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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

Gengar and other fully evolved Pokémon (plz add like this) completely neg-diffs Travis Touchdown, therefore should be the 10th place of H7A
 
I recommend ascended Shibai for 8th spot in Unknown and base Shibai for last place in 4-B for now
 
I recommend ascended Shibai for 8th spot in Unknown and base Shibai for last place in 4-B for now
He has 2-B range
 
I ain't scared of you or your rat. Anyways:


The next battle commences.
So uh, nobody has responded to this thread or really given any actual counterarguments to Koro's victory for the past few days. I feel like he can move over Bunny at this point.
 
I'd say we should wait a day or two, considering it is 1/1 currently, the forum was closed for a day, and people are likely just hanging out with their family/friends at that time.
 
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So going by these two revisions (one of which was already accepted) it seems like Arifureta are gonna become 4-D smurfs. So Hajime and the rest of the cast will need to be removed from 5-C and Low 5-B if the second revision goes through.

To help fill 5-C out Ganondorf (Don't know why he was removed) for an empty spot, and Yhwach.
 
the list is outdate but whatever. anyway remove this guy, he and his verse is Low 1-A now. Well since Low 1-A is empty (wtf?, why?), just put his verse in #1 spot, for now
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So going by these two revisions (one of which was already accepted) it seems like Arifureta are gonna become 4-D smurfs. So Hajime and the rest of the cast will need to be removed from 5-C and Low 5-B if the second revision goes through.

To help fill 5-C out Ganondorf (Don't know why he was removed) for an empty spot, and Yhwach.
Removed + added
Characters from Super Sentai for both Low 2-C (AkaNinger, Lupin Red and Shishi Red Orion) & 2-C (Zenkaizer and Ryusoul Red)
Added
 
Remove all cradle characters uh...Except for High 6-A ones, as I don't think heralds are smurfs. because they are going to become outversal smurfs soon, and it has already been accepted so...
Remove ozriel from Low 5-B, Lindon from 5-C,5-B, 5-A, 4-A and 3-A
 
1. Characters from Owari no Chronicle (Typhon and Susamikado)

2. Characters from I Reincarnated For Nothing (Arpe and Maetel)

3. Void Entity

Shooting from the hip here but... all of the above seem to have NO resistance to Void Entity's passives. Or Possession because Typhon and Susamikado lack NPI to deal with him popping up in spirit next to them. OR slamming them from SBA range via his Corruption.

I don't know how Owari's concept manip interacts with a purely supernatural passive like that, but I know Arpe and Maetel ain't got shit on it.

So uh... VE takes #1 8-A?
 
1. Characters from Owari no Chronicle (Typhon and Susamikado)

2. Characters from I Reincarnated For Nothing (Arpe and Maetel)

3. Void Entity

Shooting from the hip here but... all of the above seem to have NO resistance to Void Entity's passives. Or Possession because Typhon and Susamikado lack NPI to deal with him popping up in spirit next to them. OR slamming them from SBA range via his Corruption.

I don't know how Owari's concept manip interacts with a purely supernatural passive like that, but I know Arpe and Maetel ain't got shit on it.

So uh... VE takes #1 8-A?
Does anyone take issue with this?
 
So uh, nobody has responded to this thread or really given any actual counterarguments to Koro's victory for the past few days. I feel like he can move over Bunny at this point.
So, I've waited like 3 days, still nobody has bothered to directly address my points and the only thing that's changed (or was always a thing but just nobody knew) is the fact that they start 4 KM away which only makes it easier for Koro to win. I dont want it to seem like I'm trying to rush him up the list, but, do I still have to wait?
 
So, I've waited like 3 days, still nobody has bothered to directly address my points and the only thing that's changed (or was always a thing but just nobody knew) is the fact that they start 4 KM away which only makes it easier for Koro to win. I dont want it to seem like I'm trying to rush him up the list, but, do I still have to wait?
As it stands nobody has agreed with your position in that thread yet. You need a majority of the votes at minimum.

Does anyone take issue with this?
As far as I'm concerned that's fine.
 
As it stands nobody has agreed with your position in that thread yet. You need a majority of the votes at minimum.
Nobody has agreed or disagreed with either of us so far. I'm just trying not to bombard the thread with bumps for input around the new year, though like I said I'm also not trying to rush, hence I asked if I needed to wait longer. Having too much free time while also respecting people's schedules is a b*tch.
 
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Nobody has agreed or disagreed with either of us so far. I'm just trying not to bombard the thread with bumps for input around the new year, though like I said I'm also not trying to rush, hence I asked if I needed to wait longer. Having too much free time while also respecting people's schedules is a b*tch.
I have disagreed with you, iirc
 
You asked me if I was calling the scene DT was using as evidence PIS, I said it's not PIS he's just ignoring context, you asked for scenes pertaining to his standard mindset, I provided a scan and a range of manga chapters you could read, and then you didn't respond again.
 
You asked me if I was calling the scene DT was using as evidence PIS, I said it's not PIS he's just ignoring context, you asked for scenes pertaining to his standard mindset, I provided a scan and a range of manga chapters you could read, and then you didn't respond again.
Oh yeah, ur right, my apologies
Imma check the scans before sleeping
 
This won't be fun.
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Removed + added

Added
1. Characters from Owari no Chronicle (Typhon and Susamikado)

2. Characters from I Reincarnated For Nothing (Arpe and Maetel)

3. Void Entity

Shooting from the hip here but... all of the above seem to have NO resistance to Void Entity's passives. Or Possession because Typhon and Susamikado lack NPI to deal with him popping up in spirit next to them. OR slamming them from SBA range via his Corruption.

I don't know how Owari's concept manip interacts with a purely supernatural passive like that, but I know Arpe and Maetel ain't got shit on it.

So uh... VE takes #1 8-A?
As far as I'm concerned that's fine.
Put Void Entity at #1 8-A please.
 
Protagonist-Kun is either talked out of battle or stomped by Classic John Constantine (with Wishing Matches restricted, of course), so I advocate for Constantine to be the new #1 in 9-C

Reasoning for stomp in case of battle:
Constantine has every single ability in his profile available to him except this single one
Reality Warping (By lighting the Wishing Matches,[107] John can make a wish, as shown when he took away the power of[108] God Swamp Thing if he so chooses)

Reasoning for talking out of battle and gg:
John Constantine usually solves his complications via talking his way outta them, and is used to going out fine while messing with higher entities capable of stuff like Plot Manip and etc.
For the record, too:
Social Influencing (Sold his soul to the devil only to threaten The Presence into cancelling that deal, convincing it that he would be able to take over Hell, then wage and win war against Heaven.[17] Tricked the First of the Fallen into drinking holy water to save the soul of a friend.[18] By pretending to be eager to sell his soul,[19] conned a demon into thinking the market on souls was about to crash so that in his rage he would get rid of his underlings, who were about to kill him. Has terrified people[1] into giving him information on various occasions.[20] Scared off more than a hundred magicians,[21] all more powerful than him, by using his reputation and possibly some unknown form of magic. Can sneak subliminal, hypnotic messaging in his speech.[22] Routinely makes large sums of money in poker.[23] Walked into a police investigation and convinced them into following his orders just through his attitude.[24] After reading their memories, can make people go from threatening him to crying on the floor in a few sentences.[25] Can cause mundane objects to become magical just by convincing others that they are[26])

With the addition of a tremendous outsmart.
Gifted, though lacks common sense
Intelligence: At least Genius. John is very knowledgeable in occult matters,[79] and is expert in various kinds of magic, such as clairvoyance, summoning voodoo, necromancy and many others, and can even combine them in spells of his own creation.[83] As better detailed in his Social Influencing and Preparation sections in his Powers & Abilities, John is an incredibly clever talker and planner, with his sheer ability to convince people bordering on the supernatural and his wit in coming up with ploys being second to no one, not to mention a skilled detective, as shown when he tracked down a criminal that had evaded the police for his whole life in seemingly less than a day.[12]

So everything implies that it is very likely for the battle to look like Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Traffic Stormtrooper, though through sheer talking:
 
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