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Touma vs Naofumi

i think this might be stomp >touma punch the shield >shield is no more >naofumi either loses his hero powers and turns a normal human or still reatain is powers but touma still betas him with better street combat and precog
 
Malox1696 said:
i think this might be stomp
>touma punch the shield >shield is no more >naofumi either loses his hero powers and turns a normal human or still reatain is powers but touma still betas him with better street combat and precog
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Naofumi is like, very skilled in a fight. He spars with the best fighters in the world on an almost daily bases. (Granted, he's not exchanging physical blows with them, but the fact that he keeps up with them is impressive enough in its own right)

He's strong too.

Even at level 2 he could kill a person with a punch. (With barely any increase in his stats)

Also I would question if Touma could neg all of his powers, because there's 3 different power systems and being able to null one canonically doesn't equalize to being able to null the other ones. As-in there are characters in-verse who can null magic, but not EP or Soul Power using the same technique.

He nulls magic. But then there's Life-Force and Soul Power to work out, and I have no idea what those would be equal to in To Aru.

Wrote all this and then realized this was Second Wave LN Naofumi.

Touma probably stomps FRA.
 
Imagine Breaker nullifies anything and everything supernatural, not just magic but anything supernatural, only things that run solely on science won't be nullified.
 
Everything12 said:
Imagine Breaker nullifies anything and everything supernatural, not just magic but anything supernatural, only things that run solely on science won't be nullified.
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NLF.

Edit:

I knew someone was gonna say that when I typed it up tho.
 
So we would have to take the Supernatural things from To Aru and go down the list to see which ones equalize the the shield hero stuffs.

Otherwise it's still NLF.
 
Well yeah, but Yung probably things less about higher Dimensional and more anything supernatural is NLF as it shouldn't be able to nullify things like life force or soul power supernatural attacks without evidence in verse, but that's not how Imagine Breaker works.

It works as Imagine Breaker has a reference point of a world completely without supernatural force, and when it interacts with things the don't exist in that world then it erases that object. So Soul Power and Life force will be nulled as they definitely don't belong in that pure world.
 
"It works as Imagine Breaker has a reference point of a world completely without supernatural force, and when it interacts with things the don't exist in that world then it erases that object. So Soul Power and Life force will be nulled as they definitely don't belong in that pure world."

That's wierd. They definitely belong in the Shield Hero world. Hell, WN Naofumi has an entire god moveset built around using the laws of the world which utizile things like magic and status.

How does something like that even get equalized?
 
The world IB is a backup for is either Our Universe or the Pure World (the former being more likely than the latter), so magic existing in Shield Hero world doesn't matter that much.
 
Things that distort the laws of the World are also nullified, Imagine Breaker is like a Black Box that contains the blueprints for the original magic-less world, so even if someone completely changes the worlds it can still be restored if needed.

So it doesn't matter if the Shield World has magic naturally as even the current world of Toaru isn't the pure world that Imagine Breaker references, if its supernatural then it doesn't exist in the pure world thus it is Erased.
 
I think the WN version is a better fighter than touma, even if his shield gets nulled.

Him losing his god powers means he gets an attack stat above 0. So he's actually better off in that respect.
 
YungManzi said:
"Anything Supernatural" is the NLF.
Using an all encompassing statement like that is the problem.
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it is not NLF , let me explain how IB works:

IB is the collection of the wishes and fear (sub and non sub conscious) of all supernatural user (at least in universe) , the whish is if they do major screw up with RW power they can restore it (like changing the color of water and forgetting the original color) and the fear that their changes might be removed (this is more obvious)

IB to fulfil this purpose has the function of a back up, inside there is data of the original world with no distortion (basically IRL world) and erases anything that is not in the database, an advantage of this is u can add to it so it allows some specif stuff like normal souls and the planet to not get erased even tho they can be used to create the supernatural and have supernatural energy inside them (cause of the distortions)

basically even the mere presence in another universe would destroy reality of said universe if they are too different from the back-ups, but as we use verse equalization that is not a problem

this means that is not NLF it negates anything not from the stored data (basically IRL rules with a few exceptions) if it comes in contact with it tho the limit is still 1HC
 
If he loses all of his powers, he loses his weaknesses given by his shield and god slayer physiology.

Which is the reason why his attack is 10-C.
 
If his defenses are granted by the Shield, then Touma can still win, but if his dura is L2C even without the shield, incon?
 
YungManzi said:
If he loses all of his powers, he loses his weaknesses given by his shield and god slayer physiology.

Which is the reason why his attack is 10-C.
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Well, according to his profile, he is just 10-C without his shield and it doesn't change that when he loses it.
 
Do you have any quote saying that, Yung? If you have, i think we can just agree that his WN profile needs a bit of more work.
 
Quote saying what?

That if you take away his powers you take away the weakness of those powers?

Why would I need a quote like that?

The entire reason he has 10-C attack is because of the restriction placed on him via achieving semi-godhood.

Take that away, and he goes back to his base without godhood/shield powers. Which, of course, isn't on his profile because that never happened.
 
But he doesn't have Low 2-C durability without shield. He's in the 9-C range (In both AP and Durability)

Given level 2 Naofumi is barely any different from level 1. And this level 1 would actually be much stronger because his shield gave him garbage attack power (Although that sacrifices his defense).
 
YungManzi said:
The entire reason he has 10-C attack is because of the restriction placed on him via achieving semi-godhood.

Take that away, and he goes back to his base without godhood/shield powers. Which, of course, isn't on his profile because that never happened.
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Yeah, but his profile says he's 10-C without his shield, period, nothing else, no other stat of his own, only the shield.
 
It means he's 10-C without using shield abilities.

The only time he ever lost his shield was the the Faubrey War arc. Which we don't have a key for.

If we did, He would actually be at least Mountain level (For that arc) because he had access to weapons that didn't lower his attack stat to practically nothing.
 
No matter how you twist it, Touma ain't negating WN Naofumi's stats.

IB only negates non-natural supernatural powers. By shield hero standards stats fall into that category anyway. But even if not, WN Naofumi can just use Infinity Zero to make it so that it is natural.

Of course WN Naofumi could just paradox Touma out of existence as well.

(Even if his stats would be negated, Naofumi has above street brawler fighting skill...)
 
Ionliosite said:
So his profile isn't even complete? That's pretty bad.
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A profile that features the character at its strongest is complete.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Ionliosite said:
So his profile isn't even complete? That's pretty bad.
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A profile that features the character at its strongest is complete.
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Thats debatable. One can think that a profile with all keys and arcs, dividing the tiers accordingly would be complete. And others prefer to post the profile at its peak, which would be straight EoS
 
Ionliosite said:
No, it isn't. That's like creating a profile for Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel) with only the 2-B key and saying it is complete, or a profile for Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z) with only a 4-B key and saying it is complete.
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Yes, it is. Adding versions for different points in time is voluntary detail. A profile only needs to reflect the latest, strongest, most encompassing version. There is especially no obligation to make a key for short term power ups or nerfs, like the entire Faubrey War arc thing is.
 
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