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Yeah unless and until someone comes with a better argument
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Alien X vs Unicron | 2-8-2 (d9ne)
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Hellformer
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Big foot
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bump
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Madness + Morality + Empathic Manip, although Alien X's main wincon is thought based EE
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Bump
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I will also vote Incon FRA
Catbowtie
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Voting for Alien X because of Thought Based Existence Erasure. In the Spark Scan, the Ystian had time to wonder what happened before being driven insane. If Unicorn's madness works in the same way, Alien X wins.
Anyways, voting Alien X For Reasons Above.
Not sure what this means. That Unicorn's Madness + Morality + Empathic Manipulation Hacks goes all the way to the main body? From it's puppet looking at it?
Anyways, voting Alien X For Reasons Above.
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More like Alien X sees something and gets convinced into losing
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Nah SBA has this "This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma"
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He either gets driven mad and cant fight anymore, or gets convinced to join the evil side and fight for Unicron
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btw how in character is it for Alien X to start with EE?
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Last I checked, and it's been a while since I've seen Ben 10, not really at all.
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So isnt it more likely for Alien X to go mad before he would use EE
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Maybe? I think so, but idk.
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There's one thing I've never understood, which is that Existence Erasure for Alien X is considered a wincon in a real sense. Alien X has never used Existence Erasure, neither against Galactic Gladiator, nor against Amalgam Kids... Another strange part of the situation is that the Existence Erasure that Alien X has is only based on the words of other characters (Servantis, Kevin)...
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See, this confuses me, because I don't remember anytime he's used it onscreen, other than the statement.
Plus Unicron's madness hax is passive. It comes from him just merely existing. And afaik, Alien X doesn't have resistance to such a thing.
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Bump
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His Madness Hax ignores range
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no it does not, his range is 21-D
also that is a massive NLF
if his madness hax ignores range, using this logic that would mean his madness hax would work on people whose existence is 1-A
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It works because it's an attack that the victim does to themselves, and on the resistence page, it says it should be able to work on HDE and R>F as long there is no resistence
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Soooo if its questionable that X starts with EE Im going Unicron Fra
Aolphl
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He never used it. It's just based on statements of other characters.
Unicron Fra
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brump
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bump
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Unicron FRA
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Catbowtie
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Really? Then changing my vote to Unicorn. Anything else but immediate Existence Erasure would give Alien X the L.
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unicorn fra
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Alien X can win via nuking the cosmology
