Plot in not a part if existance except if now you want to tell me that now we are fictionnal person, your litteraly nlf the concept if Essence here bruh.
It is, by definition. The general definition is "the main events of a play, novel, film, or similar work, devised and presented by the writer as an interrelated sequence". The plot is the sequence of events in a story, it's what happens in it.
Manipulating that, is reality-warping, just with the acknowledgment that the world is fictional. And like reality-warping, it can only do what it was shown to do, and wish-washy "I can do anything I imagine" is treated no differently than a reality warper claiming that.
The plot isn't separate. Reality is the story, the plot is how the story unfolds. It by nature is intrinsically a component of the story. "Plot" doesn't reside on the level of the writer - you can fantasize and write whatever, but you will never apply plot manipulation to reality.
A concept type 1 is both Inner and outer of reality and existence, nothing to do with the plot at least try ti understand what i tell, except if you want to tell that concept type 1 have inner plot résistance which you will need a CRT and a big amount of luck
I understand. I am saying you are wrong.
As I said above, the plot of a story is the course of events that happen. Essence would be both the story and the plot. Type 1 concepts could be the concept of apples - as with the "Ideal Apple" that is used as an example for it - but the type 1 concept of change, fate, and those things? They absolutely trump plot manipulation without feats on that level.
Having higher hax doesn't mean that lower can't do a thing even more when the other have nothing to do with it
Well, good thing that fate, beginning and endings, real and unreal, and so on very much do have something to do with what happens in reality. And what did we say plot was again?
All the thing have still technically nothing to so here except now you can tell me that this thing can led him to resist that someone can just re make hil the personnage of the chapter 1 of his novel.
So... you are arguing that 1-B plot manipulation will reduce him to the beginning of his story, when he controls and negates the 1-A concept of beginnings end endings.
Resistance someone sealing you is resistance to sealing, not other thing.
Alright, I will have to present to you a simple concept: ability titles mean nothing. And I mean that, as in what the wiki calls it. It's just a quick way to describe a power so that people with no knowledge can get a picture of what a character can do.
You could call an ability that forces atoms to stop vibrating as absolute zero, heat manipulation or matter manipulation. That does not mean, that if you tagged the power as absolute zero you'd need resistance to that, but if you tagged it as matter manipulation you'd need resistance to that.
Point is... just giving an ability a name means nothing. Show feats/statements of the power's mechanics and effects to tell whether it can be resisted or not, don't just throw the name of the power out.
Imagine a person being wounded making him wounded is subject reality yeah but never was plot manip, he doesn't want the fictional character just make is imagination reality like most of reality warper.
As opposed to plot manipulation, which changes reality to what a person wants it to be..? Again, plot manipulation
is reality-warping, with the pretext of "reality" being fictional.
Reducing dimmensionnality nit mean resisting to plot manip bruh i can tell you name of perso that can use plot manip against people of higher dimmensionnality than them.
You can't name a character who can plot manipulate someone higher dimensional than their plot manipulation is, and a smurf existing means nothing. While becoming 2D isn't as big of a reduction as becoming fictional, it is still resisting one's power being put into a lower rder.
You like the guy that tell that concept shouldn't be inherently superior
If you mean the crt, it was for type 3 concepts. Type 1 has to exist beyond reality, that's what makes it type 1.
and in same time wank the Concept manip of the character you know...
Would you like for me to copy-paste the definition of "inherently"? Because a specific character means it isn't inherently, but in that
specific case. There are a dozen quotes I can give you about how Dao and Essence create everything in existence, I can give you a quote that states that Essence creates but exist beyond everything, and there are plenty feats of it warping fundamental parts of reality from its elements to time or the distinction between real or false.
If you wish to claim hypocrisy, make sure that what I say actually contradicts what I claimed before.
Concept manip and plot manip have nothing to do with the other, plot manip is not about real or unreal but about scenar and plot,
In this case? They absolutely do, I ask you to provide me a single function that plot has that Essence wouldn't cover. In general? It's impossible to tell for the "nothin to do with the other", and wrong with "scenar and plot"... I mean, no surprise that "plot manipulation" alters the plot, but the scenary? Feats or nah. That isn't something you can assume is a standard power.
You can't tell that someone resisting mind manip will resist having someone that change the text of his bubble in the manga.
And you can't tell me that someone with resistance to reality-warping that resists their actions being changed through it wouldn't.
You literaly describe only some amount of plot manip and litteraly generalize all of them, the plot can be too the setting of the fictionnal verse (the litteral setting) not the reality of the verse, it's the thing that control that reality in first. Many of the plot i know are litteraly able to change the setting of the verse they are in. Except if you want to tell that all fictionnal story are not fictionnal story i don't understand your add on this all the verse we talk here are fictionnal.
I generalize... because you started talking of the power generally ("I wasn't trying to argue about meng hao vs sinbad"). If we aren't speaking of this fight, then we are speaking of the general mechanics of plot manipulation.
"Many of the plot i know"
doesn't matter. Because those many aren't
all, and their powers' mechanics are verse specific. Many of the fire users I know can only control ambient flames and not conjure it out of thing air. That doesn't mean that applies to all fire users.
Some of the perso i know litteraly laugh at that, they don't give much about a being of their verse being higher dimmensionnal that them since their are still part of the setting of the fictional story so they can still do what they want to them as one control the setting and the other is a part of the setting, he can change the reality he will only change the reality inside of his verse and never change the setting itself
Please read what I say: "when the enemy reality warping is of a higher dimension
than your plot manipulation". Their physical body isn't part of the equation. Someone higher dimensional than the plot manipulation itself is what I was talking about.
So like i tell if you want tell that concept type 1 give resistance of plot manip,
Again, depends on what the type 1 concept manipulates. But plot manipulation without feats is tier 2
at most, it will never be able to affect a 1-A thing.
that creating and contains everything in existance(and existing beyond them) mean that you have created and be beyond thing like plot when that was never mentioned in your verse,
Being beyond the type 1 concept of beginnings and endings alone, would mean that "the main
events of a play, novel, film, or similar work, devised and presented by the writer as an
interrelated sequence" doesn't apply to you.
or if you want to tell that plot manip is subject reality and so if you resist subject reality you resist plot manip then make a CRT.
Why would I? "Oh, you want to tell me that this character resists manipulation because they have empathic manipulation resistance? Then make a crt, those two names are obviously different." See above, about how the title of a power means nothing.
