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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Spinoirr
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Well he got upgraded
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Tier 6 number 5 spot.
Which character from Arifureta specifically represents that spot?
Which character from Arifureta specifically represents that spot?
EL_xWatcher1234x
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Most of them
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I mean for a character to be put in an equal ranking as Arifureta characters, which character am I supposed to match up with to do so? Not sure if I can even match a certain character with every single 6-C arifureta character, since it'd be a doozy to do all of them.
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Also for a character to advance the rankings, this character has to beat the others in both speed equal and unequal, right? I know it's common knowledge, but I just wanted confirmation.
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Subaru vs Morgan Yu(top 15 strongest non smurf )
Morgan Yu vs Subaru yeah this match....is a 💀 Anyways, its the last key Subaru with beatrice and patrasche SBA
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A conclusion in that topic was never really reached.
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I see, shall we find a conclusion on that?
What does the majority think about it? Both speeds or speed unequal/equal?
What does the majority think about it? Both speeds or speed unequal/equal?
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As far as I am concerned, Speed Equal and Unequal should essentially function as separate lists. So if you want a speed equal spot you only have to defeat the characters placed for speed equal matches. If you want to get speed unequal spots you only have to beat characters that have their ranking for speed unequal.
In practice characters often (implicitely) hold both spots, as at the higher levels of hax speed often stops being relevant.
In practice characters often (implicitely) hold both spots, as at the higher levels of hax speed often stops being relevant.
CodeCCLL
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We have already discussed this issue recently... I am explaining my thoughts starting from this comment.
That's an option too, but given that managing even a single thread overwhelms OP's, does anyone want to manage these threads on an ongoing basis?
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Now that I've caught up, I see.
Same sentiment, this will be better at differentiating speed equalization shenanigans but at the expense of OP's time.
We can leave it to how OP (and prob admins and other honchos) decides to handle it.
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How we deal with incons is a separate problem from the speed equal/unequal spots, because incons are essentially a case by case thing
Yes, they can overlap (which is what that comment is about) but they're separate.
It's still just a single thread and the amount of unequal spots isn't that high, since, as DT pointed out, it will at some time get to a point where it doesn't matter.
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Still a list based on unequal speed stands a chance of no longer identifying the strongest but the fastest. The average unhaxed joe can basically nab a spot for blitzing to hell and back unless the opponent has passives
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When did anyone say the list would be based on unequal speed?
CodeCCLL
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In a strongest character list that states that a character must defeat the holders of those spots in order to take higher spots, can you explain why the speed stat should not be part of the character's power?
Then, let's rename the list to "top 15 most haxed non-smurf characters" because after a point, haxs usually make all stats useless.
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Normally speed unequal is done here when a contending character has a chance of winning with that rule but a new list done with
Cause it's no longer about the strongest but the fastest. Hax does determine the strongest not to mention some characters here hold their spot thanks to higher AP so it's not all about hax. Some matches can be held with speed unequal if they're already close to each other but you can have a rando who randomly scales absurdly high in speed grab a spot by winning via a blitz or inconning cause others can't even touch them.
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But there's rules that requires beating your opponent and not just being untouchable to them so speed should also fall under that which is the reason the placements are decided with speed equal.
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Looking at Hajime's profile, I'm a bit concerned on how these two particular abilities work:
- Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Every ancient magic manipulate some fundamental abstract concept, they control the core elements that govern the laws of the world, can influence and alter the fundamental laws of the universe, as they are the underlying principles that gover the very universe)
- Existence Erasure and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. Concept magic let the user create and manipulate any concept they desire without limit, there were no rules, no restrictions to what could be done with it,[50] it truly was the ultimate type of magic. It doesn’t fall under any category of ancient magic and can't be analyzed, overcome or affected in any way with ancient magic, even after master ancient magic and be able to use the essence of each ancient magic, it was beyond even ancient magic, and thus can only be affected by other concept magic.[13] Due to having Yue taken from him, Hajime created the concept of deny all existences,[51] which overwrite a person's information from existing to doesn't exist, usually however creating concepts requires him to sit down concentrate on raising his wish to the conceptual level; hence it typically is more useful for preparation time than in combat, though if pushed to the limit Hajime is able use it)
EL_xWatcher1234x
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If the character can't resist Law and CM, don't bother. Maybe use the second key.
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The law and cm is in the post evolution key mate.
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Soo uhh even the second key (post evolution) has the Law Manip and CM type 2. So uhh should I just not bother at all in the end?
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So if the character I'm going to propose soon defeats this guy, would this character be at the same spot ranking as the other characters?
Otherwise I'll just gun for sixth spot with Daphne instead.
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I'll just go the safe route and just go for Daphne instead.
Speaking of proposal, this is the character. He's powerful enough to contend with some of those in the 6-C list. (Final 6-C key)
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I'll get the speed equal match started after some time.
Speaking of proposal, this is the character. He's powerful enough to contend with some of those in the 6-C list. (Final 6-C key)
Kamen Rider Kuuga
Yusuke Godai (五代 雄介, Godai Yūsuke) is the main protagonist of Kamen Rider Kuuga. He was a happy-go-lucky honest individual who traveled around the world mastering 2000 different skills and talents that he used to help others. One day, he found himself drawn to a mysterious stone belt and faced...
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I'll get the speed equal match started after some time.
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5-B match? (Just generally)I'll just go the safe route and just go for Daphne instead.
Speaking of proposal, this is the character. He's powerful enough to contend with some of those in the 6-C list. (Final 6-C key)
Kamen Rider Kuuga
Yusuke Godai (五代 雄介, Godai Yūsuke) is the main protagonist of Kamen Rider Kuuga. He was a happy-go-lucky honest individual who traveled around the world mastering 2000 different skills and talents that he used to help others. One day, he found himself drawn to a mysterious stone belt and faced...
I'll get the speed equal match started after some time.
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From a glance, Kuuga might just be cooked since he doesn't really have NPI to damage Ragnaros and most of what Ultimate Kuuga can do is probably countered by him. I do see that he doesn't actually resist Overwhelming Aura, Matter and Plasma Manip tho.
I will ask around my peers if they see something I don't along with me actually looking more clearly with the profiles, seeing as Ultimate Kuuga does retain his previous forms' abilities and resistances.
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OA probably needs a feat of working on someone like Rag(That is an Elemental), and honestly matter Manipulation if it's not just delete Rag might be the way to go.
Main issue with him though is that his heat can damage folks who can tank 15 million celcius stuff, so melee is suicide. Honestly Al'Akir might be the much better way to go
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Kuuga did tank plasma spawning inside of him, where did the 15 million Celsius came from, if I may ask?
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I mean Plasma heat got proven to vary and you need specific proof for the 150 million crap
As for the heat on Rag, certain Titanforged are Forged in stars, and several Titan creations are literal constellations, so star heat is unironically consistent for Rag to damage via sheer heat
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While Kuuga might be able to match Ragnaros (very unlikely atm), I think this person may also give him a run for his money, though there's still the problem of him not having NPI as usual.
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Kamen Rider OOO
Eiji Hino (火野 映司, Hino Eiji?) is the main protagonist of Kamen Rider OOO. He is a 21-year-old homeless traveller who was the son of a politician. When traveling to Africa, he befriended a little girl named Ruu and attempted to use his fortune to help her struggling village. Unfortunately, this...
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That... doesn't look sufficient lolWhile Kuuga might be able to match Ragnaros (very unlikely atm), I think this person may also give him a run for his money, though there's still the problem of him not having NPI as usual.
Kamen Rider OOO
Eiji Hino (火野 映司, Hino Eiji?) is the main protagonist of Kamen Rider OOO. He is a 21-year-old homeless traveller who was the son of a politician. When traveling to Africa, he befriended a little girl named Ruu and attempted to use his fortune to help her struggling village. Unfortunately, this...
Like maybe if they range spam? Otherwise Al'akir is the better matching option(On the 5-B list It's actually Deathwing, not Ragnaros, who's the WoW placeholder)
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While it is obviously better than Ragnaros, the riders still suffer from lacking NPI among other things, rendering them probably unable to harm him too. OOO has ranged stuff, compared to Kuuga.
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Well if they have a hax like Matter Manipulation that doesn't care about Interactions when it comes to Elemental stuff, and it's not just like, full Reinhard Van Astra delete that general direction, it'd actually make a for a decent match
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Kuuga's Matter Manip comes from this:
-Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Plasma Manipulation (By manipulating the atoms and molecules of matter, he turns the surrounding materials into plasma and ignites the matter, setting the target instantly with super-heated flames.[51][52][50][34] Kuuga can also manipulate plasma from the atmosphere to cause ignition phenomena and emit plasma ions from his hands[53])
Also to answer your question, idk about OA because Kuuga hasn't really fought something like the elementals.
OOO has more stuff but I'm currently balancing my activities by checking the profiles while simultaneously chilling in a morrowind playthrough.
-Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Plasma Manipulation (By manipulating the atoms and molecules of matter, he turns the surrounding materials into plasma and ignites the matter, setting the target instantly with super-heated flames.[51][52][50][34] Kuuga can also manipulate plasma from the atmosphere to cause ignition phenomena and emit plasma ions from his hands[53])
Also to answer your question, idk about OA because Kuuga hasn't really fought something like the elementals.
OOO has more stuff but I'm currently balancing my activities by checking the profiles while simultaneously chilling in a morrowind playthrough.
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Ah, so... really not the haxxy variety(when it comes to either character), unfortunate, looks like I'll have to hunt elsewhere for matches
Good choice that one!
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You mean OOO, morrowind or both?
Both is good lol.
OOO has some stuff that can help him. Since OOO has multiple forms, there's a bit of notable stuff from each forms among other things:
- Spatial Manipulation and Durability Negation with Medajaribur (Can use Medajaribur to fire waves of energy and slice through not only targeted opponents, but the fabric of reality itself)
- Duplication (Gatakiriba can quickly spawn a vast amount of clones, all of which are just as strong as OOO himself. On top of this, the clones can even transform into the other Complete Combos)
- Gravity Manipulation and Earth Manipulation (Using Sagohzo, OOO is able to trap enemies in the ground as well as pull them towards himself with these two abilities)
- Energy Projection and Homing Attack (Tajador can create energy peacock tail feathers to direct at opponents)
- Summoning (While OOO could originally only summon the Medagabryu from the ground as Putotyra, he later displayed the ability to do in other forms)
- Energy Projection (The Medagabryu allows him to perform the Strain Doom blast)
- Void Manipulation (The Medagaburyu Axe has the ability to damage, if not completely destroy, the Core Medals of the other Greeed. The Core Medals itself are forms of artificial life and manifestations of desire, the Purple Core Medals are antithesis to and can completely erase other Core Medals)
For this list however, I've seen characters using higher tiered attacks so I'm pretty sure he can use this here.
(EDIT: Just saying he has this, not he can probably contend with it. Just a noting of notable stuff he has)
Atm I'm just going to have Kuuga get a spot at 6-C ranking because I have a revision that I'm cooking up while also balancing stuff with my IRL stuff and procrastination. OOO will come later.
