Touhou BDE type 1 Gods

[Speedblitzer50]

I think this is self-evident and only needs one staff member

"As is already accepted in this CRT, Gods in Touhou in they nameless form exist without names, and were capable of existing in a state of indistinct chaos prior to the existence of names, with names creating all boundaries in existence"

Gods lacks of names and therefore boundaries in this state, which would include the space-time which is declared as a boundary. And if a character lacks the concept of space-time should gave him BDE type 1

So the gods in Touhou should have Beyond-dimensional-existence type 1 in they nameless form, and that's it

 

[Shmooply]

Pretty straightforward. Agree.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

exist without names

- Symposium of Post-mysticism ~ Part 5, "The Difference Between Gods and Youkai"

were capable of existing in a state of indistinct chaos prior to the existence of names, with names creating all boundaries in existence

- Curiosities of Lotus Asia ~ Chapter 15

space-time which is declared as a boundary

- Dr. Latency's Freak Report ~ Track 5, "September Pumpkin"

For clarification, the "space-time which is declared as a boundary" is Gensokyo in this context.

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I generally agree with this update.

However, this should only apply to Old Gods who predated the creation of reality. Not every God in this verse first existed as nameless/conceptless before reality was created. There are those who rose to becoming Gods (New Gods) through gathering enough faith, rather than beginning as nameless.

This is also supproted by Kanako's statements to Byakuren in SoPM, where she says that Gods who lose their faith will return to their former existence. We can safely assume two things from this;

1. New Gods do not return to nameless forms upon losing Faith, as they did not begin as nameless/predate the creation of reality.
2. Old Gods return to their nameless forms upon losing Faith. This also implies that they can return to their named forms upon gathering sufficient Faith.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

However, this should only apply to Old Gods who predated the creation of reality. Not every God in this verse first existed as nameless/conceptless before reality was created. There are those who rose to becoming Gods (New Gods) through gathering enough faith, rather than beginning as nameless.

This is also supproted by Kanako's statements to Byakuren in SoPM, where she says that Gods who lose their faith will return to their former existence. We can safely assume two things from this;

1. New Gods do not return to nameless forms upon losing Faith, as they did not begin as nameless/predate the creation of reality.
2. Old Gods return to their nameless forms upon losing Faith. This also implies that they can return to their named forms upon gathering sufficient Faith.

The problem is that literally ALL gods (except Shinki) have a nameless form key in this wiki where their nonduality, NEP, etc. was accepted. And the BDE I'm proposing is one more hax that goes with them, from another previously accepted CRT (the fact that they lack the concept of space-time literally was accepted and all gods have it, but for some reason the person who made the previous CRT didn't think of BDE)

If you think not all gods should not have nameless form, best to leave it to another CRT. Since the central theme here is to add something that is already partially accepted

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

If you think not all gods should not have nameless form, best to leave it to another CRT. Since the central theme here is to add something that is already partially accepted

If it's going to be updated anyway, I don't see a reason to hold it back. Accuracy should take priority over relying on partial acceptance from an old CRT.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

bump

 

[Speedblitzer50]

If it's going to be updated anyway, I don't see a reason to hold it back. Accuracy should take priority over relying on partial acceptance from an old CRT.

There are many things in the verse that need to be fixed, not just this, and this CRT is only about adding a hax to something already accepted, what you are proposing is to remove a key from several characters something this thread is not about

 

[StrymULTRA]

If it's going to be updated anyway, I don't see a reason to hold it back. Accuracy should take priority over relying on partial acceptance from an old CRT.

You'd have to make sure the new update to remove that would be approved to begin with, which you can't know unless you have literal Precognition.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

adding a hax to something already accepted

What thread have you been referring to?

 

[Speedblitzer50]

What thread have you been referring to?

This (Although I literally put it at the beginning of this thread lol)

The things that were accepted here also give BDE 1 to the gods in they nameless forms (lacking the concept of space-time) but the creator of that CRT did not realize that

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

If the intent is the give Gods with accepted Nameless keys BDE type 1, then that's fine. I think I understand now, apologies for the disruption.

And yes, I agree that there is a lot of things that need fixing for this verse. I only say the things I say with that in mind.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bumpp

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Bump

Would like to get this one passed soon. I have verse CRT's of my own ready to be shown.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

Would like to get this one passed soon. I have verse CRT's of my own ready to be shown.

Nothing stops you from doing that as long as there aren't more than 3.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Nothing stops you from doing that as long as there aren't more than 3.

Weird. Thought we were at capacity for some reason.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Weird. Thought we were at capacity for some reason.

RN there is only 1 CRT (this) open, so you can make other 2 for the time being, so... ye.

 

[Shmooply]

Weird. Thought we were at capacity for some reason.

Nah we killed the verse so there's no CRTs

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Bump

 

[Shiroiyo]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree. And if what Quibster said is true, someone should get to that when they can.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Agree. And if what Quibster said is true, someone should get to that when they can.

Since this CRT is simply adding one hax, only your vote is needed or do I still need another staff?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Since this CRT is simply adding one hax, only your vote is needed or do I still need another staff?

Just one as it's self evident.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Just one as it's self evident.

Well, I'll will apply the changes later but if someone else does it for me thanks anyway

 

[Shiroiyo]

Bump, we need to apply this to the profiles

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Don't we need one more staff vote?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Don't we need one more staff vote?

Just one as it's self evident.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Changes applied, this can be closed