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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

I do, it is something that isn't even considered to be true or false because it acts as the basic laws underlying any system that invokes or involves them
They are by definition type 1
That seems like a bunch of assumptions made for a verse that doesn't delve deeply into it (atleast going by the scans in the profile), by that logic mario is a platonic BEAST because it briefly mentioned the republic of plato, and the void.

Considering said Ice is functioning based on rules in the first place, its CM 1 against Laws, so
And even if that doesn't work, he just uses his rule of death and/or nukes reality, time stops, etc
Which can't affect her Conceptual based immortality, can we just concede and say that they share spot because they literally can't kill each other.
 
That seems like a bunch of assumptions made for a verse that doesn't delve deeply into it (atleast going by the scans in the profile), by that logic mario is a platonic BEAST because it briefly mentioned the republic of plato, and the void.
Considering the thing this is mentioned in relation to is about space and how things change in position as you move through it (as in literally getting closer or farther to something else), I would argue otherwise, and once more, its supporting evidence
Also whataboutism
Which can't affect her Conceptual based immortality, can we just concede and say that they share spot because they literally can't kill each other.
The immortality will not help when she becomes unable to do anything in the void or whatever fucky state is left behind after existence is nuked, because you need feats for that, feats Wei Huo does have
 
Considering the thing this is mentioned in relation to is about space and how things change in position as you move through it (as in literally getting closer or farther to something else), I would argue otherwise, and once more, its supporting evidence
Supporting evidence isn't enough by his own, otherwise it wouldn't just be supporting evidence.
Also whataboutism
I guess an example of what I mean is whataboutism.
The immortality will not help when she becomes unable to do anything in the void or whatever fucky state is left behind after existence is nuked, because you need feats for that, feats Wei Huo does have
A.) Why would wei huo do that in a timely manner, or even do that to begin with
B.) She can just nope out of there using plot manip
C.) By that logic she can just kill the concept of casuality for Wei, and left him stranded.
 
I mean Wei Huo resist to plot manipulation, all rules since his first key (including death), and his rule would kill things that try to affect him and by killing he gets stronger, everymoment something dies and thus his power is ever growing.

He already exist beyond death or life. He can interact with beings like himself while she doesn't. He doesn't need to kill her but devour using the Devouring Rule.

He simply can jump from stories and even connect the story of someone with reality or reverse it though his Fantasy Reality Bridge.
 
i will not be racist today!
Today!??

so i noticed that Eugard hasnt been added alongside Sirius in tier 7A
and aside from that Arthas shouldnt be in tier 6A because he has no key for that tier anymore
For Tier 6-A
Eugard wins against Garou because Garou has no win cons
Luffy and Kaidou simply cant do anything because of The Fiend sword and pain manipulation
Inuyasha is MH+ while Eugard is FTL so he wins because of the massive speed gap
Waddle Dee doesnt have any way to deal with the passive pain manipulation and cm type 2 spatial manipulation (and also probably gets blitzed)
Kidou En is literally hypersonic, gets blitzed
dont know which characters in Ergenverse are there, so i will stop here for now. This means Eugard would be rank 3 in tier 6A
What about....... no

Plz, explain how his haxs works and how he blitz with equal speed?

Unless he has something like passive Plot/CM/EE/etc (Something very straight up), you have to to give a little explanation about what he can do
 
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What about....... no

Plz, explain how his haxs works and how he blitz with equal speed?
Well he went from fighting a sub relativistic character and was around his level, then fought a tier 6A with FTL speeds and grew with his AD in a matter of seconds/minutes
Most of the fighters aren't FTL and even if they are(or faster) they would just get be taken over
He also has passive pain manipulation which is basically layered because people with broken pain resistance like for eg An assassin who give no reaction even if they were torn to pieces or heavily damaged, were basically instantly incapped and begged Eugard to kill him
His Fiend sword is a cm type 2 weapon with its own will which can cut whatever is attacking it along with its source permanently
He used this to destroy a furry's voice box and the magic item by cutting the sound attack that he was being attacked with
He also has the yang sword which has Soul and body Erasure and since in ReZero Soul=mind, not even low godly regen can save you
He also has low godly regen himself so killing him wouldn't do anything
Unless he has something like passive Plot/CM/EE/etc (Something very straight up), you have to to give a little explanation about what he can do
I gave a general briefing, I will also add that the curse of the thorns (the passive pain manipulation) is actually more of an abstract pain

The pain of the Curse of Thorns is so intense that even the zombies of the Great Disaster cannot approach Eugard, despite them feeling no pain when having their whole torso shattered or having their body and soul burned to ash. A total physiological inability to feel pain is necessary to escape their agony.
 
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Well he went from fighting a sub relativistic character and was around his level, then fought a tier 6A with FTL speeds and grew with his AD in a matter of seconds/minutes
Most of the fighters aren't FTL and even if they are(or faster) they would just get be taken over
He also has passive pain manipulation which is basically layered because people with broken pain resistance like for eg An assassin who give no reaction even if they were torn to pieces or heavily damaged, were basically instantly incapped and begged Eugard to kill him
His Fiend sword is a cm type 2 weapon with its own will which can cut whatever is attacking it along with its source permanently
He used this to destroy a furry's voice box and the magic item by cutting the sound attack that he was being attacked with
He also has the yang sword which has Soul and body Erasure and since in ReZero Soul=mind, not even low godly regen can save you
He also has low godly regen himself so killing him wouldn't do anything

I gave a general briefing, I will also add that the curse of the thorns (the passive pain manipulation) is actually more of an abstract pain
Ohhhhh, I assumed you were going for a speed unequal spot.

I mean, not sure if the speed thing even works like you claim. The quote to the AD says "For the purpose of self-defence his sword could be trained as much as was necessary due to his unique circumstance, but naught more than that had been required."
It sounds to me like he only grows faster and more skilled when fighting an opponent who is faster or more skilled.

Second, Kidou can resist what he does and her Information Type 2 petrification does him in. When in doubt that can be done before AD can advance him much and is a non-projectile AoE effect that isn't really dodgable with that level of advantage anyway.
 
Ohhhhh, I assumed you were going for a speed unequal spot.
i was in fact going for a speed unequal spot, but i was also replying to him saying smth about speed equal
I mean, not sure if the speed thing even works like you claim. The quote to the AD says "For the purpose of self-defence his sword could be trained as much as was necessary due to his unique circumstance, but naught more than that had been required."
sword here refers to his sword skill if i am not wrong and i dont think that would necessarily apply to his physical stats as well
Second, Kidou can resist what he does and her Information Type 2 petrification does him in. When in doubt that can be done before AD can advance him much and is a non-projectile AoE effect that isn't really dodgable with that level of advantage anyway.
Kidou would fall victim to his passive first which would allow Eugard to casually do her in
 
sword here refers to his sword skill if i am not wrong and i dont think that would necessarily apply to his physical stats as well
I don't see the separation being made here. Given that, I would want to see evidence of him boosting speed against someone slower.
Kidou would fall victim to his passive first which would allow Eugard to casually do her in
Resisted.
 
he hasnt fought anybody weaker than him on screen iirc
Well, then I don't think that argument works.
nope, normal pain resistance is not enough since i doubt her resistance is better than literal zombies who give no reaction on having their bodies, mind and soul erased
Her resistance prevents the pain from happening to start with, so it doesn't really matter how strong it is.
Or if we wanna get specific: There is a thing called Divine Rank. Each level of Divine Rank increases resistance to everything (in the verse). From highest to lowest the Ranks are World, Space, Heaven, Planet, Realm, Region, Country, Metropolis, City, Town, Village, House, Room, Hidden, and Empty. Kidou is at the Country Rank.
I don't know whether that technique causes pain by altering body, mind or soul, but whatever it is, to make any alteration at all it needs to get through the corresponding amount of resistance.
So just hurting someone who doesn't flinch at getting killed isn't going to cut it.
 
Well, then I don't think that argument works.
still has no answer to the hypersonic vs FTL speed gap though 🗿
Her resistance prevents the pain from happening to start with, so it doesn't really matter how strong it is.
Or if we wanna get specific: There is a thing called Divine Rank. Each level of Divine Rank increases resistance to everything (in the verse). From highest to lowest the Ranks are World, Space, Heaven, Planet, Realm, Region, Country, Metropolis, City, Town, Village, House, Room, Hidden, and Empty. Kidou is at the Country Rank.
I don't know whether that technique causes pain by altering body, mind or soul, but whatever it is, to make any alteration at all it needs to get through the corresponding amount of resistance.
So just hurting someone who doesn't flinch at getting killed isn't going to cut it.
Resistance to Curse or Pain Manip is not on the profile, so "resisting everything in the verse" with no evidence that those two are resisted is a meaningless statement
 
Tier 5-B:
From what I saw, Asura should be above these in 5-B.
He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.

And in 2-C he can go here.
 
He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.
Yang has like 40 layers of passive, dude.
 
He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.
Yang Kai can't mess with his soul in this key, but the chaos and space hax is resisted, but not the madness hax, so he should take the spot
 
He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.
Don't want to try my fat dragon~?
 
From what I saw, Asura should be above these in 5-B.

He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.


And in 2-C he can go here.
He can take the place of Makino and the Elementors, they are high 5-A and tier 4, it is already accepted in the thread, I am simply making the justifications and I am delaying out of laziness
 
so i noticed that Eugard hasnt been added alongside Sirius in tier 7A
and aside from that Arthas shouldnt be in tier 6A because he has no key for that tier anymore
For Tier 6-A
Eugard wins against Garou because Garou has no win cons
Luffy and Kaidou simply cant do anything because of The Fiend sword and pain manipulation
Inuyasha is MH+ while Eugard is FTL so he wins because of the massive speed gap
Waddle Dee doesnt have any way to deal with the passive pain manipulation and cm type 2 spatial manipulation (and also probably gets blitzed)
Kidou En is literally hypersonic, gets blitzed
dont know which characters in Ergenverse are there, so i will stop here for now. This means Eugard would be rank 3 in tier 6A
bump x3
 
Today!??


What about....... no

Plz, explain how his haxs works and how he blitz with equal speed?

Unless he has something like passive Plot/CM/EE/etc (Something very straight up), you have to to give a little explanation about what he can do
i did explain how he wins against everybody else on the list
 
still has no answer to the hypersonic vs FTL speed gap though 🗿
Which isn't a thing in speed equal. Don't care about speed unequal spots. Countless haxless characters could get the spot that way.
Resistance to Curse or Pain Manip is not on the profile, so "resisting everything in the verse" with no evidence that those two are resisted is a meaningless statement
Way to ignore the entire argument I already gave you? Again, unless you can tell me how the curse causes pain without affecting, say, Kidou's mind it won't work. The mechanism of the whole thing runs into a resistance.
To quote the resistance page:
Specific resistances do not necessarily translate to broad ones, though resisting a versatile power with many applications (such as Mind Manipulation) may provide a similarly expansive defense.
As it stands your argument is basically "sure, she resists water, but what if I mix purple dye in". It's not different from things she resists to a relevant extend.

Incidentally, curses are part of the power system
“I think most gods of most mythologies would kill you or curse you for asking them that.”
“Yes, that is how the Kojiki describes it, but the Nihon Shoki says that Iwanaga-hime resented Konohana Sakuya-hime and shortened her descendants’ lives with a curse.”
“Let’s say that Senpai-san is good looking. But she carried a certain curse that made her into an ‘ugly’ being. However, Ninigi’s rejection purified her, she lost that ‘ugliness’, and she appeared in her original pure form.”
so worst case I have to do part of the upcoming CRT of the verse a little early.

From what I saw, Asura should be above these in 5-B.

He is faster than most of them, has low godly regen, passive chaos, spatial, madness 3 hax, his soul is gonna be impossible for them to interact with besides Yang Kai depending which key Yang's placed as. He should be able to at most incap or outright kill through his madness also.
Going for the speed unequal spot?
If he kills Karma he turns into her due to her enchanted bracelet. So... she wins by becoming him.
 
Going for the speed unequal spot?
If he kills Karma he turns into her due to her enchanted bracelet. So... she wins by becoming him.
He should still win against some in equal haven't looked all too much. And seeing that that spell says body and mind, does that include soul as well? And if it does, how does that interact with souls in Soul Eater?
 
He should still win against some in equal haven't looked all too much. And seeing that that spell says body and mind, does that include soul as well? And if it does, how does that interact with souls in Soul Eater?
It doesn't. So the Kishin's soul stays, but his body and mind are now Karma's. So Karma gets a Kishin level soul, I guess.
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It doesn't. So the Kishin's soul stays, but his body and mind are now Karma's. So Karma gets a Kishin level soul, I guess.
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The soul and mind are connected. There’s also the potential Asura just takes over her body like he could with Crona.
 
Which isn't a thing in speed equal. Don't care about speed unequal spots. Countless haxless characters could get the spot that way.

Way to ignore the entire argument I already gave you? Again, unless you can tell me how the curse causes pain without affecting, say, Kidou's mind it won't work. The mechanism of the whole thing runs into a resistance.
To quote the resistance page:

As it stands your argument is basically "sure, she resists water, but what if I mix purple dye in". It's not different from things she resists to a relevant extend.
She DOESNT resist pain manipulation in anyway, nor does she resist curse manipulation. If she does, add it on to her page. Soul Manipulation and LIMITED Mind manipulation resistance are NOT enough to deal with a passive curse that causes pain to the mind body and soul, instantly incapacitating his enemies.
Incidentally, curses are part of the power system



so worst case I have to do part of the upcoming CRT of the verse a little early.
In that case, until you make the CRT, Eugard will be taking her spot
 
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