Basically the only counter Gestalt will have to that is him getting injured enough from it, and begin to use his ranged abilities like his flight, fire balls, laser beams, and projectile spikes from his back.
The thing is the Shogun can still move and attack as it's reflecting, and the Hurricane Slash can target up in the air if Gestalt tries to keep away.
Gestalt is still immune to 3/4 of Shogun's attacks, and shogun's one attack method that can hurt gestalt gets weaker and weaker as the fight goes on, while Gestalt's attack methods gets stronger and stronger.
Technically the slash would scale with Gestalt's evolution, since as they get stronger I'm assuming their 'max health' percent would also go up. And if it doesn't, then the slash does the same amount of damage no matter Gestlat's defenses.
Fair, though the cooldown isn't that bad. Unless it's a constant stream of projectiles, but it can reflect a lot at once and with even a short gap in between projectile hits the reflect can reset. correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not familiar with Madness, but from what I can see in a video of Gestalt's bossfight it isn't a very fast firerate once they get up into the air.
the Shogun Dodge can help with that, and the shogun can move and evade regularly as well.
fair nough
Gestalt very regularly attacks while doing that, so unless he's got some crazy dodging skills, he's gonna get hit regardless.
He almost engulphed the entire universe within less than a day. his soul collecting is constant, and took him very little time to get to a point he could evolve new abilities and shit.
He does, every second if something tries to hit it the shogun passively leaps out of the way
That is, concerning, but the battle shouldn't take a day hopefully. I mean more, he's obviously actively gaining new abilities as the fight goes on, but does he get a new trick every 10 seconds? every minute? every ten minutes?
This is definitely faster than a second. Gestalt also has homing attacks which is gonna make it hard for the shogun to dodge.
He gained about a dozen abilities off the bat when he got hurt. he's got some sort of adaption that lets him gain abilities depending on his situation, so he might just gain abiltiies to counter the shogun's slash after getting hit by it a few times.
I meant in melee, the Shogun reflects for ranged attacks like what was happening at that timestamp and that pace was definitely within the reflect's cooldown period.
Hmm, don't like the sound of that. I don't know what exactly he could adapt to counter the slash, considering it completely ignores physical durability and nothing in TABS can counter it but it only takes 7 slashes for the health % to reach 100, not counting any separate damage Gestalt might take, though given how they are apparently completely immune to damage otherwise that's probably not a lot.
I just checked the wiki and it said after reflecting, it needs a 1 second cooldown, and 3 seconds to deflect 20.
as said above, 1 second/3 second cool down is far slower than gestalt's attack speed for most of his attacks.
Dissonance Energy, a corrupting energy source from hell, which rips apart matter and inflicts insanity on the victim which also happen to disable his defenses (but he's capable of evolving an regaining his defenses). it's the only way they're able to harm him.
Yes, it takes 3 seconds to deflect 20 at once and recharge
That is fair, but the reflecting and dodging will help. Even if Gestalt is constantly evolving, they start equalized, and I don't think Gestalt will instantly become strong enough to 1 shot the Shogun, so if it can dodge and reflect enough attacks to spread the damage it takes out over a long enough period, I believe it can win.
I understand he wont take any extra damage, I was saying just in case.
Fair enough, the Shogun can't use that
Steady projectiles which hit in. Less than one second intervals, something he cant deal with.
Unless he has feats of doing that to people with stamina to his degree, there’s no reason to assume that.
Yes, he can
It hasn't, and so while we can't know for sure, we do know that it can kill every unit in the game in 7 slashes (other than the ice giant, which for some reason takes 45% rather than 15%). Even the Super Peasant, the best unit in the game which takes scratch damage from every other unit and stomps everything if it isn't being held in place dies to the slash in 7. I think it is entirely reasonable to believe that the slash will do the same to Gestalt. Gestalt can't fight with his head missing, so it's not like the Shogun has to turn his entire body into powder to win. If the Shogun's damage scales with how much is needed to win, I don't see why Gestalt would be different.
in that same video he's getting hit by arrows going slower. you can't bank on him being that consistent. we're also ignoring Gestalt is Class M, and his projectiles are prosumably the same since they can knock down the protagonists who are class 50...
15% from where? 15% to kill him from his foot or chest is different from his head. this is why saying he'll die in 7 hits is complete nonsense. we're juts assuming these slashes will magically kill him even though they'll be sword wounds he can 100% walk off lmao. Show me proof of shoguns ignoring stamina that lets him walk off wounds like Gestalt can and i'll accept it. otherwise, you have no grounds to assume he'll die in 7 hits to wounds he can easily walk off, and it's a complete no limits falacy to assume he'd magically die from 7 hits when they're wounds he can normally survive.
Equalized stats, for one, and it never matters how large or small the projectiles are, in game the Shogun always deflects them even if they absolutely ragdoll other units of comparable size and weight.
Maybe the shogun always slashes at some vital part of the body, maybe the cut is so big it doesn't need to aim, or maybe it's magic since the shogun's sword glows yellow before the enemy gets hurt, we don't know because TABS is a game about gumbies flailing at each other until one of them falls over with no visible injuries. I'm going off what the ability is described and shown in the game to do. Does Madness have a character with the ability to guarantee kill someone in x hits? Has Gestalt survived something like that?
is he even in this fight? unless im blind it doesn't say anywhere on either of their profiles that Phobos is spawned in whenever Gestalt dies in a fight under abilities. obviously he did when gestalt died in game but should he be counted for the fight? it's the shogun v gestalt, not the shogun v gestalt+phobos
unless im completely wrong about that topaz. if that is the case then i concede that the shogun has no chance
no i believe that the shogun can beat gestalt, very high difficulty but it is doable. if phobos was in the battle then the shogun was cooked
i honestly completely forgot.
Why would whether Gestalt surviving something like that matter here? this is based off the shogun. not on gestalt.
Phobos is standard equipment for Gestalt, hell im pretty sure it's implied Phobos is actively controlling Gestalt to an extent.
It is. It's on both Gestalt's and Phobos' profiles that they are both SE for eachother, since neither can fight without eachother.
Oh, im just blind. Yeah if Phobos is here then yeah im sorry to say Shogun is fvcken cooked
You're doing a losers bracket?
I may, depending on what happens. First im going to need more losers to put in the bracket.
