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Hank inconspicuously just was able to negate all of Tricky's immortality from getting blessed be the auditor, so, they kinda needed to pull some strings to get him to die. atleast gestalt had something already established kill himIf Tricky can actually fvking stay dead, he's automatically better then Gestalt hands down
Gestalt is physically invulnerable.hey
wait a minute
i just re-checked the Hax Tiers
Gestalt is physically invulnerable, right?
it's crazy, i opened that up and somehow completely missed 'invulnerability' there. i'm so cooked i sold.So uh
Turns out
Physical Invulnerability is in the Very High section of the Hax Tiers. The cap......is High
The Hax Tiers Page
Well
This fight's reopened
If gestalt's main gimick is restricted, then basically it's the same thing as above, but Binah has actualy options to harm Gestalt.I dont even know what the hell even made me think to check the page. Probably just being sure it was going with the rules but uh.....
Nope
Gestalt's main gimmick is just restricted
I love how this turns from Gestalt/Phobos wearing Binah down to just Binah fvcking rolling over Gestalt like its nothing. Damn
if Gestalt dies, the gateway closes and Phobos gets self-BFR'd.I mean, if Gestalt is dead, then would Phobos be able to project himself still, or is Gestalt the gateway?
hey just to be sure can i change the key to End of The Cycle?Yeah, i think that should count, so yeah you can have your skill gods like Hank/Tricky/Jesus/Tricky, but nothing stupid like Gestalt
Though i reckon the the Reckoning might be able to beat it. Maybe. Maybe
istfg if Gestalt walks all over this tournament
well. at least a loser's bracket is in order
do... they do that in character? looking through other matches it doesn't seem like Binah would range spam and instantly go for the kill. unless you bloodlust Binah it seems like they'd get closer to Gestalt.Alright, i checked SBA just to be sure, but Binah outranges by a good enough margin that it may give her the win (Hundred of Meters to Kilometers, Hundreds of Kilometers in visual range with Big Birds eyes) compared to Tens of Meters for both Gestalt and Phobos. Unless you put them both in basically melee range, Binah's just gonna have free reign to snipe the thing with Pillar
Yeah Gestalt's getting outranged and sniped
the shogun was robbed smh
Binah does not fvck around in the Librarian key anymore after the incident with Kali. If she properly views you as a threat she will try and end things quickly. The only reason why she lost to Kali is because she underestimated her. The Weaknesses bit does mention that this is moot nowdo... they do that in character? looking through other matches it doesn't seem like Binah would range spam and instantly go for the kill. unless you bloodlust Binah it seems like they'd get closer to Gestalt.
the shogun was still cooked vs Phobos
Oh yeah please help confirm would it be in line for Binah to see Gestalt as enough for a threat to just go for the kill and range spam?This thread went from incon to in favor of Gestalt to in favor of Binah so quickly
You can't say she would instantly go for the kill, and list a notable example of Binah doing the exact opposite of that.Binah does not fvck around in the Librarian key anymore after the incident with Kali. If she properly views you as a threat she will try and end things quickly. The only reason why she lost to Kali is because she underestimated her. The Weaknesses bit does mention that this is moot now
Binah at that range won't even know what Gestalt can do, she literally can only base it off his appearance unless she's given prior knowledge on gestalt.Yeah most definitely. Librarian key + the shit Gestalt can do will just make Binah end the fight quickly
No i mentioned that because i wanted to point out BECAUSE of that incident Binah would absolutely learn from her mistakes. Thats.....basic knowledgeYou can't say she would instantly go for the kill, and list a notable example of Binah doing the exact opposite of that.
I dunno, big lumbering humanoid thing charging me with the intent to kill would trigger fight or flight responses in meBinah at that range won't even know what Gestalt can do, she literally can only base it off his appearance unless she's given prior knowledge on gestalt.
Was this ever actually stated that she began to stop underestimating her opponents, or, is this just an assumption?No i mentioned that because i wanted to point out BECAUSE of that incident Binah would absolutely learn from her mistakes. Thats.....basic knowledge
you are also not Binah, who apparently has a history of underestimating people.I dunno, big lumbering humanoid thing charging me with the intent to kill would trigger fight or flight responses in me
The reason why Binah was underestimating everyone before Kali because she, as an Arbiter, are one of the most powerful beings in the City- second only to the head, and way above everything else. Why would she think some random Color Fixer (still strong, but nothing compared to an Arbiter) would cause her issues, considering shes steamrolled everything before facing KaliWas this ever actually stated that she began to stop underestimating her opponents, or, is this just an assumption?
you are also not Binah, who apparently has a history of underestimating people.
Yeah this basically summarizes itThe reason why Binah was underestimating everyone before Kali because she, as an Arbiter, are one of the most powerful beings in the City- second only to the head, and way above everything else. Why would she think some random Color Fixer (still strong, but nothing compared to an Arbiter) would cause her issues, considering shes steamrolled everything before facing Kali
if you start getting a god complex (or superiority complex in this case), your eventually gonna get brought back down to zero.
Ok... but, still, that doesn't exactly answer my question. was it ever like, shown or stated that Binah stopped doing that?The reason why Binah was underestimating everyone before Kali because she, as an Arbiter, are one of the most powerful beings in the City- second only to the head, and way above everything else. Why would she think some random Color Fixer (still strong, but nothing compared to an Arbiter) would cause her issues, considering shes steamrolled everything before facing Kali
if you start getting a god complex (or superiority complex in this case), your eventually gonna get brought back down to zero.
Using Phobos as an example isn't the best, since when he died he kept the god-complex, and arguably it got even worse after his death. the first thing he says when he first appears is literally;Didnt Phobos eventually end up losing because he thought he was the hottest person around?
"STEP ASIDE GENTLEMEN, A GOD STANDS BEFORE YOU NOW!"
Hey you mind helping me find/send proof of when Binah stopped underestimating her foes after the Kali incident or should i start digging through some dialogue?Yeah this basically summarizes it
Even if you do find scans of them not underestimating their opponent, have they actually ever range spammed to kill someone in character? i feel it's a bit of a jump even if they stopped underestimating their opponents to say that means they'll range spam anyone.Hey you mind helping me find/send proof of when Binah stopped underestimating her foes after the Kali incident or should i start digging through some dialogue?
Also yeah thisOh yeah I prolly should have specified that Binah's definitely gonna observe Gestalt for a good bit before deciding if she should just go all out or not.
Aaand you know which option she'll take once she gets an answer.
how long is 'a good bit' because if she takes any longer than a minute im pretty sure she's shooting herself in the foot.Oh yeah I prolly should have specified that Binah's definitely gonna observe Gestalt for a good bit before deciding if she should just go all out or not.
Aaand you know which option she'll take once she gets an answer.
what even is lobotomy corpThat may take a while. Both L Corp and Library of Ruina are two incredibly story rich games
As for your second question, a lot of Binah's attacks can still be considered ranged anyways, and during her core suppression in L Corp she's most often seen using Key/Pillar and Fairy as her main attacks to weaken/outright kill employees while breaching Abnos left and right- so yeah i say it would be enough to warrant range spam if she constantly does it in her boss fight (which is indeed canon)
But uh, brb, ive got a lot of reading to do.
Oh you poor poor thing.what even is lobotomy corp
everything i hear about it just makes it more confusing
isn't it supposed to be scp fallout shelter?
true. honestly had some good fun with it when i played it even if it was difficult. (not usually my type of management game)Oh you poor poor thing.
Go buy the game. Then you will know everything
Gestalt is capable of dodging even at it's larger sizes, so it definitely could just avoid attacks that she throws at it from a distance.Anyways, yeah. Binah at a glance should be able to sus out how much of a threat Gestalt is based on- the fact that its a large ass human looking thing with most of it being made of metal lumbering towards her at speeds that shouldnt be possible for something of its size. She's going to register it as enough of a threat to at least throw a Pillar attack its way
Sure. She may not go full committed mode, but a Pillar attack is powerful enough to stop attacks more powerful then it- even Kali's most committed swings with Mimicry
Phobos wouldn't be put in a false sense of security? There isn't a world in this multiverse where Binah lets Gestalt get close and that makes Phobos get a false sense of security. he literally lives in a world of death, violence, and war and nothing else. he'll just fight her as usual and outskill Binah in CQC.I mean, there is also the possibility that Binah does let Gestalt get close, lull Phobos into some false sense of security, and then just bust out everything she has right there and then. Shes got Twilight and Apocalypse to help out with that- and if Gestalt does get injured, Apoc Bird's fist is just going to hit even harder
Fair enough. Still though, Binah's going to try and stat amp herself to the point where she can tear through Gestalt as soon as she can, not to mention the support Apoc Bird would provide as well. Gestalt's gonna get hurt quite a bit when Binah unleashes everything once CQC happens, and Apoc Bird's fists do more damage if a target is already hurtPhobos wouldn't be put in a false sense of security? There isn't a world in this multiverse where Binah lets Gestalt get close and that makes Phobos get a false sense of security. he literally lives in a world of death, violence, and war and nothing else. he'll just fight her as usual and outskill Binah in CQC.
This argument only works if while the attention is off Gestalt he isn't still amping. the time that's wasted trying to get rid of Phobos (which isn't happening very quickly lmao, he outskills Binah to hell and back with the skill feats that were given here, can generate forcefields, and summon minions from the other place to overwhelm the two, and has attacks that can hit people with instinctive reaction), Gestalt doesn't stop amping. he'll just get more and more durable during that time, and if they do end up temporarily getting rid of Phobos, by the time they get back to trying to kill Phobos he'll already be too damn durable to hurt anymore, meaning Phobos either will keep coming back to kill Binah, or, he begins controlling Gestalt again and kills them with Gestalt instead.Fair enough. Still though, Binah's going to try and stat amp herself to the point where she can tear through Gestalt as soon as she can, not to mention the support Apoc Bird would provide as well. Gestalt's gonna get hurt quite a bit when Binah unleashes everything once CQC happens, and Apoc Bird's fists do more damage if a target is already hurt
Sure. Phobos could just project himself while Apoc Bird and Gestalt are fighting (kaiju fight! woo!), but then Binah has more of a valid target to use Chain (which, even after being broken out of would still slow down Phobos), and if Phobos just gets nuked (somehow), then all the attentions gonna be back on Gestalt