Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

[BeTheWay1rst]

Since you don't know the meaning of the words that you are using i will stop wasting me time talking to you. So, **** off

 

[Arceus0x]

Since you don't know the meaning of the words that you are using i will stop wasting me time talking to you. So, **** off

Bruh I tried making posting images easier for you and everyone else and you reply with this? Do you always reply with agression to things you don't understand?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Bruh I tried making posting images easier for you and everyone else and you reply with this? Do you always reply with agression to things you don't understand?

The only one that was replying with agression is you https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853759 https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853781 you started trash talking to me out of nowhere everyone can see it, i am the victim her, not you.

 

[Arceus0x]

The only one that was replying with agression is you https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853759

that was literally a joke, an actual meme I sent to a response you made that I also assumed was a joke. Jokes like these are all over social media

https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853781 you started trash talking to me out of nowhere everyone can see it, i am the victim her, not you.

I asked you to stop spamming. Using the word shit isn't some deadly sin mate, throughout this convo I never once directly or indirectly insulted you.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Yeah, shit/ass/glazing, crazy/bruh are holy words that all christians use every sunday at the church when joking with God

 

[Arceus0x]

Yeah, shit/ass/glazing, crazy/bruh are holy words that all christians use every sunday at the church when joking with God

this ain't a christian minecraft server, and what the heck is your issue with bruh and crazy? These are normal words for goodness sake.

 

[Arceus0x]

You know what? Screw it. If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it, but you still reacted more aggressively than I did at all.
I might have bigger issues cooking up rn so I just can't be bothered to argue about this.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I wasn't trying to spam or something, i just trend to reply with pics half of the time instead of using words, it happen time to time. I was also wrong here https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853794 i didn't read the spoiler the first time since i you used an aggressive expressions and even false (you said i was spamming whole *** webtoon pages when i only send pictures) and even when i read it, i didn't know that you were asking me to use spoilers. Anyway, we all have our part of wrong here, let's move on

 

[Arceus0x]

I wasn't trying to spam or something, i just trend to reply with pics half of the time instead of using words, it happen time to time. I was also wrong here https://vsbattles.com/threads/tower-of-god-general-discussion-thread-part-5.81211/post-6853794 i didn't read the spoiler the first time since i you used an aggressive expressions and even false (you said i was spamming whole *** webtoon pages when i only send pictures) and even when i read it, i didn't know that you were asking me to use spoilers. Anyway, we all have our part of wrong here, let's move on

Ok

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Is it a Tier 2-A feat or range or potency ?

There is a verse were they are characters who limits the size of the cosmology as a side effects of their abilities (plot manipulation) 🤔 From SIU, the Author of the verse "The TUS is a universe under the premise that “The world comprises of several tales as its centre, and these tales persist...

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[Arceus0x]

Fully finished up this bad boy

Admin fragment absorbs Shinsu, Admin absorbs all shinsu

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Also made this based on the new stuff regarding floor size

Admin can manipulate all shinsu on a floor

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With this
Admins and Enryu would scale to 12.4 Exatons
Zahard and 10 FH would scale to 20 Petatons
By proxy Luslec would scale to like 5 Petatons or sth

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Snip

I don't know that reason why you are using a circle and a cylinder when a floor has always been presented as rectangular prism
Also, a Administrator is able to destroy a floor to the point where there is nothing left (this should be planetary)and then recreate it scaling from itself and kids datas Zahard and Gustang.

 

[Arceus0x]

I don't know that reason why you are using a circle and a cylinder when a floor has always been presented as rectangular prism 

What? I am using a circle for the hypothetical explosion calc, cylinder for the absorption calc

Also, a Administrator is able to destroy a floor to the point where there is nothing left (this should be planetary)and then recreate it scaling from itself and kids datas Zahard and Gustang.

How about you add a source to this

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

What? I am using a circle for the hypothetical explosion calc, cylinder for the absorption calc

How about you add a source to this

I can understand the logic of using the circle and sphere in the case of the Red Thryssa.
But in the case of the administrator doing it, the rectangular prism(the floor) is the area of effect of the Shinsu absorption.
Also, why are you only calculating the first part of the feat? There is also the second part where it is firing the Shinsu instantaneously.

Data Gustang deleted the hidden floor with the red pill and, it was also stated that Data created the hidden floor.

 

[Arceus0x]

I can understand the logic of using the circle and sphere in the case of the Red Thryssa.
But in the case of the administrator doing it, the rectangular prism(the floor) is the area of effect of the Shinsu absorption.
Also, why are you only calculating the first part of the feat? There is also the second part where it is firing the Shinsu instantaneously.

There's no statement that the tower is square and thus I use a cylinder. Firing shinsu is significantly more vague compared to the absorption.

Data Gustang deleted the hidden floor with the red pill and, it was also stated that Data created the hidden floor.

He used specific tools that manipulate the data world, this is closer to hax than an actual feat

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

There's no statement that the tower is square and thus I use a cylinder. Firing shinsu is significantly more vague compared to the absorption.

He used specific tools that manipulate the data world, this is closer to hax than an actual feat

There are literally 2 cannon illustrations of a floor, one with Lero Ro and one with Khun.
What are you calling significantly more vague? It is only moving Shinsu in the opposite direction.

Data Zahard never used a tool to manipulate the hidden floor, he created it himself. He also created the big breaders and give them their power.

 

[Arceus0x]

The 2 cannon illustrations of a floor, one with Lero Ro and one with Khun.

I don't remember the one with khun but the lero ro one was just an observer showing how a floor was divided, not the actual floor plan.

What are you calling significantly more vague? It is only moving Shinsu in the opposite direction.

Show me where it happens again please. Forgot.

Data Zahard never used a tool to manipulate the hidden floor, he created it himself. He also created the big breaders and give them their power.

That would just be data manipulation for Zahard (if you can prove he is the one who created it, which isn't true since he was created by the hidden floor) and the tool used by Eduan to nuke the floor didn't scale to him either, it was just a tool that was meant to destroy the data floor via data manipulation.

And even if we did assume that Zahard could scale to destroying a floor entirely, even if we assumed he pulverized it, we'd still get shit tiers man.
Let's say he pulverized a floor right? We've no knowledge of how deep a floor is so since there's mountains let's be generous and say there's tectonic plates so the depth is 125km.
Using the cylinder volume and multiplying it by the 214j/cc pulverization value we get... 8 petatons... Lower than what Zahard currently scales to.
Hell even if we went with vaporization (which has no evidence here) we'd only get 1 exaton which is still High 6-A.

Basically, even with the most generous assumptions here you won't even hit tier 5

 

[ImNot4nUser]

I remember being part of the reason the Tower is accepted as cyllindric, but now I don't agree to it, we have really no reason for that tbh.

Assuming the floor areas are a square surface and only taking into account outer floor and inner area I did the calculations and no matter what you take, you only ever get HIgh 6-A for the destruction of a floor.

I already did calculations off site but vaporization modelling after the value of sillicon is like 11 exatons if it's to average continental depth and 0.48 exatons for vaporization down to average sea level of the American continent.

Violent fragmentation following the real life values of Sedan Crater violent fragmentation and down to sea level gives 1 petaton and 25 petatons down to average continental crust.

 

[ImNot4nUser]

FHs, Zahard, Urek are below Deku now! Interesting, I remember when Deku was put against Baam just some few years ago

 

[Arceus0x]

I remember being part of the reason the Tower is accepted as cyllindric, but now I don't agree to it, we have really no reason for that tbh.

Why not? I don't see a reason for it to be square either really, not to mentions that most symbollic depictions of the tower are cylindrical or at least non-square

FHs, Zahard, Urek are below Deku now! Interesting, I remember when Deku was put against Baam just some few years ago

for all we know they may get some crazy feats later down the line or maybe there'll be a new floor size in the canon. By the end of the series Bam would scale above admins most likely and those dudes will be nearly 5-C with the current calc I made

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Now that S3 is over, lot of updates should be incoming.

I ******* hope that SIU fixes his art and hears the critiques:

• Smaller panels
• Sense of scale and destruction (stop the flashlight battles)
• Less aerial fights
• Better perspective (he likes his funky perspectives when the panels are SUPER long, it isn't good and when they're small he only does face shots)

not to mentions that most symbollic depictions of the tower are cylindrical or at least non-square

The non symbolic depictions are from outside the Tower, as well as implying that the floors get smaller as you up. Two are from a fairy tale and one is Rachel daydream who knows so little of the Tower as seen with her interaction with Headon.

We need a structural view, not an outside design because the outside of the structure doens't decide the inside at all.

 

[Arceus0x]

We need a structural view, not an outside design because the outside of the structure doens't decide the inside at all.

But I still think that a circular floor makes more sense. I don't think we've ever seen an edge of a floor properly, never seen a single corner of it. Since we see no corners I think there's no reason to make it anything but a circle. There's just more evidence in my opinion.

 

[Arceus0x]

So, to try n list everything that we should revise outside of the calcs I brough up above...

Spoiler: Revisions

-Bam gets two new keys with Leviathan transformation at "At least High 6-B" and a "High 6-A" key when possessed by V.
-Dumas profile that is At least High 6-B with higher in his final unrevealed form
-Luslec profile that will be like 6-A or High 6-A
-Gustang gets Reality warping, subjective reality, durability negation via the stick, summoning and revival via the scales, some form of deconstruction, space manipulation and fire manipulation via the flame
-Traum gets a new key, soul manip via that one crazy thing he summoned, dura neg and spatial manipulation via disconnect and enhanced spatial manipulation in his later key
-Urek gets something similar to the flame with either deconstruction/existence erasure or something for his punches since their nature is similar to the flame
-Speed upgrades for Endorsi and Khun
-Did I miss anything?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I don't remember the one with khun

The inverse representation of a floor has always been rectangular.

Show me where it happens again please. Forgot.

if you can prove he is the one who created it, which isn't true since he was created by the hidden floor

Data Zahard and created the hidden floor, he also wasn't created by the HF. After leveling the hell train, Zahard was given a mirror with the ability to save his curen't self

And even if it wasn't Zahard, but the Workshop who created it, the Administrators would still upscale. The Administrator also upscale from Gustang's pill(which has type2 info manipulation btw) like i said.

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Snip

NPI for 3D Disconnection (disconnected Hunos who was the concept of wind flowing beyond the Tower)

Conceptual and Law destruction for Blossom flame and Urek's fist.

Retrocognition (Scale)

Also, why space stuff for the flame of Absolute Destruction and Urek's fist though? The Void at the center of Disconnection is basically erased/disconnected space

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So, to try n list everything that we should revise outside of the calcs I brough up above...

Spoiler: Revisions

-Bam gets two new keys with Leviathan transformation at "At least High 6-B" and a "High 6-A" key when possessed by V.
-Dumas profile that is At least High 6-B with higher in his final unrevealed form
-Luslec profile that will be like 6-A or High 6-A
-Gustang gets Reality warping, subjective reality, durability negation via the stick, summoning and revival via the scales, some form of deconstruction, space manipulation and fire manipulation via the flame
-Traum gets a new key, soul manip via that one crazy thing he summoned, dura neg and spatial manipulation via disconnect and enhanced spatial manipulation in his later key
-Urek gets something similar to the flame with either deconstruction/existence erasure or something for his punches since their nature is similar to the flame
-Speed upgrades for Endorsi and Khun
-Did I miss anything?

Dumas should get FH level rating for his Weapon yeah it doesn't scale to his durability or physicals.

 

[Arceus0x]

The inverse representation of a floor has always been rectangular.

Doesn't show the floor as square since this is just a 2D slice of it. Not to mention the diagram is literally incorrect since the outer tower here is smaller than the inner tower.

It would blow itself up with unknown force, this changes nothing.

Data Zahard and created the hidden floor, he also wasn't created by the HF. After leveling the hell train, Zahard was given a mirror with the ability to save his curen't self

And even if it wasn't Zahard, but the Workshop who created it, the Administrators would still upscale. The Administrator also upscale from Gustang's pill(which has type2 info manipulation btw) like i said.

Jahad used a tool to create it. It doesn't matter if Admins would upscale since admins have a better feat calculated above. The only ones who could scale to this at all are them. Even then it's called a virtual world for a reason. The boundries of reality and fiction are blurred here so I doubt someone who at the time was barely ranker level would be able to preform a High 6-A feat.

 

[Arceus0x]

Dumas should get FH level rating for his Weapon yeah it doesn't scale to his durability or physicals.

It was comparable in feeling to the FHs but not the power. Didn't we already discuss this?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It was comparable in feeling to the FHs but not the power. Didn't we already discuss this?

It was stated to be FH level in power in one translation. We discussed we would check the translation. I'll look for the the raws later .

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Doesn't show the floor as square since this is just a 2D slice of it

Lol, the first time with Lero Ro it was 3D and this time with Khun it is 2D

with unknown force

Tell me what foece other than Shinsu the Red Thryssa is using.

Jahad used a tool to create it. It doesn't matter if Admins would upscale since admins have a better feat calculated above. The only ones who could scale to this at all are them. Even then it's called a virtual world for a reason. The boundries of reality and fiction are blurred here so I doubt someone who at the time was barely ranker level would be able to preform a High 6-A feat.

I never said Datas Zahard/Gustang scale, i only said the Admins upscale

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Zahad princes designs never disappoints

Spoiler

 

[Arceus0x]

Lol, the first time with Lero Ro it was 3D and this time with Khun it is 2D

Nah, like I said, Lero ro used an observer. Observers don't change shape much. If I used an egg to explain how the earth rotates around the sun that wouldn't mean that the earth is egg shaped.

Tell me what foece other than Shinsu the Red Thryssa is using.

It is using shinsu. But it still changes nothing. Like you can't calculate that attack, simply put. My calc already uses the KE of all that shinsu moving almost at Mach 4, you aren't getting better results than that.

I never said Datas Zahard/Gustang scale, i only said the Admins upscale

Which yet again, vague as it is, wouldn't matter since the feat is below the feat I'm pushing for.

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Let's take a look at the case of Blossom, who was the most talented and destructive in the Tower's history. She once proved that just by "accelerating" the shinsu in one area, she could instantly kill 99% of the population living there.

Does the "one area" imply an area as in... an intermediate area? Or is it too much of a reaching?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It was comparable in feeling to the FHs but not the power. Didn't we already discuss this?

I got the raws

Spoiler: Chapter 633

리바이어던과의 의태로 극도로 날카로워진 밤의 본능은

뒤마의 미세한 근육의 움직임이나 털 하나하나의 떨림까지도 느낄 수 있었지만

지금의 뒤마에게서 느껴지는 건

모든 것을 짐어삼키고 있는 '극도로 엄격한 힘' 뿐이었다.

그 힘은 분명 이 탑에 존재하는 '초월적인' 존재들에 가까웠고

격에 있어서는 10가주나 데이터로 만난 자하드와 비할 바는 아니었지만

저 팔에 빛나는 무기가 내뿜는 힘 만큼은

그들과 비견되지 않을까 싶을 정도로 압도적이었다.

저 무기가 시동되기 전에

거리를 좁혀야 해!!

쿤씨와 라크씨에게 남은 시간이 많지 않을거야.
어떻게든

MTL for now. I'll ask official translation thread to translate this later

The instinct of the night, sharpened to an extreme through mimicry with Leviathan, could sense even the slightest movements of Duma's muscles or the trembling of each hair.

But what I felt from Duma now was nothing but an 'extremely strict power' that seemed to devour everything.

This power was undoubtedly close to that of the 'transcendent' beings existing within this tower.

In terms of rank, it wasn't comparable to the Ten Great Families or Zahard, whom I had met through data, but the power emanating from the weapon shining on that arm was overwhelming enough to rival theirs.

Before that weapon is activated, I must close the distance!

Kun and Rak don't have much time left. Somehow, I need to...

As I mentioned previously, Baam said that Dumas's power (his own power not his weapons) was not comparable to that of the Ten Family Heads or Zahad. However, his right-hand weapon was clearly mentioned to be able to rival their power.

 

[Arceus0x]

I got the raws
MTL for now. I'll ask official translation thread to translate this later


As I mentioned previously, Baam said that Dumas's power (his own power not his weapons) was not comparable to that of the Ten Family Heads or Zahad. However, his right-hand weapon was clearly mentioned to be able to rival their power.

At the same time he was talking about the THs he met through data and Bam had never actually witnessed the full power of anyone of the THs. This means that he's not reliable here.

 

[ImNot4nUser]

Does the "one area" imply an area as in... an intermediate area? Or is it too much of a reaching?

.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

At the same time he was talking about the THs he met through data and Bam had never actually witnessed the full power of anyone of the THs. This means that he's not reliable here.

Thought you would say this kind of things Lmao

• His instincts are enhanced by Leviathan. Even without Gustang showcasing his full power, White could tell that he had a presence comparable to his father, who is another Family Head. Therefore, Baam, with his enhanced instincts, should be able to sense the power of Dumas's weapon.
• He has seen Traumerie power in Nest? Which would already scale to 6-A+
• From Gustang vs Traumerie fight he has seen to some extent.
• He has seen Urek using 10% of his power? Should have basic idea about how of 100% of his power would scale to and he is on par if not superior to FHs.

 

[Arceus0x]

Thought you would say this kind of things Lmao

• His instincts are enhanced by Leviathan. Even without Gustang showcasing his full power, White could tell that he had a presence comparable to his father, who is another Family Head. Therefore, Baam, with his enhanced instincts, should be able to sense the power of Dumas's weapon.
• He has seen Traumerie power in Nest? Which would already scale to 6-A+
• From Gustang vs Traumerie fight he has seen to some extent.
• He has seen Urek using 10% of his power? Should have basic idea about how of 100% of his power would scale to and he is on par if not superior to FHs.

And I thought you'd say this kind of counter to which I say three simple things
1. Pretty sure this kind of upscaling breaks the scaling
2. I could technically agree with 6-A weapon but yet again only if it doesn't just completely obliterate the scaling.
3. Also the% scaling for Urek wouldn't show Bam the full power of the FHs either.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

And I thought you'd say this kind of counter to which I say three simple things
1. Pretty sure this kind of upscaling breaks the scaling

2. I could technically agree with 6-A weapon but yet again only if it doesn't just completely obliterate the scaling.

Baam and Dumas doesn't scale to the weapon so how would it break the scaling?

3. Also the% scaling for Urek wouldn't show Bam the full power of the FHs either.

Well it would give roughly enough idea.

 

[Arceus0x]

Baam and Dumas doesn't scale to the weapon so how would it break the scaling?

Didn't bam live through its impact?