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Transduality Type 3 For Arceus(Original Spirit)
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the normal Multiverse and the Distortion World are inside of a specific duality (existence and nonexistence) which is type 1. That does not prove that the pokémon world is both A and B simultaneously
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are those concepts ever mentioned/explained in the series?
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The two sides thing implies that the overall pokemon world is both (also the Distorting World/Normal Multiverse Duality covers more then just existence/nonexistence). And Arceus's Dimension contains both inside of it so even then it would be both and the same thing would happen here
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even assuming what you said is true, if you don't meet the other requirements it's still not TD 3 (and i disagree with what you said)
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Yes and it does actually include all of them seeing as Giratina represents the opposite
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alright, this proves dualities in the verse but it doesn't prove that A and B are simultaneously True (just because the Pokémon World includes the duality doesn't necessarily mean both are true simultaneously in my point of view)
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not really, existing outside of it has nothing to do with a 5th truth state
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Okay. Let me break it down for you. It seems you don't understand
Primordial Chaos - Neither 1 nor 0. division/distinctions don't exist here. Literally take a good look at Touhou and Scarlet King. It's the damn same thing.
From that came differentiation
Now both are in the Consciousness Of the Spirit.
So A is such that, it predates a state that is neither 1, nor 0, it's not 1 and 2 and it's not a negation of that . It's outside and contains it inside himself.
Literally, Oblivion is the Nothing that precedes Wuji. Same as The Original Spirit
Type 3. Simple as that
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you cannot assume something to exist without any explanation/mention in the series
except Oblivion has blatant mentions of Wuji and other concepts.
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The Pokemon world would be duality which is 0,1 not 0 and 1. You're jumping the gun here
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And it has. Before creation was the Undifferentiated chaos
Primordial Chaos literally as explained as Wuji.
I showed you the definition of Wuji. Wuji is Primordial Chaos so again you're wrong that Pokémon doesn't have it as a concept.
And it's explained. Seriously how many times should I repeat myself
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Normal multiverse=1, distortion world= 0.
Pokemon world as two sides of a coin= 0,1 (duality).
Primordial nothingness exists as oneness bereft of division= both 0 and 1.
The heart then Contains and transcends this which would still be TD 2.
There is no 4th truth state here, the heart is only beyond 3 truth states.
The TD 2 is highly iffy in and of it self considering the scan says "a certain duality"= singular.
We don't just assume a verse has many different dualities.
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I'm not wrong. Pokemon world runs on a system of duality. Duality= 0,1 not 0 and 1.
Primordial chaos is undifferentiation/ indivisible oneness= 0 and 1.
Once again, it also doesn't even mention multiple dualities, it mentions only 1 which would be all its superior to.
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Again. A is such that its it precedes chaos, which is neither 1, nor 0. Nothing absence of any duality. Nondual Nep 2
Lets take the Spirit as A
That is to say, for any statement A about them they are in a state that can't be described as A is true, A is false, A is simultanously true and false or A is neither true nor false. And so they must obey a many-valued logic
Now show me which of the states the Spirit exists in. None
Everything is governed by a certain duality. And he's used the Pokémon world and Primordial Chaos as one example.
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Primordial Chaos is undifferentiation.
It's neither 1 nor 0. Which is why it's also referred to as NOTHING in the verse.
Spirit precedes that and contains it in his mind
He used that, as an example to show that EVERYTHING is governed by a certain duality
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yeah, Duality is {A, B} not both of them simultaneously.
Neither A nor B would be lacking both truth values, the scans clearly show both of them coexisting.
just because it's similar doesn't mean chinese cosmology applies to the verse.
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Don't get why you bolded "everything". "Everything" is not referring to duality, unless your statement was trying to say all duality is governed by a certain duality.
Once again, "a certain duality"= 1 duality which is TD 1 as pain_to12 said
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Arceus says that everything is governed by a certain duality.
And how do you end up interpretating it the way you do it
Plus, the other translations back me up.
Everything is governed by a certain duality. After giving an example in his first sentence. Keep ignoring that
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Even if I were to concede and agree primordial chaos= neither 0 nor 1, you'd still need to have something that's both 0 and 1 to qualify
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duality = {A, B} where B = ¬A. Or in other words they are mutually exclusive in the sense that if A is true then ¬A or B is false and viceversa
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Everything is governed by a certain duality= 1 duality governs everything not Everything has its own duality it's governed by
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You have to exist in a state that is beyond 4 truth states not 3.
You need to be in a state that is beyond both (0 and 1), neither (0 nor 1) to qualify.
Just because you're neither (0 nor 1) doesn't mean you skip the need to be beyond both (0 and 1)
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most of these are not proven, all you've proven is that the Primordial Chaos is both A and B because it is a Nondual state of indivisible Oneness
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do i have to say it again?, unless it's explained in the series we cannot assume Chinese cosmology to apply. Btw you keep ignoring your own scans that clearly say Everything was one and the same which is literally both A and B, your claim is contradicted by your own scans but this keeps going in circles so i guess staff should be called to evaluate this.
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Again. It's Undifferentiated NOTHING.
Everything was one thing. It wasn't 1 and 0. It was NOTHING as mentioned in the game. 1 and 0 isn't there because the boundary seperating object from subject doesn't exist
Look, I'm tired of repeating myself. It was Primordial Chaos where the multiverse wasn't differentiated which is Wuji
