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Shiro's a plot based AE type 1, so nobody's interacting with her without plot manipulation
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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huh so she will have in con with 3 verse in 1-A list ? cuz i don't any of them have plot manip
Noneless21
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well she ain't beating them either since she's just baseline 1-A, plus who knows there's another caveat in the profiles like verse specific powers
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That's not really a thing, the Wiki's system doesn't treat plot related Abstract Existence as harder to interact with then normal Abstract Existence. Unless the series in question has other abstract beings to compare Abstract Existence to, normal Non-Physical Interaction on abstractions should work.
Noneless21
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it's based off this thread
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I read the staff responses, and that isn't really them explaining a standard, that was giving a opinion. Nor did all the staff agree which each other or a conclusion made in the thread.
Currently the standard is not to treat narrative abstractions as superior to other such abstractions, not unless the series in question specifically gives it's own answer to the question.
Currently the standard is not to treat narrative abstractions as superior to other such abstractions, not unless the series in question specifically gives it's own answer to the question.
Noneless21
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It was never stated to be superior, but it was never stated to be the same, and you still need the right hax to interact with said abstraction without the right NPI in the first place...
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Pretty sure we don't assume that just because you can interact with one abstraction that you can do so for others as well. For example just because you can interact with ae type 1 of concept doesn't mean you can interact with ae type 1 of possibilities. But even if we go by that, plot > type 1 concepts in verse
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We generally do, if you can punch information you can punch concepts, if you can punch emotions you can punch possibilities.
Their's a reason when people ask if their Non-Physical Interaction can affect Abstract Existence Type 1 they generally don't also ask what type of Abstract it works on. If you can interact with an abstraction then you can interact with any abstraction, baring scaling chains of how abstract something is and such.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Yes but no, possibly Plot Manipulation (Tzeentchs sheer ability to manipulate fate and probability is described as him being akin to an 'author' of a story[8]) and Chaos god resist
Either way, the Marvel characters can control and destroy the plot.
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Something no one pays attention to. I've seen enough debates about Abstract Existence Type 1, some involving Staff, that just don't pay attention to that factor and treat Non-Physical Interaction on a abstraction as Non-Physical Interaction on any abstraction.
Noneless21
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That's just like if you can interact with elemental intangible being means you can interact with incorporeal being, which is not true, some abstraction is different than the others, some embody the universe, some embody concept, some embody information, all of these are fundamental aspect but they're essentially differs
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Generally the standard seen in threads is something like Elemental>Spiritual>Abstract, like how Mid-Godly Regeneration Negation makes no distinction between what the character in question is regenerating from.
Noneless21
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Really? So you mean if someone's capable of punching an abstract being, they then can punch ghost?
Btw, abstract existence can differ very much so, some can embody death, some can embody time, some can embody space and so on...
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Yep, you got Non-Physical Interaction on concepts you can punch Casper all day long.
All of that is just classified as a type of conceptual Abstract Existence. You can punch Death from Castlevania then you can punch Dialga's true form.
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...What? What kind of logic is that, wtf???
If that's how we do things, then we're really going into the gutter. How does it make sense that if I can punch emotions, that somehow grants me the ability to affect shit like possibilities? It's like such a gross generalization, that if you can effect A, then **** it, you can effect any other one.
Not to mention, I haven't seen this shit discussed anywhere at all, most of them seem to think that if you can effect A, that doesn't mean you can effect B unless a huge amount of context is given. You're literally the first one who mentions we do stuff like this.
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Yea first I have ever seen this, the general consensus has been affecting one type of abstract ie emotions, won't let you affect the other ie information.
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bruh moment,well it seem shallow can't get any place in here
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Featherlite baseline? If so might be a cool match.
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Faa doesn't have hax or resistances on the level of her existence (1A) so Epilogue is still an ez GG. The only thing saving her here is acausality type 5 (which I'm pretty sure has been outdated, and wouldn't qualified for the current standard anyway).
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Pretty much this. Affecting one form of abstraction doesn't mean you can affect another type at all, unless there's in verse context that implies as such.
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Void Entity link is broken, you should change it to this
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Oliver_de_jesus
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He has smurf range
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And smurf hax too + resistances
Oliver_de_jesus
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i think 2 or 3
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Make just 1 vs 1...not the entire top list.
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So i need to make each battle separeted ?
Ok i will start with graham
I will edit it
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We need to do the matches so that people understand why the list is changed
And madoka can interact with sasha
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First battle graham vs madoka
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Hey, if Anos stomps madoka. Madoka can't interact with Graham and Graham has haxes comparable to Anos so it's a Stomp, Eques has haxes comparable to Anos and Graham too and Madoka can't interact with Eques either, and Arcana the same but stronger than Eques, what's the point of spamming match knowing the outcome beforehand?
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So
Change the Ranking list directly ?
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