[Toaru] Downgrading Magic Gods' High 1-C Tiering

[deonment]

First because IB isn't AP, so it shouldn't be in the damn AP section, even against a ghost it wouldn't be H1C AP it would still be power null.

Second, people have put Touma against H1C characters because of that, or thought his AP was like that against supernatural attacks.

I don't have a problem keeping IB in the dura section, but AP is a no.

I mean you don't even have to do that, just mention it in the PnA or NA&T, cause those are actually meant to explain how the powers work.

 

[Doggo]

I mean you don't even have to do that, just mention it in the PnA or NA&T, cause those are actually meant to explain how the powers work.

true, this also applies to world rejecter

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, if the powers themselves aren't AP as much as smurf hax, the ratings should be removed from the page and just explained how high they go in the P&A section.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

@Qawsedf234 makes sense above.
I also disagree on the OP.

 

[RitsuØ1]

First because IB isn't AP, so it shouldn't be in the damn AP section, even against a ghost it wouldn't be H1C AP it would still be power null.

I don't have a problem keeping IB in the dura section, but AP is a no.

Maybe try reading the profile first? Scan is provided in the quote below. I'll be logging off with this since it's very late right now.

(Imagine Breaker has the same effect on supernatural bodies as it has on supernatural attacks)

 

[XDragnoir]

Maybe try reading the profile first? Scan is provided in the quote below. I'll be logging off with this since it's very late right now.

what does that prove? IB isn't AP and that quote changes absolutely nothing.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

At most, it proves that Imagine Breaker has durability negation against supernatural bodies... which fits more than a flat-out High 1-C rating, ngl.

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @DontTalkDT @Scrlk666777 @Accelerate420 @XDragnoir @Zensum @Rez @Schnee_One @Problemexe

What do you think should be done here?

 

[ImmortalDread]

I thought the thread is already rejected. The majority are against it and even one admin disapproved it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The most the thread warrants is removing the High 1-C rating from some powers and just saying how high they go in the tabber

 

[RitsuØ1]

@Qawsedf234 @DontTalkDT @Scrlk666777 @Accelerate420 @XDragnoir @Zensum @Rez @Schnee_One @Problemexe

What do you think should be done here?

Same thoughts as Dread.

 

[Zensum]

It looks like changes were already made, but...
No to OP.
Yes to removing High 1-C World Rejector like Curtana.
No removing High 1-C Imagine Breaker, but if it will stop the silly matches than sure. (I think DT was fine with High 1-C IB)

 

[RitsuØ1]

Did someone contact DT yet?

Edit: I just contacted him.

 

[Churronzon]

No to OP.

Is that a no to removing the tiering from Accelerator's vector field as well? If so, could I get a reason?

 

[Zensum]

Is that a no to removing the tiering from Accelerator's vector field as well? If so, could I get a reason?

Been debated to death in the past, it was determined to just leave it at the highest thing he's dealt with.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Been debated to death in the past, it was determined to just leave it at the highest thing he's dealt with.

rip

 

[Churronzon]

Been debated to death in the past, it was determined to just leave it at the highest thing he's dealt with.

Even though that's not how the ability works at all and doesn't determine his limit.

 

[XDragnoir]

Ehhh, Accel's shield has a feat against actual H1C AP so it isn't that bad to stay that way.

 

[Doggo]

Ehhh, Accel's shield has a feat against actual H1C AP so it isn't that bad to stay that way.

Its hax based tho

 

[Doggo]

I agree with removing the tiering for accelerator

 

[Rez]

Its hax based tho

And it still qualifies for durability technically

 

[Churronzon]

Qualifies in the sense that it can be written as "Vector manipulation makes him difficult to kill"

 

[Antvasima]

I thought the thread is already rejected. The majority are against it and even one admin disapproved it.

The most the thread warrants is removing the High 1-C rating from some powers and just saying how high they go in the tabber

Same thoughts as Dread.

It looks like changes were already made, but...
No to OP.
Yes to removing High 1-C World Rejector like Curtana.
No removing High 1-C Imagine Breaker, but if it will stop the silly matches than sure. (I think DT was fine with High 1-C IB)

It seems like quite a lot of changes to our To Aru pages need to be reverted or modified then.

Is somebody knowledgeable here willing and able to handle it please?

 

[XDragnoir]

It seems like quite a lot of changes to our To Aru pages need to be reverted or modified then.

No, the H1C downgrade didn't go through to the profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

I noticed a lot of revisions to the statistics of our To Aru pages very recently, but perhaps I misunderstood their nature then.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I noticed a lot of revisions to the statistics of our To Aru pages very recently, but perhaps I misunderstood their nature then.

Did they leave a note while changing it? Because it could be vandalism in this case.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that they linked to this thread in conjunction.

 

[ImmortalDread]

@Churronzon are you in charge of these modifications?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that @FantaRin_The_First helped out with the recent To Aru statistics revisions.

 

[XDragnoir]

I noticed a lot of revisions to the statistics of our To Aru pages very recently, but perhaps I misunderstood their nature then.

Yeah, there were two verse wide CRTs being approved recently, but nothing came from this thread (the removal of the H1Cs that got this tier via hax was further discussed in these verse wide CRTs).

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Bit busy so can't help too much atm, but...

Well, Accelerator's High 1-C rating for his Vector Shield comes from dealing with a High 1-C attack - but well... as stated before, his shield is a literal reality-warping hax (in simplistic terms) that simply intercepted and redirected said High 1-C attack (if my memory serves me right), which safe to say isn't really durability at all.

Imo, we could just leave a note at the bottom of Accelerator's profile that states his highest demonstrated reflection with his vector shield is a High 1-C, or something along those lines?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I think that @FantaRin_The_First helped out with the recent To Aru statistics revisions.

Yeah, there were two verse wide CRTs being approved recently, but nothing came from this thread (the removal of the H1Cs that got this tier via hax was further discussed in these verse wide CRTs).

Adding on this, my CRTs were focused on the non-god tier (and technically high-tier as well, due to not having any new calcs for them... for now) folks and has been approved and is slowly being applied (this is mostly due to my college workload among other things). Nothing in this specific thread has been applied, but I did link this CRT cuz it contains a topic that I am interested (removal of Accelerator's High 1-C rating, which I didn't attempt include in my own CRT(s) due to me thinking it would be rude to do so since another CRT was doing it) and hoped to draw attention to it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Anyways, like with our Fate or D&D profiles, as long as the potency is explained somewhere I think it would be fine to remove the AP rating.

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, there were two verse wide CRTs being approved recently, but nothing came from this thread (the removal of the H1Cs that got this tier via hax was further discussed in these verse wide CRTs).

Adding on this, my CRTs were focused on the non-god tier (and technically high-tier as well, due to not having any new calcs for them... for now) folks and has been approved and is slowly being applied (this is mostly due to my college workload among other things). Nothing in this specific thread has been applied, but I did link this CRT cuz it contains a topic that I am interested (removal of Accelerator's High 1-C rating, which I didn't attempt include in my own CRT(s) due to me thinking it would be rude to do so since another CRT was doing it) and hoped to draw attention to it.

Okay. No problem then.

Anyways, like with our Fate or D&D profiles, as long as the potency is explained somewhere I think it would be fine to remove the AP rating.

Thank you for helping out.

Have any other staff members commented here, and if so, what do they think?

 

[Schnee_One]

@Qawsedf234 @DontTalkDT @Scrlk666777 @Accelerate420 @XDragnoir @Zensum @Rez @Schnee_One @Problemexe

What do you think should be done here?

I know borderline nothing about To Aru Gods, I have no place here.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Eh, at this point, the God Tiers are safe from downgrade - Now, it is just the topic if Accelerator should lose his High 1-C rating, who only has it cuz of this -

Been debated to death in the past, it was determined to just leave it at the highest thing he's dealt with.

Which kinda doesn't work for durability, and considering how Accel's ability is a hax ability, I am of the opinion that the high 1-C Rating should be removed from Accelerator's Durability, be replaced with Vector Manipulation makes it hard for Accelerator to be harmed in his dura section (or smth along those lines), and mention in a note at the bottom of Accel's profile that High 1-C is the highest thing his vector shield has dealt with.

 

[Rez]

Which kinda doesn't work for durability, and considering how Accel's ability is a hax ability, I am of the opinion that the high 1-C Rating should be removed from Accelerator's Durability, be replaced with Vector Manipulation makes it hard for Accelerator to be harmed in his dura section (or smth along those lines), and mention in a note at the bottom of Accel's profile that High 1-C is the highest thing his vector shield has dealt with.

As long as the potency of the ability is properly explained on the profile somewhere, i think it's fine to remove the high 1-C rating from the durability section.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So what do the rest of you think about updating Accelerator's durability, and is there anything else left to do here?

 

[Doggo]

I noticed a lot of revisions to the statistics of our To Aru pages very recently, but perhaps I misunderstood their nature then.

That's because they are outdated lol

 

[Doggo]

Okay. So what do the rest of you think about updating Accelerator's durability, and is there anything else left to do here?

I agree with removing his high 1-c rating