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What you said is simply place a restriction of less than infinite on 3-A, and I am just trying to explain why High 3-A is still a part of 3-A but just the extreme end of itJust to realise that non of the text above relate to what I said.
All members including me know that 3-A and high 3-A difference is finite and infinite. Maybe it is confusing for new members, but this is being dealt with right now. Even if a dimension is way greater than ours, it will still be 3-A if it is not infinite.Just to realise that non of the text above relate to what I said.
This is what I was saying to add that "regardless how large it is from observable universe sized dimension" but it is not infinite.if it is not infinite.
Yes, infact all the tiers from tier 3 to boundless from vs battle is in my brain, I barely need to look over it again. I don't personally care for low tiers tho.3-A and high 3-A difference is finite and infinite
I have no issues with it. Regardless, though, what were the conclusions made in this thread, exactly?What do you think about this?
Hi, welcome back. Here they are.I have no issues with it. Regardless, though, what were the conclusions made in this thread, exactly?
Well here are some people's view, if i project anyone wrongly please let me know
For @Ultima_Reality
For something to qualify as tier 2, it must be explicitly stated to be such, i.e. "For something to be a space-time continuum, it has to be explicitly referred to as such"
Then he said for supporting arguments things like
1. Time was destroyed
2. You cannot travel to the past of a destroyed universe
Can be used as supporting evidences
For @DontTalkDT been a long time he was here so I cannot really say his stance
For @Agnaa
Pretty much what Ultima said and also he agreed with what DT said sometime back which translates to "Two separate space-time continuums may share the same physical space, if the space between them is a 5-D space". So essentially unless the space between the universes was stated to be a 5-D space, physically traveling among them should not be possible.
In a bit easier term, in a verse where traveling among universes is possible physically, for the verse to qualify for tier 2, there must be
1. A larger space containing all the universes/space-times
2. There must be proof the space is a 5-D space or higher.
For @KingPin0422 agrees with DT posts and also added that branching timelines are not large enough to qualify for tier 2, since there was a point in time that they were the same timeline/space.
For @Pain_to12 Well I agree with everyone of them except Ultima saying there must be an explicit statement as I cannot think of any verse would would do that to begin with. What they do is drop statements and feats here and there and we piece it together, it is rare for it to be straightforward like "each Universe in this Multiverse is its own space-time continuum"
And also I will like to add that time flowing differently (Faster and slower) in two different universes is not enough to say they are of different timelines.
And this will be all the stances, there are no disagreement with these from what I know
This thread decided to be done with tier 3 revisions and decided to revise tier 2 in the fresh thread.I have no issues with it. Regardless, though, what were the conclusions made in this thread, exactly?
If you mean thisWe still need your help here.
Then yeah I think it works.3-A - All Matter in an at least observable universe / At least observable universe sized Pocket Dimension
High 3-A - All Matter in an infinitely sized universe / Infinite sized Pocket Dimension
3-A - A Moment of Time + At least observable universe sized Space
High 3-A - A Moment of Time + Infinite Space
Low 2-C - An Entire Timeline + At least observable universe sized Space
Low 2-C - An Entire Timeline + Infinite Space
What do you mean exactly by the entire timeline? Should be an infinite or normal one?If you mean this
Then yeah I think it works.
Though moment in time is going to cause some questions down the line probably.
All of past, present and future.What do you mean exactly by the entire timeline? Should be an infinite or normal one?
Doesn't inevitably mean infinite? Since the default requirement for low 2-C is the timeline should be infinite if I am not misidentified, that's what I heard from Pain in one of the staff threads.All of past, present and future.
You misread themDoesn't inevitably mean infinite? Since the default requirement for low 2-C is the timeline should be infinite if I am not misidentified, that's what I heard from Pain in one of the staff threads.
Can someone please unlock the Tiering page if my proposed revision is acceptable?Proposed Changes
3-A: Universe level
Characters who can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a finite 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion, alternately create or significantly affect[1] a finite 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.
High 3-A: High Universe level
Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.
Alright, I will rephrase my question once again, “entire timeline” = infinite in low 2-C or not? Or just the default timeline (past --> present --> future)You misread them
What they mean is, blowing up the entire timeline leads to destroying an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of said physical universe across every point in time.
Whereas blowing up just a small portion of time means you're destroying a countably infinite number of snapshots of said physical universe, which is still unquantifiably higher than normal infinite 3-D space High 3-A is. Though the latter part is a subject of debate, the snapshot parts are sort of set in stone here, but they're not really required, they're just an example of what happens when you destroy all of space and time itself (AKA blowing up all of the past, present and future).
Also we're not handling time-related stuff here anymore. Just 3-D aspects.
Yeah, donttalkdt, kingpin both said that default timeline is infinite.entire timeline
Thanks for the clarification. Alright.Yeah, donttalkdt, kingpin both said that default timeline is infinite.
And unless there is a option, it'll be as well in the future.
Inevitably doesn’t mean infinite thoughDoesn't inevitably mean infinite? Since the default requirement for low 2-C is the timeline should be infinite if I am not misidentified, that's what I heard from Pain in one of the staff threads.
I still prefer this for 3-A and High 3-A as it's more concise and covers all bases.How about this?
3-A: Universe level
Characters who can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion that covers the entire space, alternatively those who can significantly affect[1] a 3-D universe or pocket dimension of comparable size without also affecting time.
High 3-A: High Universe level
Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, affecting an infinite 3-D space, or affecting an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by separate spacetime continuums, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.
If it comes down to it, we might actually have to do a vote on which options to pick. I am neutral on the options being used hereI still prefer this for 3-A and High 3-A as it's more concise and covers all bases.
Proposed Changes
3-A: Universe level
Characters who can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a finite 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion, alternately create or significantly affect[1] a finite 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.
High 3-A: High Universe level
Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.
How about this?
3-A: Universe level
Characters who can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion that covers the entire space, alternatively those who can significantly affect[1] a 3-D universe or pocket dimension of comparable size without also affecting time.
High 3-A: High Universe level
Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, affecting an infinite 3-D space, or affecting an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by separate spacetime continuums, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.
In firestorm's version distinction between 3a and high 3a has been established by limiting 3a to be finite.Okay, and are there any practical consequences for the distinctions between your and KingPin's versions?
Thank you for the clarifications.In firestorm's version distinction between 3a and high 3a has been established by limiting 3a to be finite.
In kingpin version of 3a it has been established that regardless of how much matter is present in the observable sized dimension, destroying it wouldn't get you to 3a but through a explosion that covers that entire space.
Other then these 2 there is no practical difference.
I agree with this conclusion.Both have something good that should be combined into one ig.
Yes.
@Firestorm808 I added it, just addition of "that covers the entire space" was only thing that was different.Proposed Changes
3-A: Universe level
Characters who can create or destroy all celestial bodies within a finite 3-D space at least equivalent in size to the observable universe via an omnidirectional explosion that covers the entire space, alternately create or significantly affect[1] a finite 3-D universe or a pocket dimension of comparable size, which does not involve the destruction and/or creation of space-time.
High 3-A: High Universe level
Characters who demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.