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I guess this is fine.
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Welcome back after 69 years.Insert joke about disagreeing with Tier 1 Dragon Ball here.
Anyway, I'm in agreement, and think that a Possibly Tier 1 Zeno is fine.
if i may ask, why a possibly rating? its pretty blatant that zeno destroys the timeline, unless you have some reservations about the timelines themselvesSomeone has informed me that their is disagreement with me suggesting that Zeno would only get a Possibly and not a full rating. My opinion on that is Possibly doesn't actually change much and just serves to show that their might be some issues somewhere.
Agree with everyone above scaling as well.
I don't mind Dragon Ball Heroes characters being Tier 1, nor do I mind Arale having Low 1-C stuff given her R>F stuff (Unless Ultima's proposal ends up making that an even bigger upgrade). But I'm unsure about Zeno or individual "Timelines" being Low 1-C structures. But I'm not going argue against it if I'm outvoted.
The changes seem fine.
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I guess this is fine.
Insert joke about disagreeing with Tier 1 Dragon Ball here.
Anyway, I'm in agreement, and think that a Possibly Tier 1 Zeno is fine.
only 2 out of the seven had any contention on a definitive ratingZeno's rating is deemed invalid since there is currently no consensus on a definitive rating. The opinions are divided between considering it solid or possibly rating.
Mind listing other profiles, so I can revert them back if you don't mind.@ImmortalDread
Your going to have to revert the changes earlier than that, their were several changes made after it was unlocked, and Zeno's wasn't the only profile that was unlocked or changed based off this.
Son Goku (Xeno)Mind listing other profiles, so I can revert them back if you don't mind.
Isn't the majority agreement still on Zen'o scaling outright?
Timelines are accepted as Low 1-C, but only 5 staff members agree with solid for Zeno and 2 staff members want possibly for Zeno.What exactly are the contentions with Zen'ō scaling fully? Are timelines in DBS not accepted as Low 1-C?
You wanna specify that?From what I'm reading of the thread, it seems that some people don't understand the logic behind Zeno being Low 1-C, but are fine with Low 1-C Zeno if the majority are fine with it.
Twelve universes and an infinite Zamasu instances are not rated as low 1-C. We have agreed that the former is explicitly not low 1-C but rather a multiverse. The latter comprises three universal space-time continuums, making it still 2-C.As far as I am aware, the overarching timelines were accepted as Low 1-C individually, so Zen'o would scale via being able to destroy this.
Not the 12 universes. The timeline that encompasses those universes.Twelve universes and an infinite Zamasu instances are not rated as low 1-C. We have agreed that the former is explicitly not low 1-C but rather a multiverse. The latter comprises three universal space-time continuums, making it still 2-C.
Unless they scale to someone else, I am fine with it, but I don't see any evidence of that in their profiles.
each of the 12 universes are accepted to have their own timeroom, which contains past,present and future, that wouldnt work.I guess you could probably make the claim that Zen'o only erased the "present" of that timeline and thus the 12 macrocosms at that point but the timeline in its entirety is definitely Low 1-C as far as I can gather from the revision conclusions.
He erased the entire timeline, as the time ring representing said timeline is nowhere to be found (and directly shown in the manga to be destroyed). This is the reason why Whis had to transport Trunks and Mai to a new one entirely.Not the 12 universes. The timeline that encompasses those universes.
I guess you could probably make the claim that Zen'o only erased the "present" of that timeline and thus the 12 macrocosms at that point but the timeline in its entirety is definitely Low 1-C as far as I can gather from the revision conclusions.
Also, yeah. The cosmology page really shouldn't include quotations of standards that are already met. Those should be removed.
I'm talking about the timeline that embeds the 12 universes. It is entirely possible to destroy the 12 universes across their past, present, and future while still only destroying the multiverse as it exists in the "present" of the overarching time flow.each of the 12 universes are accepted to have their own timeroom, which contains past,present and future, that wouldnt work.
In that case, yeah. He should be Low 1-C.He erased the entire timeline, as the time ring representing said timeline is nowhere to be found (and directly shown in the manga to be destroyed). This is the reason why Whis had to transport Trunks and Mai to a new one entirely.
The 12 universes are 4-dimensional timelines in and of themselves. They're part of a higher timeline that encompasses them all (represented by Time Rings) in the same way the timeline of a universe encompasses the past, present, and future versions of its planets, stars, etc. This timeline is Low 1-C. The multiverse of 12 universes at any given moment, is 2-C. That's the gist of what's meant by the multiverse not being Low 1-C in and of itself, to my knowledge.Mhm
My concern revolves around whether we consider every “timeline” to be an "overarching timeline." He only erased the timeline that is mechanically equivalent to the multiverse (which consists of 12 universal space-time continuums), and that's why I believe it is not an overarching timeline. And also agreed that those multiverses are not low 1-C by default.
Sorry to speak here. Though it would help to clarify Zeno's erasure of the timeline even more. In Dragon Ball's official site it's stated that:The 12 universes are 4-dimensional timelines in and of themselves. They're part of a higher timeline that encompasses them all (represented by Time Rings) in the same way the timeline of a universe encompasses the past, present, and future versions of its planets, stars, etc. This timeline is Low 1-C. The multiverse of 12 universes at any given moment, is 2-C. That's the gist of what's meant by the multiverse not being Low 1-C in and of itself, to my knowledge.
So a time dimension just encompassing multiple timelines should in itself indeed not suffice, as that could still go into the same direction (i.e. flow into the same future, just on a spatially greater scale). - DT's first premise
I think the confusion here comes from the fact that prior to the recent CRT, there was never any distinction between the 12 universes and the timeline as far as destroying them went, so it wasn't emphasised on the profile.I am not sure of this. If I remember correctly, DT has mentioned that those type of multiverses by default are not low 1-C. This is why I believe this timeline is simply a multiverse structure.
Unless, I am not updated whether his premise has changed or not. So in essence, do we default every “timeline” to a higher dimensional timeline in DB? If you check the scans in the accepted profile:
And the feats are: (also in the accepted profile)
- He is capable of destroying the "world".
- Beerus confirming the statement
with a single ki blast. ---> Conclusion: Should be capable of erasing 18 universes (Each universe consists of 3 universe sized space-times)
- Future Zen'ō effortlessly erased everything, including all 12 universes
- Infinite Zamasu
My belief here is (or as far as my understanding goes), the best accepted feat here is that he is capable of destroying 54 space-time continuums.