Top 10 Strongest Superpowers

[Ultima_Reality]

Because Fate Manipulation is defined as the ability to literally control destiny, as in, pulling the strings of Causality and forcibly cause events to happen... or simply force a new future into existence. Although Fate Manipulation which affects all of time probably can happen, since in a past perspective, the current present is the future, that's just how i see it, though

Meanwhile, Plot Manipulation... is directly affecting the plot of the story. You can remould past, present, future. Reshape events, pull the strings of time and causality to your favor, this sort of stuff. Good examples of actual Plot Manipulation would be metafictional characters such as Monika, who can change the script of the game

 

[Primaris_Brian]

And what the difference between plot of the story and you know everyone and everthing else destiny?

 

[JackJoyce]

Is it true that 1-A characters (Lucifer for example) aren't bound by Fate but still can be affected with Plot-Manipulation

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Is it true that 1-A characters (Lucifer for example) aren't bound by Fate but still can be affected with Plot-Manipulation

So if you know Yog sothoth try to fate manip him then he will be failed because Lucifer aren't bound by High 1-B Fate from the endless therefore he immune to every fate manip?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It's fiction.

Powers can reach whatever level the writer wants.

I could write a story where having Fungus Manipulation lets you warp reality on a 1-A level. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's already a game out there where choosing to be a Botanist lets you rewrite the laws of the universe. Nobilis

But in a general sense, Plot Manipulation has more applications than Fate Manipulation.

@JackJoyce, as above, it's fiction. They could be 1-A and still bound by fate. We'd just call it 1-A fate or something.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Powers can reach whatever level the writer wants.

Yes but ppl treat ability to affect plot of the story as something so much more special than anything else..in reality not really since every power still depend and being limited by the writer.

 

[JackJoyce]

Because the writer is '''omnipotent. '''Characters are not

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean the writer of their own series not DC writer, also omnipotent doesn't exist.

 

[JackJoyce]

Hence no characters (except Tier-0) should have complete immunity over certain powers

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean even Tier 0 is only Questionable immune to the other verse Tier 0 and High 1-A powers.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Powers can reach whatever level the writer wants.

Yes but ppl treat ability to affect plot of the story as something so much more special than anything else..in reality not really since every power still depend and being limited by the writer.

It is because we count metafictional verses and abilities from a Fiction-Reality perspective, not the other way around. It is the for this exact reason that characters such as The Player are listed as Tier 2, because their power is being gauged from the perspective of characters that are seen as fiction by them. It doesn't mean you are Low 2-C

Other example would be (again... ovo) Monika. She is obviously not truly manipulating the data and script of the game, this is the game itself being programmed in a way that simulates this, but regardless, her manipulating the game is a fundamental part of the history, hence she is considered a reality warper who can... manipulate the game universe, not as an automata that is programmed to do that. Because that's the point of her character, seen from a fiction-reality perspective

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Also...

>Being a botanist lets you rewrite the laws of the universe


...

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Legit. According to TV Tropes, in the tabletop game Nobilis, the laws of the universe were written in the language of flowers. Botanists can add their own laws, and are the only human characters in the game that the abstract-concept-god-player-characters need to worry about.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

...i think i am going to become a botanist

...ovo

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean you not really answering my question but sure..so what the difference between that and ability to manipulate the history and everhing else?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

...i think i am going to become a botanist
...ovo

Hey Monarch is the one who bought that idea so blame him no me.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Fate Manipulation is a more specialized / advanced version of causality manipulation, where you can force events to happen or even will new futures into existence

Plot Manipulation is basically immensely high-level Reality Warping, mostly appearing in metafictional verses, where you can directly control the story itself, as opposed to only control Causality and... Destiny and stuff

Although, both powers can potentially encompass each other depending on their levels so... yeah

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Im not saying plot manip and fate manip as utterly the same power in every way since they are not, or at least not in how both of these power being described as plot manip is usually involve more complete control over the story/history + 4wall breaking too, but at the highest level both plot manip and fate manip will have complete control of more or less the same thing aka the story or history of the verse..plus why cant we have 1-A fate manip who is superior to Causality and stuff?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, you are right, Fate and Plot Manipulation can eventually reach a level where they basically encompass each other

There ca be 1-A Fate Manipulation though, powers can reach any level the author wants, like Monarch said

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Of course by Monarch idea if we can have 1-A botanist then why cant we have fug logic Fate Manipulation. ovo

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I uses my botany powers to make you double post.

My reality warping powers know no bounds

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Can't believe from all the powers in existence..botany manipulation is the one who gave me this double post curse for years..

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Is it true that 1-A characters (Lucifer for example) aren't bound by Fate but still can be affected with Plot-Manipulation

Not all 1-A characters are immune to Fate Manipulation, but Lucifer and others in DC are. They are still affected drastically by Plot Manipulation, even The Presence.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

It's fiction.

Powers can reach whatever level the writer wants.

I could write a story where having Fungus Manipulation lets you warp reality on a 1-A level. In fact, I'm pretty sure there's already a game out there where choosing to be a Botanist lets you rewrite the laws of the universe. Nobilis

But in a general sense, Plot Manipulation has more applications than Fate Manipulation.

@JackJoyce, as above, it's fiction. They could be 1-A and still bound by fate. We'd just call it 1-A fate or something.

Reminds me that by using his nosehairs, Bo-bobo has Conceptual Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Mathematics Manipulation(like, literally rewriting the rules of calculus, to be specific), and Plot Manipulation.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

My point of my list was not to mislead people to think that it would absolute, it was just my opinion on which powers are the best.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

1- Transduality

2- Conceptual Manipulation

3- Plot Manipulation

4- Law Manipulation

5- Mathematics Manipulation

6- Abstract Existence

7- Probability Manipulation

8- Fate Manipulation


9- Causality Manipulation

10- TG Regenerationn and 10 Immortality

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Those last two aren't "strong" persay.