Time-manipulation/Time-Stop range revisions

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Entire timeline is what missing

Time is entire timeline.
Time is past, present and future.
I beleive going with basic dictionary definitions is most cogent way handling things here.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

If we assume time stop to work on a 4D scale aka all of past present and future and not just the present, it would make immeasurable speed character time stopped too which is a contradiction to infinite speed and immeasurable speed standard

So i only agree with 3-A to high 3-A base on the universe size and only that specific snapshot in the present that is stopped. Not entirety of timeline

 

[Diablo_]

Isn't this pretty simple .I understand the point that it's absurd for some city level noob to have 3A range with time stop .But logically it can't be proved .
Time is like one body . stopping time from my house will also effect the universe .

So unless stated and proven otherwise time stop being 3A by default is fine (at least logically though I hate it )

 

[Arkenis]

Agreed most time stops should not be 3a

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

If we assume time stop to work on a 4D scale aka all of past present and future and not just the present, it would make immeasurable speed character time stopped too which is a contradiction to infinite speed and immeasurable speed standard

Immeasurables are unbound by time anyways. So timestop is irrelevant if 3D(I hate calling time 3D) or 4D.
Only way to affect immeasurables is if it's higher temporal dimensional time stop or something that has feats of bypassing the unconventional speed based resistance.

 

[Shey]

Agree with 3-A default unless displayed or stated to be localized or specific applications

 

[Vietthai96]

Default will be 3-A or High 3-A depend on the universe size of the verse. Well, if no one disagree that is

 

[Sir_Ovens]

By default time stop would span the entire universe unless feats show otherwise. Like the time bombs in the Transformers movie only have an effective range of a few meters. Obviously that isn't 3-A in range.

 

[Reiner04]

@Antvasima every staff and majority non staff has agreed for time manipulation to have same by default range as of time stop, so what to do now? Can changes be applied? Although there are 2 more cases that has been suggested in which time manipulation or time-stop wouldn't be considered universal range; like via gravity manipulation and pocket dimension.

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

 

[Vietthai96]

Space-time manipulation will not be default to universal-ranged. It is entirely different thing and not really related to time as a whole, since space-time hax is just similar to spatial hax

 

[Reiner04]

My bad on wording, I specifically meant Time manipulation page when I said spacetime manipulation . As I've said in the OP.

Time Manipulation

Time Manipulation (sometimes called Chronokinesis) is the ability to control time itself. Examples include time travel, Precognition, slowing down time, speeding up time, etc. As time and space are connected, many users can also manipulate space. Another use of time manipulation is Time Stop...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima every staff and majority non staff has agreed for time manipulation to have same by default range as of time stop, so what to do now? Can changes be applied? Although there are 2 more cases that has been suggested in which time manipulation or time-stop wouldn't be considered universal range; like via gravity manipulation and pocket dimension.

So which staff members have agreed with what here more specifically?

 

[Reiner04]

So which staff members have agreed with what here more specifically?

1- Every staff member agrees with time manipulation page to have same note as time stop page, universal range.

2-Initial Non staff members and pain and KLOL agrees with time manipulation via gravity manipulation to be localised rather than default to universal but I don't know about other staff members opinion on this as no one else said anything about it.

 

[Antvasima]

1- Every staff member agrees with time manipulation page to have same note as time stop page, universal range.

2-Initial Non staff members and pain and KLOL agrees with time manipulation via gravity manipulation to be localised rather than default to universal but I don't know about other staff members opinion on this as no one else said anything about it.

Thank you.

@KingPin0422 @Andytrenom @Pain_to12 @KLOL506 @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Sir_Ovens

Can you clarify please?

Also:

@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Mr._Bambu @Celestial_Pegasus @SomebodyData @SamanPatou @GyroNutz @Abstractions

Does this seem fine to you?

 

[KLOL506]

Time Manip via Gravity is its own thing and shouldn't even be considered a subject of discussion here.

Actual Time Manip is another story, that one is blatant Universal Range bare minimum, unless you can show affecting even the past and futures as well (In which case it's Universal+ but depends on case-by-case in that situation based on what feats the verse shows).

 

[Abstractions]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

I have no problem with these.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

Also agree with this.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Agree with Reiner post

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the replies. It seems best to wait a bit for further staff replies before this change is applied though.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

I can agree with this.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Time Manip via Gravity is its own thing and shouldn't even be considered a subject of discussion here.

Actual Time Manip is another story, that one is blatant Universal Range bare minimum, unless you can show affecting even the past and futures as well (In which case it's Universal+ but depends on case-by-case in that situation based on what feats the verse shows).

I agree with this.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

I'm fine with this actually.

 

[Reiner04]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

It seems like we have sufficient agreements to apply this revision now.

I would prefer a confirmation from @DontTalkDT though.

 

[Reiner04]

Bump

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Time is entire timeline.
Time is past, present and future.
I beleive going with basic dictionary definitions is most cogent way handling things here.

While this is true, it will been still been universal range since time manipulation is only affecting the temporal aspect while the spatial aspect remains unaffected. Only merely stopped as a consequence of time stopped.

Anyway, don’t think this inherently means anything since timeline + universe also still consist of the spatial and temporal dimensions. I never see spatial and temporal dimensions being excluded anyway.

 

[Reiner04]

Any way universal+ is derail so let's not talk about it anymore.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Any way universal+ is derail so let's not talk about it anymore.

It is technically related to time manipulation in the range department and isn’t technically that off topic.

Nonetheless, I do agree with this conclusion.

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask DontTalk for help again, but he seems to be very busy with schoolwork currently.

 

[Reiner04]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

So what currently has been accepted all over:-

• Range of time manipulation would be default to universal unless shown or stated otherwise.
• time manipulation via gravity manipulation will be assumed to be localised rather than default to have universal range unless stated or shown.
• time manipulation via pocket dimensions won't be assumed to have universal range unless shown/stated.

I suppose that we can apply this revision now in lack of better option, unless @DontTalkDT objects to it.

 

[Reiner04]

Uh hmm okay. Gonna be necro ig but it was accepted and should be applied imo.

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT Would you be kind enough to apply the above?

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask him for help.

 

[Bobsican]

Has this been applied then?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably not. I will ask him again.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump.

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT

 

[Antvasima]

I have asked him again.