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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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i don't see any large size in the profile so i'll assume he's SS in size
can he affect abstracts since the virus is abstract and spreads over the planet instantly
and it can gain resistance to hax and overcome it
anyways for the powerful beings who have the virus are zefraath and anoyatyllis
zefraath who has the divine aura sophia has which is EE + the virus passives
anoyatyllis has passive ice manip + virus stuff
i don't see any large size in the profile so i'll assume he's SS in size
can he affect abstracts since the virus is abstract and spreads over the planet instantly
and it can gain resistance to hax and overcome it
anyways for the powerful beings who have the virus are zefraath and anoyatyllis
zefraath who has the divine aura sophia has which is EE + the virus passives
anoyatyllis has passive ice manip + virus stuff
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The Resistance Negation they resist is talking about saves which has nothing to do with the resistance negation The Planeswalker utilizes.
Also, I saw they don't resist Plot Manipulation which The Planeswalker has.
Awl... Welp, off I go.
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Range i guess. You need 2A range to perma kill lavos
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Not really it depends. Having it as a power smurf won't count as smurf otherwise all of dnd non tier 2 would be discarded from the list since magic is a 2A source
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How? From what i'm seeing Lavos doesn't have Omnipresence nor Large Size
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Because you kill one Lavos and another takes it's place
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Ahhhh, Acausality 3 right? I missed it.
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Acau type 3
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He has dupes across a 2-A multiverse
He is essentially saying 2-A powernull wont work since Low 1-C source, so he argued Low 1-C resistance, therefore smurf.
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Oh, so does that mean I can have The Planeswalker isn't disqualified from this?
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Well, how does the Powernull work?
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That would be a smurf because a tier 2 cannot nullify powers of a tier 1.
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Crota and Daughters of Oryx are the most notable because "lol layers" on everything they have makes trying to defend against them in a non-smurf setting... impossible.
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That's why I said it depends on the type of powernull. Does it stop them from accessing their power to does it nullify the abilities directly.
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Since a character has some kind of "Resistance" of something related to Tier 1 in Non-smurf tier 2 is already a smurf.
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But the type of power nulling above would actually work since it's not affecting their source just their ability to use their power.
Though it wouldn't matter much in a battle since The Planeswalker can cast spells faster than passives.
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Most powernulls almost never affect the source of the power but directly nullify the power, so I think it could work, if Planeswalker hypothetically take Sertrous place, most probably they would get stomped by the characters below them. (Destiny and MG.... Not sure about lavos btw.)
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Speed Equal
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These spells manipulate causality, even if something happens before them they still happen first.
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That doesnt matter if he still needs to think to cast them
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So Sertrous has every type of Malefic Properties from what I'm hearing right?
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They are the same for every Elder Evil.
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Ok, I might be stupid and there is probably some in lore reasoning. But doesn't it say here that each Elder Evil only has one specific Malefic Property?
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Kinda out of context scan there. What the scan is saying is that all of them have the Anathematic Secrecy, and can also have one more power (from the list that the scan omitted) should the DM choose so.
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I'm not trying to take stuff out of context, I'm just confused. All Elder Evil's have Anathematic Secrecy and ONE other Malefic Property.
There are six from what I can see and the one that 'Power Nulls' stops them from being affected by divine magic. But it does not stop the person from actually using the magic itself.
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..........The Anathematic Secrecy is the powernull, which all of them have. Anything else is an additional malefic property. Your own scan says this.
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Does divination have a different meaning in D&D? Cause divination means obtaining knowledge through supernatural means. And from what I can tell that's all divination spells do in D&D as well.
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No it just means they powernull gods in this case.
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Ok, I'm bout to do a CRT on D&D cause it seems Malefic Properties have been taken way out of context.
Anathematic Secrecy in and of itself is stated ONLY to stop divination spells and scrying.
It says in general Elder Evils are pretty much defenseless against gods.
HOWEVER, they have Malefic Properties that stop the gods from interfering with them. One is stopping anyone from finding them using divination and scrying, and the other is something linked to their PERSONAL TRAIT.
Nothing here states that they nullify a god's power, the Malefic Property just helps them avoid a god from interacting with them.
Anathematic Secrecy in and of itself is stated ONLY to stop divination spells and scrying.
Meaning the power null comes only from this statement.
It says in general Elder Evils are pretty much defenseless against gods.
HOWEVER, they have Malefic Properties that stop the gods from interfering with them. One is stopping anyone from finding them using divination and scrying, and the other is something linked to their PERSONAL TRAIT.
Nothing here states that they nullify a god's power, the Malefic Property just helps them avoid a god from interacting with them.
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So we have two statements. One states Zargon killed some Gods and the other hints at the fact Zargon's Powers work best against Gods. How does that lead to (He has Powernull that negates all Divine Magic including normal magic and every other ability entirely.)
I'm sorry, but you have to admit this just seems like a massive jump in logic. The profile hasn't been properly updated from what I can tell in years.
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Because the powernull weakens them as well, otherwise Zargon couldn't harm them since Elder Evils are weaker than gods.
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Ok, so assuming that's the case he has Statistics Reduction, not nullification. If it was nullification then they wouldn't be weakened they would be weak, incapable of fighting even a little bit.
And from what I can tell said by Mr. Bambu, that Statistic Reduction only works on divine beings.
Not all types of magic like you suggested. So basically Sentrous can weaken divine beings and even then it's iffy.
Getting back on topic Planeswalkers aren't divine beings so his power null is not a factor here. And honestly, a CRT should be done to correct the misunderstanding.
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Even if we go with that route, Sertrous himself cant be affected by any spell ever.
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Yes he can not be effected by any Divine Spell.
States it even more clearly right here. Meaning any other type of magic works just fine and The Planeswalker has plenty of non divine spells.
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Not just divine, but non-divine as well.Yes he can not be effected by any Divine Spell.
States it even more clearly right here. Meaning any other type of magic works just fine.
"It is also immune to spell-like and supernatural abilities of extraplanar creatures"
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Spell-Like & Supernatural Abilities in D&D are very specific things and are stated to be separate from spells.
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