ship already exploded with SS in it.

The sole reason the city exploded in the first place is because the ship crashed on it.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It's a chain reaction. Dread wind's escapes > ship explodes and starscream manages to escape along with ship debris > then city explodes because the destruction of the space bridge causes the destruction of the city

 

[Primestar3]

It's a chain reaction. Dread wind's escapes > ship explodes and starscream manages to escape along with ship debris > then city explodes because the destruction of the space bridge causes the destruction of the city

The ship is in the middle of the explosion in the last panel of the first scan. SS was inside it at that moment.

In the second scan, the portal closes after the explosion already destroyed the city. The explosion itself is absorbed after the city is already destroyed.

No evidence that there were two seperate explosions for the ship and the Space Bridge. It is all one big boom.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fair point, but still, the fact that starscream was inside the ship meaning he was somewhat protected even if the ship torn apart.

In that same and other comics, starscream and other characters like him could be harmed by weapons far weaker than 7-B, and it's likely the explosion is much larger than 7-B as Cybertronian cities dwarves human ones.

Also, the fact, shockwave, who is much stronger than starscream, was in stasis after crashing in his spaceship. Mean it's likely starscream does not scale to 7-B

 

[Drite77]

If starscream wasn't at the center (and due to how big he is, I mean loterally) ISL would apply, which would downgrade Scream's feat by quite a while

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

ISL?

 

[Drite77]

Inverse Square Law. Basically if someone is not on the epocenter of a explosion, they really didn't tanked the full thing. I did a calc of someone who was less than 2 meters away, and it went from quite high into 9-A to 9-B