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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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theultimate5105 said:
basic Pokemon attacks can push back against space-time erasure
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Doubt the portals in particular have the feats (can't apply one showing to everything to Pokémon. Hax doesn't get powerscaled) and doubt that the showing has the WQ's potency anyways. Also, not on the profile.
The WQ's attacks also erase matter, energy, souls and information btw.
And have I mentioned that it are trillions of attacks? Unless he literally surrounds himself in portals from all direction it would get hit anyways.
theultimate5105 said:
It spams summons which would include the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio. As well as a ton of High 3-As with infinite speed
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Doesn't have time to spam summons one after another (weren't his initial spams stuff like Rayquaze and the lati-twins?). Allow the WQ a second move and he has something like an immeasurable speed instant death curse with powernull resistance on his ass. Thinking about it, nothing except maybe Dialga could do anything against that killing Hoopa... actually, even Dialga wouldn't as Hoopa would have to tell it to do something against the attack, but it can't since it doesn't know it's coming.

And the High 3-As are irrelevant as they can't kill the WQ. In fact, now that I think about it, in-character nothing Hoopa summons would kill the WQ as you would need to destroy 2 universes to do that.

Also, you still have refused to adress the passive charisma. Stop ignoring the point cause you don't like it.
 
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DontTalkDT said:
Doubt the portals in particular have the feats (can't apply one showing to everything to Pokémon. Hax doesn't get powerscaled) and doubt that the showing has the WQ's potency anyways. Also, not on the profile.
The WQ's attacks also erase matter, energy, souls and information btw.
And have I mentioned that it are trillions of attacks? Unless he literally surrounds himself in portals from all direction it would get hit anyways.
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It is powerscaled to everything in Pokemon. And it is several dozen showings from random Pokemon+many other feats of space-time Manip . It’s not on the profile sure but that doesn’t mean anything when it was fully accepted (especially for a verse like Pokemon where half of the profiles are missing stuff which is fully accepted for them)

anyways if it is truly the first Move the white queen does instantly in a fight on a scale of attacks completely surrounding him. then she wins
DontTalkDT said:
Doesn't have time to spam summons one after another (weren't his initial spams stuff like Rayquaze and the lati-twins?). Allow the WQ a second move and he has something like an immeasurable speed instant death curse with powernull resistance on his ass. Thinking about it, nothing except maybe Dialga could do anything against that killing Hoopa... actually, even Dialga wouldn't as Hoopa would have to tell it to do something against the attack, but it can't since it doesn't know it's coming.
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He spammed basically every legendary nigh instantly.
DontTalkDT said:
And the High 3-As are irrelevant as they can't kill the WQ. In fact, now that I think about it, in-character nothing Hoopa summons would kill the WQ as you would need to destroy 2 universes to do that.

Also, you still have refused to adress the passive charisma. Stop ignoring the point cause you don't like it.
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Several can BFR on 2-A levels as well as hax (like sealing, petrification, etc). Hoopa can As well
Hoopa also has several potential defences against it (if they work like simply not being anything close to what it has effected in terms of physiology, Layered resistence to mindhax and based on the description power seems to play a role
 
The space-time manipulation was agreed to be something realllly minor/limited, it was basically npi about interacting with spatial distortions like portals, spatial distorted spaces/rooms, spatial attacks etc, things like that, so isn't anything actually broken or impressive.

And if is mentioned things not in the profiles but that were accepted then various of the abilities and resistances granted by the types should be discounted from their profiles do to recent crts.
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
The space-time manipulation was agreed to be something realllly minor/limited, it was basically npi about interacting with spatial distortions like portals, spatial distorted spaces/rooms, spatial attacks etc, things like that, so isn't anything actually broken or impressive.

And if is mentioned things not in the profiles but that were accepted then various of the abilities and resistances granted by the types should be discounted from their profiles do to recent crts.
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One of the main showings for it was pushing back space-time erasure.
Its not impressive offensively and is only good in very specific cases defensively
 
theultimate5105 said:
It is powerscaled to everything in Pokemon. And it is several dozen showings from random Pokemon+many other feats of space-time Manip . It’s not on the profile sure but that doesn’t mean anything when it was fully accepted (especially for a verse like Pokemon where half of the profiles are missing stuff which is fully accepted for them)
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The profile is our "canon" for the characters. Anything not even tangentially mentioned on the profile is not to be considered until it is (i.e. Hoopa would at least need NPI or something mentioned). And the showings would have to be on equal or higher potency as the WQ's spacetime erasure and I doubt they are.

theultimate5105 said:
anyways if it is truly the first Move the white queen does instantly in a fight on a scale of attacks completely surrounding him. then she wins
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It is. Launching her trillion automatically fighting victory-granting spacetime erasing weapons is what she usually does. Or, what her dress usually does. It kinda just automatically does what is necessary for the WQ to win, whether she wants it or not.

theultimate5105 said:
He spammed basically every legendary nigh instantly.
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Ehhhhh... don't think he nigh-instantly spammed creation trio. Could be wrong. Depends on showings, I guess.

theultimate5105 said:
Several can BFR on 2-A levels as well as hax (like sealing, petrification, etc). Hoopa can As well
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Problem is they don't use it in-character like that. That's kinda Pokémons general problem. 99% of the time Pokémon will in-character not use hax much, but rather use regular Pokémon attacks.

It's like Palkia could also just erase the two universes to win, but that is just not something Palkia really does a lot in-character.

theultimate5105 said:
Hoopa also has several potential defences against it (if they work like simply not being anything close to what it has effected in terms of physiology, Layered resistence to mindhax and based on the description power seems to play a role
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Charisma is social influencing, not mind hax. It's explicitly non-supernatural. The WQ also has mind hax, but that's another technique.
 
DontTalkDT said:
The profile is our "canon" for the characters. Anything not even tangentially mentioned on the profile is not to be considered until it is (i.e. Hoopa would at least need NPI or something mentioned). And the showings would have to be on equal or higher potency as the WQ's spacetime erasure and I doubt they are.


It is. Launching her trillion automatically fighting victory-granting spacetime erasing weapons is what she usually does. Or, what her dress usually does. It kinda just automatically does what is necessary for the WQ to win, whether she wants it or not.


Ehhhhh... don't think he nigh-instantly spammed creation trio. Could be wrong. Depends on showings, I guess.


Problem is they don't use it in-character like that. That's kinda Pokémons general problem. 99% of the time Pokémon will in-character not use hax much, but rather use regular Pokémon attacks.

It's like Palkia could also just erase the two universes to win, but that is just not something Palkia really does a lot in-character.


Charisma is social influencing, not mind hax. It's explicitly non-supernatural. The WQ also has mind hax, but that's another technique.
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Ok If her dress causes whatever she needs to win automatically it likely will attack Hoopa before he can summon The Pokemon Required to win (unless he randomly summons one of the tier 2s as soon As he hits the field but the odds are stacked against him in that)
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
What passive's does each Bahamut have? If Nicol Bolas doesn't insta'd I think he has a shot for 5th Spot on 4-A.
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Atomization for gbf baha. But gbf baha is due to have some upgrade which is passive EE from blinding light that erases things to the point they cannot be recovered or revived even with the power of creation and just a memory vision of that light can also permanently blind target even if they didnt look directly and tier 1 hax if the tier 1 crt is accepted.

If it wasnt accepted he gets 4D haxes and powernull eitherway
 
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TheGreatJedi13 said:
Atomization for gbf baha. But gbf baha is due to have some upgrade which is passive EE from blinding light that erases things to the point they cannot be recovered or revived even with the power of creation and tier 1 hax if the tier 1 crt is accepted.

If it wasnt accepted he gets 4D haxes and powernull eitherway
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Well if the atomization is done through Magic he should be fine. He can resist Tier 1 EE & Magic, how is the power null going to work?
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Well if the atomization is done through Magic he should be fine. He can resist Tier 1 EE & Magic, how is the power null going to work?
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Passive by his aura alone how many Dimension can bolas resist? Baha EE and powernull should be above chaos and its powernull is basically destroying the power itself or the concept and works on nep nature type 2 but its only 5D if ever. If he can kill ff baha or anyone higher he should take the spot. Since gbf baha is still unaccepted or confirmed so if he resist atomization then baha's attacks then sure
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Passive by his aura alone how many Dimension can bolas resist? Baha EE and powernull should be above chaos and its powernull is basically destroying the power itself or the concept and works on nep nature type 2 but its only 5D if ever. If he can kill ff baha or anyone higher he should take the spot. Since gbf baha is still unaccepted or confirmed so if he resist atomization then baha's attacks then sure
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Atm Nicol Bolas's Magic and EE resistances at 5D. As for the power null I have no clue, Mana is a 5D source of power for all Planeswalker, it even exists in the Blind Eternities which is a Void that can erase Mind, Body & Soul including all Memory of whatever it erases from reality. (Which is where they get their Void/EE Resistance and Magic Resistance from.)

So should I make a thread of him vs FF Bahamut?
 
Yeah right now he already destroys. Ill just make a match once baha changes are applied since i believe it will take time (major revisions on underrated verses).
So go make a match for ff baha

But regarding magic. Im not really sure.magic exist in gbf but astral power of origination is different because its basically creation of things from complete nothing. They can simply create magic from scratch if it gets erased or doesnt exist anymore
 
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