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Top 10 most potent eyes in fiction.

Lelouch's geass only works on a person 1 time...

But as far as the eye contact thing goes, that's actually a bit misleading. He can use it through a tv screen after all.
 
That versatility in this case isn't enough to compensate for the tier gap. The poll will be fun, but a 2-A jagan while it doesn't have abilities like precog or teleportation or absorption, is still FAR greater than a 3D Almighty with such effects. So Almighty has a couple more (not so notable effects) more than the Jagan, but it gets absolutely trashed in literally everything else, and in most fights the Jagan would be FAR more devastating. If you were to fight a random character in the wiki, you'd 9/10 times pick the Jagan, because it has the ability to bypass most resistances, it's tricky to use and has devastating effects on just 1 use including stuff like clairvoyance. So that's why the Jagan is the better set of eyes. Almighty has more abilities, but they can't make up for the fact that in more than half of those abilities the Jagan stomps it with potency alone.

So again, versatility matters but it needs to be able to make up for the difference in potency for it to be a "better eye". Which is why John is absolutely number 1, all it's effects on a 1-B level, nothing can touch it. Because even if there are more versatile eyes, they can't make up for the sheer potency difference (not that John's eye isn't versatile).

Here is Jagan's set of abilities just for clarification:

Illusion Creation (His Evil Eye can make anyone experience a 1 minute long illusion. It could work on the likes of Ginji who was unaffected by anything The Archiver could do), Dimensional Travel (His Jagan allows him to see through and travel in between dimensions and virtual realities), Reality Warping (Using his Jagan he can create virtual realities that were said to be on par with Makubex' virtual reality), Perception Manipulation (His Jagan allows him to control people's perception of time inside the illusion), Fate Manipulation (The Jagan can control fate), Dream Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation (Jagan allows him to see someone's entire past), Status Effect Inducement (Can tranquilize and put people in Coma using his Jagan), Willpower Manipulation (Ban can change the will of the people who are under the effects of the Jagan), Paralysis, Petrification(Could petrify an old man because he believed the fact that he was petrified ), Death Manipulation (Could kill beings via turning their deaths in the Illusion into Reality), Power Nullification (Resistance negation)

I don't even think the Almighty is more versatile tbh considering ^^ but that's just my opinion.
 
<divclass="quote">YungManzi wrote:
Lelouch's Geass only works on a person 1 time...

But as far as the eye contact thing goes, that's actually a bit misleading. He can use it through a tv screen after all. </div> What?! He used multiple times on more than one people. He even used on the whole Imperial Army at the same time. As long as they are in his range and look in his eyes or his eyes can make contact.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
If you were to fight a random character in the wiki, you'd 9/10 times pick the Jagan, because it has the ability to bypass most resistances,
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No, I'd pick the Almighty.

Why?

Because it possesses these sets of abilities:

Precognition (Yhwach can see all possible futures), Information Analysis (Yhwach can understand all powers he sees in the future), Reactive Evolution and/or Power Nullification (All powers that Yhwach sees in the future will be incapable of harming him or defeating him).

And most characters aren't smurfs or resistant to any of those abilities - so said abilities will work and, it will be the most beneficial to the user.

Being able to see all of the future, understand the mechanics of all the power that you see in every timeline that you see, gain resistance to all the powers that you see, and nullify the user from using said power and regenerating makes The Almighty a far more versatile and a far more broken power than Jagan.

As I already stated, the only reason why Jagan is a better ability - is because of its level of existence. If the Almighty was 4-D, it would be better than Jagan.

Why? Because of the powers that I listed above.


In a hypothetical scenario where a user of the Almighty and a user of Jagan fought, and both eyes were on the same dimensional level, then when the someone using Jagan tried to cast an illusion, the Almighty would not only just negate the illusion, but it would also give the owner resistance to illusions making Jagan completely worthless.

Since Jagan is 4-D, and the Almighty is 3-D - this would be an NLF and isn't applicable. But if we negate potency, it wouldn't be an NLF and would not just be applicable, but it is what would happen.

How is the Almighty not the better power, how is it not more versatile?

I don't understand your logic, it makes no sense.
 
YungManzi said:
Lelouch's geass only works on a person 1 time...
But as far as the eye contact thing goes, that's actually a bit misleading. He can use it through a tv screen after all.
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No, he can only use it on the same person once - but he can use it on many people at the same time.
 
No, he can only use it on the same person once - but he can use it on many people at the same time.

This. It is 2-A, though, so it probably gets at least spot 10
 
Yobo Blue said:
This. It is 2-A, though, so it probably gets at least spot 10
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I guess, its potency is rather good for a 3-D being - although the fact that it doesn't work twice on someone makes it kind of shit IMO.
 
Warren Valion said:
YungManzi said:
Lelouch's geass only works on a person 1 time...
But as far as the eye contact thing goes, that's actually a bit misleading. He can use it through a tv screen after all.
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No, he can only use it on the same person once - but he can use it on many people at the same time.
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I never said he couldn't use it on multiple people at once...in fact, he does that the first time he ever uses it.
 
Hmm some stuff to add:

  • "Most of the characters aren't smurfs" That doesn't mean Almighty > Jagan. Almighty can beat a lot of non smurfs, the Jagan absolutely stomps them though. Go into 4D territory? Jagan keeps stomping most and stops at a "REALLY" high level of "specific" resistance to it's ability, the Almighty is basically toothpick to any of the dudes. So Almighty only wins against 3D and that's "IF" they don't counter it or win by other mechanics or resistances and fails against every 4D ever. Jagan stomps every possible 3D by being infinitely more powerful than any of them and wins against most 4D "unless" they have a pretty specific resistance to the jagan, said resistance is stronger than the Jagan AND resist resistance negation effects. Idk how you see the Almighty as better here.
  • And stop equalizing the potency. As i said like 8 times by now, the potency "matters" but an eye can be so much better than another "stronger" eye so it can take a higher spot. The Almighty by no means can be better than Jagan, the differences are not nearly as great as to make up for the potency gap.
  • Precognition (Jagan doesn't have this, but it has no real use for it as it can manipulate the fate), Information Analysis (Jagan already has a better version of this as a single use of the jagan can give info about someone's entire life and not just the powers they use in the future. So basically you gain knowledge of someone's resistances, powers, life, traumas, weaknesses, loved ones, strong points etc compared to "understand powers that are used in the future". That + the potency difference), Reactive Evolution and/or Power Nullification (Jagan has a better version of this...again. While inside the illusion all your powers can seemingly have no effect, but unlike Yhwach, Ban can even invalidate resistances). And this is just the ability by ability comparison. Count in all the other abilities Jagan has and it's infinitely greater potency and tricky mechanics and you'll see why the Jagan is better.
Remember: To argue back at me saying that Almighty is better for x reasons, do forget to mention why this 3D ability would be much better in a fight than a 4D ability.
 
This is my final statement about this topic.


>And stop equalizing the potency. As I said like 8 times by now, the potency "matters" but an eye can be so much better than another "stronger" eye so it can take a higher spot. The Almighty by no means can be better than Jagan, the differences are not nearly as great as to make up for the potency gap.

Why is it that potency doesn't matter for the power that originates from a series you like, but does for every other series?

Being conceptually destroyed on a Low 1-C level by being looked at by the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is a better power than Jagan. While it isn't as versatile, it doesn't need to be, it is a stronger and better power than everything that the Jagan possess.

The Jagan user would instantly be killed in a fight on a fundamental level and would not be able to come back from such an attack.

It should have the strongest spot behind John because the power has a higher tier than Jagan and would easily beat a Jagan user.

With this logic, you should put the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception at the number 2 spot.


>Precognition (Jagan doesn't have this, but it has no real use for it as it can manipulate the fate), Information Analysis (Jagan already has a better version of this as a single use of the Jaga can give info about someone's entire life and not just the powers they use in the future. So basically you gain knowledge of someone's resistances, powers, life, traumas, weaknesses, loved ones, strong points etc compared to "understand powers that are used in the future". That + the potency difference), Reactive Evolution and/or Power Nullification (Jagan has a better version of this...again. While inside the illusion all your powers can seemingly have no effect, but unlike Yhwach, Ban can even invalidate resistances). And this is just the ability by ability comparison. Count in all the other abilities Jagan has and it's infinitely greater potency and tricky mechanics and you'll see why the Jagan is better.

I don't think you understood why I listed those powers. I listed them because each power plays on the other to cultivate into the Almighty being broken a broken power.

The Almighty's Precognition allows it to see the distant future of all possible timelines, if there is a power that the Almighty sees in said future, the Almighty will instantly know what the ability is because of the Almighty's Information Analysis, and because the Almighty knows what the ability is, it makes its user immune to that ability because of the Almighty's Reactive Evolution and said ability takes the "user's side" - meaning the ability gets negated via the Almighty's Power Nullification.

From the description, Jagan casts an illusion on the opponent and could make what happens in that illusion, a reality.

If you negate the illusion and become resistant to such an illusion via the power null and reactive evolution of the Almighty, then Jagan is meaningless. All of its other abilities wouldn't be able to take effect since the illusion would not be cast as the Almighty user will have taken the power of Jagan in the future - only if the potency is equalized, of course.


The only reason that Jagan is a better power is because it is 4-D. Meaning that the Almighty's abilities would not work on the Jagan user because of the dimensional difference - but that has nothing to do with versatility. Having a versatile set of abilities means nothing if you can't use them or if they aren't helpful in a fight. All of those extra abilities only work when in the illusion.


If you want to put Jagan above the Almighty because Jagan is on a higher dimensional level, then that is fine - but be consistent with your rules and make the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception second place if that is the case.

If you want to rate which eye ability would be "the most useful or most devastating to fight against" regardless of tier, then put the Almighty above Jagan, as it has the better powers of the two in a fight when potency is ignored.

You need to pick one ruleset or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You are just being biased at that point.
 
Because "lolplot"

There's more to it then that but I can't remember all the specifics of Eden Vital off the top of my head
 
Not yet. There was supposed to be a lot of revisions done but no one knew how to handle the calcs. Nunally's Nightmare has some 7-C stuff though.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
I love how literally nobody wants to argue against the #1 spot.
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All of John's powers come from his eye, right?

So not only is it the most powerful, but it is also the most versatile as well.

It is infallibly the number 1 position.
 
Warren Valion said:
All of John's powers come from his eye, right?
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Not all, but several. Some of them come from equipment, but the majority of them are just applications of his gift.

Also, some of his powers can be done with either-or. (Ex: Probability Manipulation can be done by either "finding" chances/probabilities or using his chaos dice)
 
Are you ******* serious?

What even is the Geass? Why can it work on God?

Okay, so after a bit of a refresher, the reason it works is that the Geass is a power directly tied into the nature of humanity itself. God, or Eden Vital, is the source of/is one with all human minds and subconscious across the multiverse, and Lelouch, who had upgraded his Geass to a two eye version through sheer determination, managed to influence Eden Vital, which normally doesn't act in any capacity due to its lack of a non-contradictory goal or ideal, and causes it to erase Marianne and King Charles from existence.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Warren Valion said:
All of John's powers come from his eye, right?
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Not all, but several. Some of them come from equipment, but the majority of them are just applications of his gift.
Also, some of his powers can be done with either-or. (Ex: Probability Manipulation can be done by either "finding" chances/probabilities or using his chaos dice)
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I see, I still think what I said stands though.

What are your thoughts on my argument with Firephoenixearl and the fluidness of the rules for this thread?
 
Yobo Blue said:
Okay, so after a bit of a refresher, the reason it works is that the Geass is a power directly tied into the nature of humanity itself. God, or Eden Vital, is the source of/is one with all human minds and subconscious across the multiverse, and Lelouch, who had upgraded his Geass to a two eye version through sheer determination, managed to influence Eden Vital, which normally doesn't act in any capacity due to its lack of a non-contradictory goal or ideal, and causes it to erase Marianne and King Charles from existence.
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So it is like God's power being thrown back at him?
 
Something like that. I'd don't think it's ever fully explained, though admittedly there were a lot of shenanigans in the Spin-Off shows which I have not yet see. IIRC there was at one point a 2-A being who was a aspect of Eden Vital
 
But yeah. CG is in utter disrepair and I don't have the calculation ability, backing, or time on my hands to fix it sadly.
 
Warren Valion said:
If you want to put Jagan above the Almighty because Jagan is on a higher dimensional level, then that is fine - but be consistent with your rules and make the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception second place if that is the case.
If you want to rate which eye ability would be "the most useful or most devastating to fight against" regardless of tier, then put the Almighty above Jagan, as it has the better powers of the two in a fight when potency is ignored.
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I do agree with this, after reading it.
 
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