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Ryusei and Baji are comparable. Chifuyu and Ryusei are comparable.Buddy clearly they aren't or chifuyu wouldn't consider the guy fast or skilled like how he says verbatim
They are, it's clear that toman captains are relative to each other.Buddy clearly they aren't or chifuyu wouldn't consider the guy fast or skilled like how he says verbatim
Bro he's literally saying the guy is fast and skilled they're directly shown as being relative by that alone and again it just seems they're relative there neither is displayed as being superhumanly above the other right there that's still relativity
As for the baji thing I'll not even try and argue that
The thing is the calc is absolutely correct and fine mathematically, trying to upscale off of an unaccepted multiplier is not, but the biggest thing is whether or not this would be an outlier by our current standards because this calc would suggest the guy is 30x faster than a guy relative to himself
Also why would Chifuyu think about this guys slashes in the first person yet be wording it about the guys relativity to Baji... like yall are pushing it with that.
Chifuyu thinks that guy is fast and skilled that's his only statements, anything else is headcanon honestly.
The guy is relative to him
Nah I'm not gonna take that reasoning as valid tbh, yall tried to say similiar stuff just rationalizing people being 10x faster than bullets as them just being suicidal and letting them slowly approach and hit them.Chifuyu got hit in the head by a baseball bat before that statement so I don't think his statements should be taken seriously.
Damn so it seems all that time saying they aren't comparable was a lie to yallselves then
So either they're all relative or they aren't which one suits your argumentsIf you ever read the spinoff, you'd know that Kojiro isn't comparable to Baji, and was holding back against ryusei
Kojiro isn't comparable to either of them.Damn so it seems all that time saying they aren't comparable was a lie to yallselves thens
Honestly I don't see why reaction should be considered when the whole feat is an outlier + Chifuyu had the whole time to react to the swing and he already knew the guy was hitting RyuseiLet’s index it like
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But I thought Kojiro was holding back against Ryusei who is comparable to Chifuyu who blatantly called him fast and skilled yet he's not on the level of Baji(seems pretty comparable to me)Kojiro isn't comparable to either of them.
Any support of them treating him as a fodder? With that kind of speed difference they shouldn't even be in the same field.Kojiro isn't comparable to either of them.
It would be kind of a middle ground. Don't personally agree much but if there is enough support for it from staff members.Honestly I don't see why reaction should be considered when the whole feat is an outlier + Chifuyu had the whole time to react to the swing and he already knew the guy was hitting Ryusei
Not in a fight, but when Kojiro was beating him with weapons tied to a chair. He is rougher when it comes to Chifuyu and Baji.But I thought Kojiro was holding back against Ryusei
Because if you were to believe that someone is weak their entire life and they suddenly got strong, you'd think they're strong.I understood nearly nothing here. Can't follow the way this is worded but the way someone fights has nothing to do with their power. Him preferring off guard attacks means nothing for his power when it can be easily explained by not wanting to end up in a tiring fight. Thing is if the other guy was that much faster being caught off guard wouldn't even be an option.
Doesn't really matter when he's still called fast and skilled by one of the comparable guys so you're kinda SOL thereNot in a fight, but when Kojiro was beating him with weapons tied to a chair. He is rougher when it comes to Chifuyu and Baji.
Nah the reasonings just in fact fall shortMy reasoning makes sense, you just can't grasp it
You can comment on someone growing stronger. You ain't commenting on someone thirty times slower than you being impressive. Dude wouldn't even count as a good punching bag. No idea if you are grasping what exactly it is you are proposing but any kind of anti-feat would ruin it and here you haven't even linked anything to support it and no dudes being caught off guard closely avoiding it isn't a good support it's a damn bad one because at those speed differences the very notion of off guard doesn't exist as long as the character isn't blind.Because if you were to believe that someone is weak their entire life and they suddenly got strong, you'd think they're strong.
Mikey was being emotionless the entire final arc, and the first time he saw emotions was when Takemichi could get comparable to Kakucho, does this mean takemichi is relative to Mikey now? Even thought when Mikey was SEVERELY holding back, he could still blitz Takemichi?
My reasoning makes sense, you just can't grasp it
That's also my stance but I would like to see the viewpoint of other members and if they would like to accept it. If there is enough support for just the reactions part it could be applied. Else yeah it's just a feat being calced based on a common fiction troupe and thus should not be accepted.Nah the reasonings just in fact fall short
My compromise is just giving Chifuyu supersonic+ reactions with subsonic+ combat speed.
If we aren't wanting to compromise I've no qualms outright fully rejecting this due to its outliery nature
Ryusei one-shot him.Any support of them treating him as a fodder?
They are still moving relative to each other there, one shotting someone is only AP justification. I'll tell you what one isn't displayed as being superhumanly faster than the other and the "I knew you'd do that" tells me he just read him which doesn't indicate a 30x speed difference at all especially seeing he's still moving relative as well
Ryusei only took a step forward.They are still moving relative to each other there, one shotting someone is only AP justification.
And swung his punch relatively in the same panel before the other guy's connected first after he already read himRyusei only took a step forward.
This is actually just textbook this
The calc implies Chifuyu is 30x faster than a character who scales to Baji who should be superior to Chifuyu in speed and that's a contradiction.
(So Chifuyu >>>>>>>>> Hishi = Baji > Chifuyu)
From the calculation page:
Evading Punches
Refrain from calculating feats based on dodging attacks from other characters at extreme proximity, as this is primarily a trope used to exaggerate a narrow miss rather than a literal representation of overwhelming speed. Taking it at face value is often inconsistent with the battle in which the feat occurs, where the opponents are presented as equals, but the calculation results in them being considered several times faster. This should only be used when the character in question is greatly superior to the one who's attack he is evading and the speed of the attack is concretely stated, such as being able to surpass the speed of sound, or light, or uses a basis in the Real World such as the speed of an athlete's punch. If the two fighters are equal, you should simply scale them to the stated speed of the attack, or off of other feats they perform.
You can see that Kojiro's arm didn't even move forward.And swung his punch relatively in the same panel before the other guy's connected first after he already read him
You see that scene and it makes you say damn one dude is thirty times slower than the other? When the one who fell down got a punch straight to the jaw? I mean a little bit above maybe. But the difference is really small. Also was Kojiro knocked out?
Yes.Also was Kojiro knocked out?
I think we shouldn't even count it as a reaction time honestly, he had the whole time to react to the swing and not just that little timeframe used in the calc especially when he already knew the guy was getting hit, and even since the feat itself is an outlier, so yeah I disagree in using this in general.Anywho who agrees to the compromise or does Corbin speak for everyone here cause otherwise I'm just gonna reject this and keep it pushing
Honestly I don't see why reaction should be considered when the whole feat is an outlier + Chifuyu had the whole time to react to the swing and he already knew the guy was hitting Ryusei
They both just took a step forward, Kojiro started moving earlier.How many steps did Kojiro's opponent took? Kojiro's leg is even a little bit higher than the one he fights against and the position of the arm is already relative to his shoulder and even beyond that. Any other small difference is due to stance and the way they punch. The amount of speed difference implied here means Kojiro should have barely started lifting his leg before the punch arrived.
Barely is an understatement the speed which we're trying to argue here wouldn't even have him move 1cm to even raise his leg let alone step forward to and raise his arm to punch covering seemingly the same distance before the other guy even duffed him while also blitzing everyone in the roomHow many steps did Kojiro's opponent took? Kojiro's leg is even a little bit higher than the one he fights against and the position of the arm is already relative to his shoulder and even beyond that. Any other small difference is due to stance and the way they punch. The amount of speed difference implied here means Kojiro should have barely started lifting his leg before the punch arrived.
I agree with Zefra but if there is enough support for the feat I wouldn't mind it scaling to just reactions.I think we shouldn't even count it as a reaction time honestly, he had the whole time to react to the swing and not just that little timeframe used in the calc especially when he already knew the guy was getting hit, and even since the feat itself is an outlier, so yeah I disagree in using this in general.
Movement speed would only apply to burst movement speed and wouldn't scale to combat speed or reactions as these guys narratively aren't as fast as fighter just movement wiseReaction speed is not accurate. Movement speed makes more sense, I am inclined to lean towards morrishatesyou's side. I do feel as if their arguments aren't being taken seriously and I do believe even though I haven't seen the series that this isn't an outlier and makes sense. Albeit I still disagree with the multiplier statement.
Yes I still think its more accurate then using reaction speed.Movement speed would only apply to burst movement speed and wouldn't scale to combat speed or reactions as these guys narratively aren't as fast as fighter just movement wise
Damn, you didn't have to do me like that but yeah that's the speed being implied here. Was trying to make it seem more natural but a 30X difference ain't bridgable.Barely is an understatement the speed which we're trying to argue here wouldn't even have him move 1cm to even raise his leg let alone step forward to and raise his arm to punch covering seemingly the same distance before the other guy even duffed him while also blitzing everyone in the room
There is literally a specific part on the wiki about that exact kind of situation. Having any amount of talk and not dismissing it outright is already good considering the characters here are all delinguents and not Superman and Random Goon A.Reaction speed is not accurate. Movement speed makes more sense, I am inclined to lean towards morrishatesyou's side. I do feel as if their arguments aren't being taken seriously and I do believe even though I haven't seen the series that this isn't an outlier and makes sense. Albeit I still disagree with the multiplier statement.
I do feel as if you are taking this series as if it is realistic. I decided to take a trip to the home page of 'Tokyo Revengers' and this series is the opposite of realistic.Damn, you didn't have to do me like that but yeah that's the speed being implied here. Was trying to make it seem more natural but a 30X difference ain't bridgable.
There is literally a specific part on the wiki about that exact kind of situation. Having any amount of talk and not dismissing it outright is already good considering the characters here are all delinguents and not Superman and Random Goon A.
It doesn't have to be realistic but it does have to move along the lines of the standards in the wiki. If the mangaka wanted to portray a massive speed difference he did a disastrous job at it and it would be a disservice to other series that TR gets a pass on that.I do feel as if you are taking this series as if it is realistic. I decided to take a trip to the home page of 'Tokyo Revengers' and this series is the opposite of realistic.
Based on what show me a blatant hypersonic feat he performs not via calculations but narrative hypersoniceven though Taiju should be more than 30 times faster.
What exactly did he do wrong here ? Forgive me for being confused but I really don't understand how he or she did a bad job at potraying a speed difference.It doesn't have to be realistic but it does have to move along the lines of the standards in the wiki. If the mangaka wanted to portray a massive speed difference he did a disastrous job at it and it would be a disservice to other series that TR gets a pass on that.