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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier 5: The Last of the Forum

It took four Kirbys to beat him in team clash and likely star allies if we count that. So he might be a spot below but team clash is kinda weird so we can't be sure.
 
YungManzi said:
Setsuna tenma said:
Altair (Re:Creators) for 2nd Low 2C
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I'm like 100% positive she loses to castlevania characters.
I'm certain she loses to the wizard as well.

The only one I can see her beating in that tier is Doki Doki's player.
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how she has 2B immortality,the castlevania characters can`t kill her.She can just use outline orgin to debuff most of the cast.
 
YungManzi said:
They literally neg all of her immortalities and have passive hax she can't defend against.
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her immortality is on a 2B scale so they can`t kill her also she is a type 1 abstract so none of the passives will work on her
 
They can affect type 1 abstracts, and it doesn't matter if her immortality is 2-B. They just neg anyway.

And even if they can't, passive hax keeps her from doing anything.
 
Setsuna tenma said:
YungManzi said:
They literally neg all of her immortalities and have passive hax she can't defend against.
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her immortality is on a 2B scale so they can`t kill her also she is a type 1 abstract so none of the passives will work on her
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The Wizard Player is protected by Bartleby so his Immortality is immediately above hers and he's already beaten other Abstract Type 1s before. He also has Power Absorption on a 2-A level and used it to defeat Morganthe.
 
That's not 2B immortality. She simply remains as long as she's in the thoughts of people that perceived her.

And they already completely negate reliant immortality.
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
That's not 2B immortality. She simply remains as long as she's in the thoughts of people that perceived her.
And they already completely negate reliant immortality.
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those thoughts create entire universes
 
Ben CleverName said:
Setsuna tenma said:
YungManzi said:
They literally neg all of her immortalities and have passive hax she can't defend against.
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her immortality is on a 2B scale so they can`t kill her also she is a type 1 abstract so none of the passives will work on her
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The Wizard Player is protected by Bartleby so his Immortality is immediately above hers and he's already beaten other Abstract Type 1s before. He also has Power Absorption on a 2-A level and used it to defeat Morganthe.
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outline origin can just turn the player back to level 1
 
LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
Actually, completely forget what I said.
2-B is simply AP. She's not dimentionally above him or anything like that.

So her reliant immortality still doesn't matter and stll gets negated.
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no one in castlevania has negged 2B immortality thats a NLF.Again the universe of recreators has random thoughts and fiction turned into universes.
 
Setsuna tenma said:
Ben CleverName said:
Setsuna tenma said:
YungManzi said:
They literally neg all of her immortalities and have passive hax she can't defend against.
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her immortality is on a 2B scale so they can`t kill her also she is a type 1 abstract so none of the passives will work on her
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The Wizard Player is protected by Bartleby so his Immortality is immediately above hers and he's already beaten other Abstract Type 1s before. He also has Power Absorption on a 2-A level and used it to defeat Morganthe.
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outline origin can just turn the player back to level 1
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X doubt. Morganthe has Power Absorption too. It's literally one of her starting moves and the player says "lol no" and does it to her instead. But if you want we can have a proper debate over a versus thread.
 
2-B is literally simply AP.

I do not know how I can outline this easier. That shit doesn't make her reliant immortality better. AP has nothing to do with being able to negate it or not.

If you think it does, feel free to go make a CRT.
 
@Ion is interdimensional range considered to be higher-d? (not Lpw Multiversal, interdimensional)
 
Gunvolt isn't 8-B and I believe Nuclear Throne beats out the HxH guy due to it's pretty darn absurd portal creation/fuckery probably gets out of BFR and so.

What's Shigara's main gimmick?
 
Kirby isn't that much weaker (the fight we might be basing his ranking from was a spin-off where Kirby lacked all of his tools anyway.)
 
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