Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Tatsumi504]

I'll just go the safe route and just go for Daphne instead.
Speaking of proposal, this is the character. He's powerful enough to contend with some of those in the 6-C list. (Final 6-C key)

Kamen Rider Kuuga

Yusuke Godai (五代 雄介, Godai Yūsuke) is the main protagonist of Kamen Rider Kuuga. He was a happy-go-lucky honest individual who traveled around the world mastering 2000 different skills and talents that he used to help others. One day, he found himself drawn to a mysterious stone belt and faced...

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I'll get the speed equal match started after some time.

He'd need to beat those lower on the list before going for higher spots

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

4th spot in 6-C:

Hajime N. vs Kakine T. (0-0-0)

Reviving this match Conditions : speed equalized Hajime Nagumo (3rd key) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hajime_Nagumo Vs Kakine Teitoku (post revival) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakine_Teitoku Hajime : Kakine : Inconclusive :

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[EL_xWatcher1234x]

4th spot in 6-C:

Hajime N. vs Kakine T. (0-0-0)

Reviving this match Conditions : speed equalized Hajime Nagumo (3rd key) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hajime_Nagumo Vs Kakine Teitoku (post revival) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kakine_Teitoku Hajime : Kakine : Inconclusive :

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Doesn't look like Kakine could win against Arifureta. Give them his spot.

 

[Shadowslash125]

He'd need to beat those lower on the list before going for higher spots

Noted, he'll deal with the summoner war characters, then get up each step.

 

[Dragonite007]

Noted, he'll deal with the summoner war characters, then get up each step.

What he have against soul hax?

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What can Xue Ying do in 6-C ?

 

[Megaraptor149]

What he have against soul hax?

Remove Sacred Ancestor from Low 1-C. Because he got Low 1-C AP through Smurfs thing, not through physically.

 

[Shadowslash125]

What he have against soul hax?

He doesn't have resistance to soul hax but...
Looking at their profiles, none of them resist this:

• Overwhelming Aura and Fear Manipulation (Should have the same overwhelming presence as Daguva, whose sheer aura of killing intent emanating from his body could intimidate and revert Kuuga in his Pegasus Form back to his Growing Form, with Yusuke describing it as if being crushed)

Which is not only passive (to my knowledge) but also has a very wide range and will crush them first thing so that Kuuga can finish them off.

Kuuga can also teleport in Ultimate form and judging from Lich King's scans, his soul hax comes from above.
Not to mention having an instantaneous attack just by raising his hand which he starts off in character.

• Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Plasma Manipulation (By manipulating the atoms and molecules of matter, he turns the surrounding materials into plasma and ignites the matter, setting the target instantly with super-heated flames. Kuuga can also manipulate plasma from the atmosphere to cause ignition phenomena and emit plasma ions from his hands)

 

[Dragonite007]

He doesn't have resistance to soul hax but...
Looking at their profiles, none of them resist this:

• Overwhelming Aura and Fear Manipulation (Should have the same overwhelming presence as Daguva, whose sheer aura of killing intent emanating from his body could intimidate and revert Kuuga in his Pegasus Form back to his Growing Form, with Yusuke describing it as if being crushed)

Which is not only passive (to my knowledge) but also has a very wide range and will crush them first thing so that Kuuga can finish them off.

Ancient Lich force field, can powernull every attacks, buff and debuff in SW, what includes: Provoke and the Fear debuff.

Kuuga can also teleport in Ultimate form and judging from Lich King's scans, his soul hax comes from above.
Not to mention having an instantaneous attack just by raising his hand which he starts off in character.

• Fire Manipulation, Matter Manipulation (Atomic) and Plasma Manipulation (By manipulating the atoms and molecules of matter, he turns the surrounding materials into plasma and ignites the matter, setting the target instantly with super-heated flames. Kuuga can also manipulate plasma from the atmosphere to cause ignition phenomena and emit plasma ions from his hands)

Lich barrier can powernull John's attacks wich are plasma-based.

He also can become invisible and intangible to get near Kuuga

 

[deonment]

What can Xue Ying do in 6-C ?

He does resist the concept and law hax, but it doesn't really matter anyways since I don't actually see anything that can deal with Xue Ying physical body existing in a separate "dimension" (and his body control being really silly, though I notice it for some reason isn't on the profile anymore, so shrug) along with using extreme piercing that spawns inside you and ***** with space, time, matter, energy and laws along with moving faster than teleportation

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

He does resist the concept and law hax, but it doesn't really matter anyways since I don't actually see anything that can deal with Xue Ying physical body existing in a separate "dimension" (and his body control being really silly, though I notice it for some reason isn't on the profile anymore, so shrug) along with using extreme piercing that spawns inside you and ***** with space, time, matter, energy and laws along with moving faster than teleportation

How is he not higher ?

Could he deal with Alva ?

 

[Shadowslash125]

He also can become invisible and intangible to get near Kuuga

Ultimate Kuuga basically inherits Pegasus Form's enhanced senses, which can sense and see invisible targets. Keep in mind that what he gets is a way more powerful enhanced senses due to also retaining Rising Pegasus's more sharpened and potent one.

I think we have something for an actual matchup fight.

What rules will be different from a standard vs matchups? The location?

 

[Dragonite007]

What rules will be different from a standard vs matchups? The location?

Will be SBA

 

[Shadowslash125]

Will be SBA

Even the location? Sure thing then.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

• Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Every ancient magic manipulate some fundamental abstract concept, they control the core elements that govern the laws of the world, can influence and alter the fundamental laws of the universe, as they are the underlying principles that gover the very universe)
• Existence Erasure and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. Concept magic let the user create and manipulate any concept they desire without limit, there were no rules, no restrictions to what could be done with it,[50] it truly was the ultimate type of magic. It doesn’t fall under any category of ancient magic and can't be analyzed, overcome or affected in any way with ancient magic, even after master ancient magic and be able to use the essence of each ancient magic, it was beyond even ancient magic, and thus can only be affected by other concept magic.[13] Due to having Yue taken from him, Hajime created the concept of deny all existences,[51] which overwrite a person's information from existing to doesn't exist, usually however creating concepts requires him to sit down concentrate on raising his wish to the conceptual level; hence it typically is more useful for preparation time than in combat, though if pushed to the limit Hajime is able use it)

Their ancient magic, which is the main type of magic that power their stuff, use both law and concept hax to do shit. The existence erasure and concept type 1 are from blood chains that Hajime can use in his 6-C key, this chains are around him and anything they touch gets erased because at the eyes of the world their information goes from "exist" to "doesn't exist", said erasure is above all types of ancient magic, including time magic so the erased thing can't come back unless you have concept type 1 resistance.

So if the character I'm going to propose soon defeats this guy, would this character be at the same spot ranking as the other characters?

Otherwise I'll just gun for sixth spot with Daphne instead.

Kouki is the weakest of those characters in those tiers (because he is just a guy with a sword, almost no hax), if you want to get the placement try defeating at least two characters from Hajime party, preferably Hajime and Yue since they are the strongest of the party I guess, on the specific case of 6-C there is also Alva besides those two I guess.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Their ancient magic, which is the main type of magic that power their stuff, use both law and concept hax to do shit.

Ah, it's similar in wording to the final fantasy characters utilising magic.
Other than that, nothing else to worry about those haxes, right?

The existence erasure and concept type 1 are from blood chains that Hajime can use in his 6-C key, this chains are around him and anything they touch gets erased because at the eyes of the world their information goes from "exist" to "doesn't exist", said erasure is above all types of ancient magic, including time magic so the erased thing can't come back unless you have concept type 1 resistance.

Ok, so that's all there is to that? So as long as those chains are avoidable, it might make for a good fight.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Kuuga Vs Ancient Lich King

Here Comes A New Challenger! (Kamen Rider Kuuga VS Ancient Lich King)

Made this for Kuuga to contest the 11th spot with Ancient Lich King in the top 15 strongest non-smurf 6-C rankings. Due to the nature of this battle, I can't be as fancy. Battle Conditions: Speeds are equalized Both are at their strongest 6-C keys Everything else unmentioned will be according...

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[Shadowslash125]

Wait, doesn't Kuuga oneshot due to 8x AP diff?

 

[ZeedKZ]

Wait, doesn't Kuuga oneshot due to 8x AP diff?

I feel like you should point that out in the actual versus match.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I feel like you should point that out in the actual versus match.

Didn't Gray already point that out? Right, let me clarify there.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Done and clarified.
Over 14x diff.
If anyone wants to chime in, go ahead, the diff might do the lich in tho.

Kuuga Vs Ancient Lich King

Here Comes A New Challenger! (Kamen Rider Kuuga VS Ancient Lich King)

Made this for Kuuga to contest the 11th spot with Ancient Lich King in the top 15 strongest non-smurf 6-C rankings. Due to the nature of this battle, I can't be as fancy. Battle Conditions: Speeds are equalized Both are at their strongest 6-C keys Everything else unmentioned will be according...

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[Tatsumi504]

You don't have to make a match for every position. Some can be discussed here

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

2. Mephisto

3. Xue Ying

Shouldn't Ying Extreme Piercing **** over Mephisto?

 

[Shadowslash125]

You don't have to make a match for every position. Some can be discussed here

I see. What is the most suitable time for an actual match instead of discussing it here?

 

[ZeedKZ]

I believe you should be the one to decide that considering you proposed the character. Take a look at the characters of the list, their statistics and hacks. And then put Kuuga against the one who you find it the mostly debatable.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Oh right...

 

[Dragonite007]

Oh right...

Put him against Sonic or If you want try a little more, put against Obito or Shiro

 

[Shadowslash125]

Shouldn't we finish the lich battle first?

 

[Dragonite007]

Shouldn't we finish the lich battle first?

Lich will be above Sonic, anyway

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ah if it's like that then you should update the 6-C list to accomodate that.

Put him against Sonic or If you want try a little more, put against Obito or Shiro

So where would the lich be now then, if it's above sonic and we can focus on Obito/Shiro?

 

[Megaraptor149]

Lich will be above Sonic, anyway

Remove Sacred Ancestor from Low 1-C. Because he got Low 1-C AP through Smurfs thing, not through physically.

 

[Dragonite007]

if it's above sonic and we can focus on Obito/Shiro?

Focus on Obito and Shiro

 

[Dragonite007]

Remove Sacred Ancestor from Low 1-C. Because he got Low 1-C AP through Smurfs thing, not through physically.

Removed

Ah if it's like that then you should update the 6-C list to accomodate that.

Changed

 

[XDragnoir]

Normally speed unequal is done here when a contending character has a chance of winning with that rule but a new list done with

It doesn't "stand a chance" because no one is proposing that Unequal speed becomes the sole criteria or anything stupid like that, go read what DT actually wrote.

Some matches can be held with speed unequal if they're already close to each other but you can have a rando who randomly scales absurdly high in speed grab a spot by winning via a blitz or inconning cause others can't even touch them.

1st, when a character defeats someone in speed unequal they share the same spot, so the fast character won't "grab a spot" (you guessed it, that's exactly what we do currently).

2nd, how we deal with incons is a completely different matter as that's not limited to speed unequal matches.

But there's rules that requires beating your opponent and not just being untouchable to them so speed should also fall under that which is the reason the placements are decided with speed equal.

What you're saying doesn't even seem related to what we were discussing to begin with, actually. Again, I recommend that you should read what DT and others were actually talking about.

Also, you do realize thay if you're fast enough to blitz and kill someone... that's indeed a way to "beat your opponent", right? You're talking like speed wasn't a valid way of defeating someone even when it's used to defeat someone (I am aware of stalemates caused by speed gaps, they don't happen 100% of the time tho).

 

[Shadowslash125]

Looking at the sonic profile, he doesn't resist Kuuga's overwhelming aura and fear manipulation, and his extreme temperature isn't enough for his instantaneous plasma ignition.

Focus on Obito and Shiro

Don't we still have to deal with Sasha and Misha?

 

[Livinmeme]

Looking at the sonic profile, he doesn't resist Kuuga's overwhelming aura and fear manipulation, and his extreme temperature isn't enough for his instantaneous plasma ignition.


Don't we still have to deal with Sasha and Misha?

Isn't sonic heat manip able to melt massive chunks of metal? That is far more impressive than basic bitch plasma manipulation

 

[Shadowslash125]

heat manip able to melt massive chunks of metal

Hot hot was it exactly, I mean the values?

 

[DaReaperMan]

How hot was it exactly, I mean the values?

Now that kind of question is what you ask in like Discord DMs before ya reveal yourself as a furry!

 

[Livinmeme]

Now that kind of question is what you ask in like Discord DMs before ya reveal yourself as a furry!

 

[DaReaperMan]

I gotta entertain myself somehow!