Touhou General Discussion Thread 2: 17.5 Edition.

[OnsokunoSonic]

You're just too "lembek".

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Do you think I don't know how to look up words on the internet or what? I don't even give a shit about the insults, but you're just kinda being obnoxious for no reason.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

The "prologue" isn't just hype text, it's literally quoting an in-universe piece of research on the topic from Renko and Maribel; "So read the opening of the pair's self-published magazine". I know infinite size difference isn't what makes for R > F difference, which is where, y'know, the actual statements of R > F difference come into play. Also it's hard to believe the "not literally fiction" stuff when SCoOW is like. really ******* blatant about it being literal fiction to the outside world? It's literally just games and manga to them? Did you just skip over the entire origin of this argument?

SCoOW? Isn't that full of interview and all? Are you sure it's infinitely small? I mean it's literally a synopsis for a magazine, don't you think one would put hyperbolic word on a magazine so one could buy it?

Because, and I cannot stress this enough, the individual citizens of the outside world and Gensokyo are still on the same 'level' of existence. It is the broader cosmological structure of their respective worlds that differs here. The outside world is 5/7D. Gensokyo is 4D. This means jack shit to anybody living in these worlds.

Weird how Renko and Maribel perceive the world as infinitely small but is still capable of seeing a cat yokai that's gonna enter Gensuccyo.

Do you think I don't know how to look up words on the internet or what? I don't even give a shit about the insults, but you're just kinda being obnoxious for no reason.

Okay and

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

SCoOW? Isn't that full of interview and all? Are you sure it's infinitely small? I mean it's literally a synopsis for a magazine, don't you think one would put hyperbolic word on a magazine so one could buy it?

Nonono, the infinitely small statement is from Dr. Latency's Freak Report, the stuff about Touhou Project canonically being games and manga in the outside world is the part that comes from SCoOW.

Weird how Renko and Maribel perceive the world as infinitely small but is still capable of seeing a cat yokai that's gonna enter Gensuccyo.

Yeah, that's my point. These worlds have infinite dimensional difference between them, but the people that live in them are all 3D.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Nonono, the infinitely small statement is from Dr. Latency's Freak Report, the stuff about Touhou Project canonically being games and manga in the outside world is the part that comes from SCoOW.

Oh, that one. Isn't that, still an interview, yes it's canon but it's an interview.

Yeah, that's my point. These worlds have infinite dimensional difference between them, but the people that live in them are all

But then how come Renko/Maribel is capable of seeing the world that the yokai cat exist as infinitely small?

Also I'm gonna remind you that the Hakurei Shrine exist in the outside world so it's not a part of manga nor fiction.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Oh, that one. Isn't that, still an interview, yes it's canon but it's an interview.

Not even an interview, it's just a long piece of text giving general information on Touhou as a whole. Plus, we like. already use interviews? That's one of the main pieces of evidence for infinite Hell? I don't get what your point here is :v

But then how come Renko/Maribel is capable of seeing the world that the yokai cat exist as infinitely small?

Maribel's whole thing is seeing boundaries, including the boundary between worlds. Her seeing Gensokyo is kind of the point of her having that ability, in a narrative sense. Also I'm 99.9% sure Renko can't see Gensokyo, which is why she needs Maribel to describe it to her.

Also I'm gonna remind you that the Hakurei Shrine exist in the outside world so it's not a part of manga nor fiction.

The outside world Hakurei Shrine and Gensokyo Hakurei Shrine are two different locations. It's... kinda weird.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Maribel's whole thing is seeing boundaries, including the boundary between worlds. Her seeing Gensokyo is kind of the point of her having that ability, in a narrative sense. Also I'm 99.9% sure Renko can't see Gensokyo, which is why she needs Maribel to describe it to her.

But Renko can see the cat, which is supposed to be infinitesimal.

Not even an interview, it's just a long piece of text giving general information on Touhou as a whole. Plus, we like. already use interviews? That's one of the main pieces of evidence for infinite Hell? I don't get what your point here is :v

People really only see what they want to see huh. I guess Izanami is right after all.

The outside world Hakurei Shrine and Gensokyo Hakurei Shrine are two different locations. It's... kinda weird.

No, Hakurei Shrine exist between them, there's a half Hakurei Shrine in the outside world and there's half that's on Gensokyo, it's a real structure that exist and people can perceive without special boundary vision.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

But Renko can see the cat, which is supposed to be infinitesimal.

1. No she didn't. The text only mentions Maribel seeing the cat.

2. Idk how many times I have to repeat this, but the denizens of Gensokyo are still 3D. They aren't infinitesimal.

People really only see what they want to see huh. I guess Izanami is right after all.

You wanna elaborate on this?

No, Hakurei Shrine exist between them, there's a half Hakurei Shrine in the outside world and there's half that's on Gensokyo, it's a real structure that exist and people can perceive without special boundary vision.

That's uh, not true? Where are you getting this from? It's not like the shrine is cut in half or whatever, and in fact it's actually confirmed that there's a lake behind the shrine that's still a part of Gensokyo, so the shrine being half inside Gensokyo and half outside makes 0 ******* sense.

Also like. This isn't even unique to the shrine? Gensokyo is literally just a part of the Yatsugatake mountain range taken from the outside world, though both Gensokyo and the original mountain range still exist in conventional terms; It isn't a 50/50 scenario.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

1.. No she didn't. The text only mentions Maribel seeing the cat.

2. Idk how many times I have to repeat this, but the denizens of Gensokyo are still 3D. They aren't infinitesimal.

How could a world be infinitesimal but the inhabitants aren't?

You wanna elaborate on this?

Private Message me if you want because it's gonna get weird here.

That's uh, not true? Where are you getting this from? It's not like the shrine is cut in half or whatever, and in fact it's actually confirmed that there's a lake behind the shrine that's still a part of Gensokyo, so the shrine being half inside Gensokyo and half outside makes 0 ******* sense.

Where is the lake then? Except that there's a statement regarding that the Shrine doesn't exist Gensokyo so there's a part of the shrine that does exist on the outside world.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

How could a world be infinitesimal but the inhabitants aren't?

Gensokyo is still 4D, and has a lot of 3D space. Like, the world isn't infinitesimal objectively speaking; It only appears that way to higher layers.

Private Message me if you want because it's gonna get weird here.

Where is the lake then? Except that there's a statement regarding that the Shrine doesn't exist Gensokyo so there's a part of the shrine that does exist on the outside world.

The back of the shrine? That's what I said the first time. Also I'd like to see the full context for this statement.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

You know what, just drop the CRT now, if you so sure on it, if a staff a mad, it's on me.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Damn man I still need to write the CRT, and do a bunch of other shit first.

Realistically it's gonna be months away from now.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

@Guardian_Doge what did you do to Mokou.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Gensokyo is still 4D, and has a lot of 3D space. Like, the world isn't infinitesimal objectively speaking; It only appears that way to higher layers.

And the inhabitants of that higher layer (Maribel) seems to be capable of being harmed by the infinitesimal world? Like Maribel/Renko is the one perceiving the world as infinitesimal, not the world itself perceiving it as infinitesimal.

The back of the shrine? That's what I said the first time. Also I'd like to see the full context for this statement.

Did you just try to make a tier 1 CRT without knowing the Hakurei Shrine?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Damn man I still need to write the CRT, and do a bunch of other shit first.

Realistically it's gonna be months away from now.

Give me the doc, I'm copypasting it. I'm free rn (but not for long tho)

Bro I know it's you doing these stuff man .

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Give me the doc, I'm copypasting it. I'm free rn (but not for long tho)

Bro I know it's you doing these stuff man

Not this R>F thingy, but anyway for your dm wall message the other day dream souls are this.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

And the inhabitants of that higher layer (Maribel) seems to be capable of being harmed by the infinitesimal world? Like Maribel/Renko is the one perceiving the world as infinitesimal, not the world itself perceiving it as infinitesimal.

Yes... because it's the world that's infinitesimal and not the people living in it... This isn't that complicated...
Outside world = 7D. Outside world citizens = 3D. Gensokyo = 4D. Gensokyo citizens = 3D. I literally cannot simplify this any more.

Did you just try to make a tier 1 CRT without knowing the Hakurei Shrine?

no because i didnt make the ******* crt yet

Give me the doc, I'm copypasting it. I'm free rn (but not for long tho)

Dude

I literally haven't written it yet. I need to start over from scratch.

Bro I know it's you doing these stuff man .

Doge had nothing to do with this, I discovered the shit about the outside world/Gensokyo R > F difference on my own.

you can blame him for low 1-C dream world though

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Yes... because it's the world that's infinitesimal and not the people living in it... This isn't that complicated...
Outside world = 7D. Outside world citizens = 3D. Gensokyo = 4D. Gensokyo citizens = 3D. I literally cannot simplify this any more.

Bro, look at the person that's stating it, it's literally a normal 3D person with some...weird eyes uhh oh eh, and is somehow capable of getting harmed with a 2D being

Dude

I literally haven't written it yet. I

If you're not sure about you're creating, you know you messed up hard.

Doge had nothing to do with this, I discovered the shit about the outside world/Gensokyo R > F difference on my own.

you can blame him for low 1-C dream world though

It's a joke, there's literally a moai emote.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Bro, look at the person that's stating it, it's literally a normal 3D person with some...weird eyes uhh oh eh, and is somehow capable of getting harmed with a 2D being

Onsokuno

Please

For the love of god

Find me a SINGLE example of me saying Gensokyo citizens are 2D.

You can't, because it doesn't exist. I never said that.

If you're not sure about you're creating, you know you messed up hard.

I am sure about creating it. I just haven't started yet. I had a draft of tier 1 stuff, which I now need to delete and start over with because this new information changes everything.

I still wanna cover more hax, I wanna solidify infinite speed even further, I wanna get NEP approved, and I wanna get 2-C/2-B out of the way so tier 1 doesn't seem like as big of a jump. What, are those things invalid too just because I'm not posting the shitty unfinished versions right away?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Onsokuno

Please

For the love of god

Find me a SINGLE example of me saying Gensokyo citizens are 2D.

You can't, because it doesn't exist. I never said that.

No, that's not what I'm trying to say, clear your mind, woman. I'm trying to say how the heck is a supposed to be an infinitesimal world for Maribel capable of harming...the precious girl (a.k.a my girl) Maribel?

What, are those things invalid too just because I'm not posting the shitty unfinished versions right away?

Where did you get this? Calm down woman.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Come on man, you're mind is getting clouded, calm down.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

...Don't call me 'woman'. It's ****** weird.

No, that's not what I'm trying to say, clear your mind, woman. I'm trying to say how the heck is a supposed to be an infinitesimal world for Maribel capable of harming...the precious girl (a.k.a my girl) Maribel?

Because Maribel is 3D. The things harming her are also 3D. Therefore, they can harm her. Literally where are you getting the idea that Maribel has HDE?

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Because Maribel is 3D. The things harming her are also 3D. Therefore, they can harm her. Literally where are you getting the idea that Maribel has HDE?

Because she's the one that state the world is infinitely small?

...Don't call me 'woman'. It's ****** weird.

But you're a woman?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Because she's the one that state the world is infinitely small?

Okay, yes. The world is infinitely small. Compared to the outside world. What, exactly, does this mean for the inhabitants living there? Absolutely nothing, that's what. Because Gensokyo is undeniably 4D due to being a brane world; To argue that it's infinitely small in an objective sense rather than through comparison to a larger structure is to ignore how branes function.

But you're a woman?

Nobody goes around calling women 'woman' as like. slang or whatever. Idk how to explain it but its not the same as calling someone 'man', 'dude', or whatever else, and I have never encountered anybody who uses it that way.

 

[ÆONS]

Nobody goes around calling women 'woman' as like. slang or whatever. Idk how to explain it but its not the same as calling someone 'man', 'dude', or whatever else, and I have never encountered anybody who uses it that way.

Yeah I also agree that it's weird.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Nobody goes around calling women 'woman' as like. slang or whatever. Idk how to explain it but its not the same as calling someone 'man', 'dude', or whatever else, and I have never encountered anybody who uses it that way.

Where I'm from, we do use it that way, if it means anything to you ayy

 

[ÆONS]

By the way I read through all the arguments and Mokou actually does make some sense to me even though I still think the Outside World is just 6-D and not 7-D due to reasons I outlined before.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

At this point, the woman is just @Pain_to12 2.0 which I will not respond to this woman anymore (unless I feel like it of course)

By the way I read through all the arguments and Mokou actually does make some sense to me even though I still think the Outside World is just 6-D and not 7-D due to reasons I outlined before.

Aeons, can you private message me on why do you think it's right in a way?

 

[ÆONS]

At this point, the woman is just @Pain_to12 2.0 which I will not respond to this woman anymore.

Aeons, can you private message me on why do you think it's right in a way?

No, I don't do private messaging.

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Alright then, it's alright. It's alllright.

 

[Shmooply]

Once again I don't get any notifs from this thread despite watching it, fun.
dont expect me to defend tier 1 raymoo and marisa btw

 

[ÆONS]

Once again I don't get any notifs from this thread despite watching it, fun.
dont expect me to defend tier 1 raymoo and marisa btw

Yeah I get the same thing on other threads.

 

[Hecatia_Gaming]

dont expect me to defend tier 1 raymoo and marisa btw

Well tbf that doesn't make sense at all, nor the downscaling with Doremy or something like that, at least for me.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Where I'm from, we do use it that way, if it means anything to you ayy

Huh. Had no idea :v

Anyways, I don't think I'm gonna convince anybody who isn't already on board. I'll just keep digging for evidence and do things my own way when the time is right :v

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

I guess Izanami was right after all.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

How long are you gonna keep losing your shit over this? Was it really necessary to PM me 'L + Ratio' like 10 minutes ago?

Perhaps you need to learn to cope with differing opinions. Just a suggestion.

 

[Arceus0x]

Greetings lads and laddies, I, a guy who's never played tohou, have come here to try and figure a few things out.

The main thing, why do yall keep fighting? I came here and first thing i see is conflict...why?
I would like to remind you that we are following a hobby that is more useless than stamp collection (since that can make you rich if you try hard enough).
Fighting over cute anime girls power levels is cringe. I get that it happens to all and at one point debates become conflicts between personalities and not characters, however i'd like to encourage people to not annoy each other, you are just wasting time and nerves, no?
Of course, I am faulty of such things as well, but should we not strive for the better?
I keep seeing yall in the rule violation chat...is it really worth it?

I will say, I may have come in at the wrong moment and seen the wrong message, maybe i am being dumb and you may be just messing around. However after what i've seen, i felt like saying it, sharing my thoughts. Conflict over nothing is not worth it. Ironically enough, sometimes leaving things to their own accord makes things work out.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Eh

I'm not really interested in fighting anyone here. I'm mildly frustrated at best, maybe. Pretty much everything before this was fine, since I do genuinely enjoy debating when it's respectful.

We do generally just **** around in here though, I can't remember anything going south before in this thread.

 

[Arceus0x]

Eh

I'm not really interested in fighting anyone here. I'm mildly frustrated at best, maybe. Pretty much everything before this was fine, since I do genuinely enjoy debating when it's respectful.

We do generally just **** around in here though, I can't remember anything going south before in this thread.

it seems i jumped to conclusions then, i guess what i saw in the rule violations thread clouded my judgement

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Don't worry about it, fwiw I think that report was kinda jumping the gun a little.