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The problem is how they can realize/know about Shark's existence while it can devour their concepts?
It purely AE type 1 based on Type 1 concept, invisible and incorporeal as both metaphysical shadow and concept
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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It purely AE type 1 based on Type 1 concept, invisible and incorporeal as both metaphysical shadow and concept
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Three reasons:
1. By SBA the characters know they are fighting an opponent and how that opponent looks. So they realize at least that much at least
2. The shark isn't invisible. The profile doesn't list invisibility and its file describes it as a 3D shadow appearing to be a black silhouette.
3. Both characters don't need knowledge to do the right thing. Destiny and Probability Manip respectively take care of that.
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1 SBA doesn't make you perceive conceptual existence that is invisible, even they can, how they know where is it and what are they? Like you just know you fight things, but it's conceptual invisible from the first place
2 Profile doesn't list because i thought it's unnecessary, like AE type 1 purely abstract thing, they're invisible by default unless there are expects said otherwise
For shadow part, it's metaphysical shadow and it doesn't have stabilize shit
Glossary for Shark's canon
Shadow (metaphysics) — The conceptual projection of an object or event into an adjacent universe. Normally invisible and incorporeal, Shadows can be stabilized into physical artifacts through thaumaturgy or from innate reality anchoring properties in their source. Lighthouses are a common source of self-stabilizing Shadows.
Shadow (metaphysics) — The conceptual projection of an object or event into an adjacent universe. Normally invisible and incorporeal, Shadows can be stabilized into physical artifacts through thaumaturgy or from innate reality anchoring properties in their source. Lighthouses are a common source of self-stabilizing Shadows.
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Doesn't mean they can see something invisible, but it means they know there is an opponent and that opponent is invisible... well, if the shark were invisible.
It's absolutely not unnecessary. Countless characters with AE Type 1 are visible. And while a standard shadow might not be visible, the shark's own file explicitly states the opposite.
It was also spotted by civilians several times.
Nah, both Hatou and Aburatori operate on a one timeline principle.
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Ukay i just need add invisible to them latter
For "Physical description" and "three dimensional" part, there are things called "Quasi-physical" in same canon (and file itself). Physical could just mean their form, because shark isn't formless concept, it resembles physical objects/beings while incorporeal and invisible
Machines that are composed of basic concepts, commonly appearing as translucent structures that are quasi-physical, resembling physical objects while lacking corporeality
And if they can't affect timeline according many timelines principles then they can't do shit with Shark whether it's invisible or not because this is how scp timelines and causality work
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The point regarding physical description was that it is called a black silhouette of 3-dimensional shape. If it is invisible it wouldn't be black.
And the civilians clearly react to the shark in itself. The workers displayed confusion about its appearance explicitely before the Shark started eating concepts. If they couldn't notice it, they couldn't be confused about its appearance either.
In the second case the civilians are also explicitly intrigued by the shark's appearance before it starts eating concepts. Once it does, they start panicking.
Their abilities work in accordance to their rules, not SCP's rules. So they can do what they can usually do with their abilities, not more nor less. So yeah, they simply built the cage.
What happens in timeline besides the one the fight happens in also doesn't influence the outcome. If they defeat it in their timeline they win. A shark in another timeline isn't their shark, after all.
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I just realize shark always manifest in those events, so yeah it probably isn't invisible, at least not in those events
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btw can Dark Schneider beat Odin then, he has basically the same abilities as Uriel plus plethora of other hax, some of which might incap Odin such as Sealing or Absolute Zero while passives will permanently hold Odin back to help him do the job quite effortlessly
*his new abilities are not on the profile yet, I just want to try out cuz honestly too lazy atm lol
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Depend on what kind of sealing, if it is transmutation type (turning opponent into an object to seals them) then probally it is wont work given how Odin's regeneration work.
But I suppose other types of Sealing could work.
Unless it is BFR type where Schneider teleport Odin into an pocket dimension, then it's simply poor life decision because Odin's Die walkure (Spatial Manips) allow Odin to teleports out right away.
Going with Odin's profile, yes, AZ would be effective against him.
If we going off-profile, then in the sequel of Fortissimo (Kadenz Fermata), they introduced a character whose sword techniques freezes stuffs at Absolute Zero, not only that, the sword technique was so cold that it freezed the concept of time itself.
The regular magi like Nagisa, Hinako and Umi was able to resists the cold of the technique and can still keep on fighting, while Odin is god tier among the magis (hence his title as the Ultimate Magi) so no doubt if a Kadenz revision being made, Odin would get resistance to AZ.
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Well since DS's sealing seems to be neither of the aforementioned types, it will work ig
Fair on Absolute Zero resistance
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Then Im fine with Schneider taking Odin's place.
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Dark Schneider's profile has been updated (thanks to a friend of mine), he can now replace Odin(meaning other verses/characters will move down a spot)
Also, seeing Uriel incon the 2nd(former 1st) and pretty much stomps 4th spot(former 3rd), he should share the current spot with Odin.
Also, seeing Uriel incon the 2nd(former 1st) and pretty much stomps 4th spot(former 3rd), he should share the current spot with Odin.
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Would DS be able to beat Greeza this time?
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You should probably make him go 2nd in strongest thread too as odin was second
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Can Greeza touch AE type 1 based on thought and emotion?
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Not sure, but Greeza itself have nonexistent physiology on all front other than conceptual with Mid-Godly regen.
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can't touch NEP nature 3 so no I think
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Would it be stalemate then?
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It's always amusing when an incon occurs due to characters being unable to touch/interact with each other (especially immortal characters).
Do they just decide to spend eternity tolerating each other's existence? (or in this case existence and non-existence lol!).
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Very likely I suppose
actually,
But yah, it is quite annoying when a match turns out to be inconclusive literally due to characters can't even interact with each other
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ok I'll try
Anyway, DS now has a valid clarification for his tier(along with Uriel), they can probably start looking for a spot in 4-B.
-Uriel stomps Sailor Moon in 3-C and I can be sure that their 4B match result would remain the same. Cuz here is the thing, Uriel would still have his 3-C self(Augoeides) fighting for him. Augoeides are souls of angels/devils, and high-level ones, preferably Seraphims/Demon Lords are independent of the users (Uriel's broke the seal in Cocytus despite the fact that his astral body/humanoid form had been erased from existence. Conversely, Seraphs' humanoid form can also act normally while their Augoeides were being sealed)
-Although I'm quite confident he would still beat her without having to accompany with his Augoeides, this just makes it a whole fully stomp in Uriel's favour.
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Which Yu-Gi-Oh character is first High 4-C?
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Lswarm if I remembered correctly
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I see, I see. I think Balancer could take them judging by their profiles. They don't have enough range to affect Balancer's full self.
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Is Balancer connected? If so that'd probably be a way to let the corruption start migrating to effect the full self
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Yes, but no. Balancer can just decide to not know things his other selfs experience, so isolating something like that is pretty easy for it. He's an AI after all. He can literally just delete some corrupted part of himself. The terminals are likewise disposable.
And, I mean, they have to hit him with that first and he can deal with them pretty easily. Don't really resist any of his stuff from what I see.
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Looking at this page the corruption likely can reach his true self with that cross-dimensional range plus I don't see NPI on his page so I don't think he can permanently stop the Evilswarm virus.
Also there is her (who doesn't have the Lswarm but has passive death manipulation and conceptual EE) plus other similar characters.
Perhaps an incon?
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Cross-dimensional range just means it can go into pocket dimensions. Doesn't mean it can reach any place in the universe. Its usual range is only planetary, while Balancer spreads over the solar system, so the range is too small.
The virus isn't High 4-C, so he doesn't even need to kill that. Only needs to kill the High 4-C guys themselves. (I think this guy is probably the strongest?)
Balancer doesn't really need NPI, as it can manipulate Information (Type 2) and with it the laws of nature themselves, including spacetime, energy and matter in general. Neither the Virus nor its hosts can survive that.
Both have too low range to destroy Balancer, while they themselves don't resist Balancer's powers at all.
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bump for replacement, imma try the smurf top after this
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Hmmm... well I'm not too knowledgeable about YGO lore to give much of a comprehensive response to your points that said iirc, hax in YGO is pretty layered (I still heavily dislike layered nonsense) and its partly the reason they could contend with the chinamen (back when they were High 4-C) so I dunno if the Balancer could truly perma-kill the YGO High 4-Cs who are infected by a type 1 AE as well as those with type 5 immorality tho it's P&A looks perfect for an incap.
I'm sure either @Zencha9 or @SomebodyData would provide better explanations than me since I'm not too sure about the details of the range and applications of certain hax.
Also does Balancer have any passives? since naturally the YGO characters speed-blitz if speed isn't equalized.
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To speed blitz they would need to find all of Balancer (or alternatively his center), though. So it's not that easy in the vastness of space and pocket dimensions. Would need rather good ESP for that, especially since they don't know that there is more to Balancer than the part in front of them.
What layers is concerned... well, I don't see how it matters. They have no resistance against Balancer's stuff at all. Resistances which aren't there also can't be layered. When in doubt Balancer can also summon Iwanaga-hime to have her use her signature technique, which can kill immortals by giving them a lifespan and then reducing it to nothing... and that bypasses 15 layers of resistance and can't be power nulled.
Although incap, by turning them into information trapped in a pocket dimension, is also an option.
Other way around, Balancer doesn't need to care much about how many layers the hax of the Yu-Gi-Oh characters have. Their lack of range protects him from it.
But sure, I can wait a while for other opinions... or make a match if it is worth debating.
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She has quite the design...
That's likely for the best since YGO is a vast and long running franchise, I doubt I could adequately present all the necessary information about it while also researching the tactics of how certain characters would act in a Vs format.
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I just updated The Planeswalkers profile so it's up to date now. I think he can take Sertrous's spot for top Low 2-C.
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Sertrous has passive layered 2-A powernull and resists literally all spells from the verse since he has resistance to divine abilities.
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Planeswalkers Magic isn't divine in nature unless they want it to be so that doesn't really matter. And their powers come from a Low 1-C Source so his powernull won't work.
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God abilities includes magic and literally everything else, so its not just "divine".
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So basically smurf
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They have resistance negation that works on beings who have protection from everything (Which is basically Immunity in MTG)
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