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Tier 1 DB: Application
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I fully agree
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This is a staff discussion. Posting comments here is only permitted if you have authorization from a staff member with evaluation rights. Unauthorized comments are not allowed.
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Insert joke about disagreeing with Tier 1 Dragon Ball here.
Anyway, I'm in agreement, and think that a Possibly Tier 1 Zeno is fine.
Anyway, I'm in agreement, and think that a Possibly Tier 1 Zeno is fine.
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Welcome back after 69 years.
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Someone has informed me that their is disagreement with me suggesting that Zeno would only get a Possibly and not a full rating. My opinion on that is Possibly doesn't actually change much and just serves to show that their might be some issues somewhere.
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if i may ask, why a possibly rating? its pretty blatant that zeno destroys the timeline, unless you have some reservations about the timelines themselves
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Well I don't have strong feelings either way, but other people do.
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Sorry for quoting you all but anyway, 48 hours mark is reached, so, since there are mostly agreements, and the thread is inactivity, would any of you mind if thread and blog get applied???
Edit: Forget, i have permission to comment from @LordGriffin1000
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we did it vsbw. db downplay is no more.
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So is seems @ProfectusInfinity had @Catzlaflame unlocked the profiles and have already changed them before the final agreement was made. Including Zeno's.
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Zeno's rating is deemed invalid since there is currently no consensus on a definitive rating. The opinions are divided between considering it solid or possibly rating.
I will revert the changes accordingly.
@Catzlaflame You are required to evaluate the requests carefully before unlocking pages.
I will revert the changes accordingly.
@Catzlaflame You are required to evaluate the requests carefully before unlocking pages.
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only 2 out of the seven had any contention on a definitive rating
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sigh.
Please make sure a thread has been fully accepted, discussed, and concluded before requesting a page unlock.
My sincerest apologies. I only looked at the vote count and used Ctr+f to confirm the first few listed staff members agreed. i.e., Planck and Qawsdef (in their original comment at least). Moving forward, I will be far more thorough with my analysis before unlocking a page. Thank you @ImmortalDread for correcting it.
sigh.
Please make sure a thread has been fully accepted, discussed, and concluded before requesting a page unlock.
My sincerest apologies. I only looked at the vote count and used Ctr+f to confirm the first few listed staff members agreed. i.e., Planck and Qawsdef (in their original comment at least). Moving forward, I will be far more thorough with my analysis before unlocking a page. Thank you @ImmortalDread for correcting it.
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Your going to have to revert the changes earlier than that, their were several changes made after it was unlocked, and Zeno's wasn't the only profile that was unlocked or changed based off this.
Your going to have to revert the changes earlier than that, their were several changes made after it was unlocked, and Zeno's wasn't the only profile that was unlocked or changed based off this.
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Mind listing other profiles, so I can revert them back if you don't mind.
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Bambu seemed to have fixed Zeno
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These are the ones I can see.
Chaos Ball
The Chaos Ball is a black hole which Mechikabura created in order to absorb the multiverse into himself, or in his own words: make Time his. He later merged with it, attainng his own version of the Time Power Unleashed state Tier: Low 1-C Name: Chaos Ball Origin: Super Dragon Ball Heroes Age...
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Vegeta (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
Vegeta (ベジータ, Bejīta?), more specifically Vegeta IV (ベジータ四世よんせい, Bejīta Yonsei?), recognized as Prince Vegeta (ベジータ王おう子じ, Bejīta Ōji?) is the prince of the fallen Saiyan race and the husband of Bulma, the father of Trunks and Bulla, the eldest son of King Vegeta. Referred to as "CC Vegeta" by...
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Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?), referred to as "CC Goku" by fans, is a version of Goku in Super Dragon Ball Heroes who is a major protagonist in the game's narrative, appearing in the Universe Mission, Big Bang Mission and Ultra God Mission. He is confirmed to have experienced anime version of...
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Son Goku (Xeno)
At some point in history, an alternative timeline version of Son Goku becomes a fundamental ally to the Time Patrol when he is recruited as a Time Patroller by the Supreme Kai of Time. Tier: Low 1-C | Low 1-C | Low 1-C | Low 1-C Key: Dark Demon Realm Mission | Universe Mission | Big Bang Mission...
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Vegeta (Xeno)
Vegeta (Xeno) is a version of Vegeta from an alternate timeline who becomes a fundamental ally to the Time Patrol when he is recruited as a Time Patroller by the Supreme Kai of Time. Tier: Low 1-C | Low 1-C | Low 1-C | Low 1-C Key: Dark Demon Realm Mission | Universe Mission | Big Bang Mission |...
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Son Goku (Xeno)
Son Goku (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
also i did edit those profiles since they are unlocked, but i only add scrollbox to the P&A section
Ninja'd by @Everything12
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Done
@BasedNecoScaler69 This is a staff thread, and the rules for content revision threads do not apply in this case. Therefore, the 48-hour grace period does not apply here.
@BasedNecoScaler69 This is a staff thread, and the rules for content revision threads do not apply in this case. Therefore, the 48-hour grace period does not apply here.
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@Everything12 @Elizhaa @UchihaSlayer96 @Planck69 @Qawsedf234 @LordGriffin1000 @DarkDragonMedeus So, what’s the final consensus here?
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What exactly are the contentions with Zen'ō scaling fully? Are timelines in DBS not accepted as Low 1-C?
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Timelines are accepted as Low 1-C, but only 5 staff members agree with solid for Zeno and 2 staff members want possibly for Zeno.
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From what I'm reading of the thread, it seems that some people don't understand the logic behind Zeno being Low 1-C, but are fine with Low 1-C Zeno if the majority are fine with it.
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You wanna specify that?
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As far as my understanding goes, Zeno's scaling is derived from claims that he can annihilate 12 universes (and the entire “multiverse”) and has demonstrated the ability to erase infinite Zamasu.
I'm not here to challenge the tier 1 reasoning/backstory, as this isn't the appropriate place for such discussions. However, is anyone attempting to elucidate why Zeno would be scaled to low 1-C? While we acknowledge that the entire cosmology falls under low 1-C, there is no explicit statement or proof indicating Zeno's capability to obliterate the structure of the cosmology itself; instead, it seems to pertain to entities within it, such as the multiverse and infinite Zamasu.
In my perspective, this still aligns with a 2-C tier. I don't believe we have reached a consensus that the multiverses comprising these universes are inherently low 1-C.
In a very serious tone, blogs of this nature should never be added to the verse page if three-fourths of the content is dedicated solely to clarifying standards. It is advisable to either eliminate such sections or succinctly explain the workings of the cosmology in Dragon Ball without repetitively attempting to convince readers about our standards. We already have dedicated pages for this purpose, rendering such redundant additions unnecessary.
@ProfectusInfinity, I am not attempting to cause any trouble; however, I request that you strictly adhere to our guidelines for explanation pages. If your primary goal is to elucidate the workings of overarching timelines, such elaborate details are superfluous. It would suffice to explain the rationale behind tier 1 DB, specifically “Dragon Ball's higher time dimension”, “Other supporting evidence” and “Conclusion” section without delving into unnecessary repetitions.
I'm not here to challenge the tier 1 reasoning/backstory, as this isn't the appropriate place for such discussions. However, is anyone attempting to elucidate why Zeno would be scaled to low 1-C? While we acknowledge that the entire cosmology falls under low 1-C, there is no explicit statement or proof indicating Zeno's capability to obliterate the structure of the cosmology itself; instead, it seems to pertain to entities within it, such as the multiverse and infinite Zamasu.
In my perspective, this still aligns with a 2-C tier. I don't believe we have reached a consensus that the multiverses comprising these universes are inherently low 1-C.
In a very serious tone, blogs of this nature should never be added to the verse page if three-fourths of the content is dedicated solely to clarifying standards. It is advisable to either eliminate such sections or succinctly explain the workings of the cosmology in Dragon Ball without repetitively attempting to convince readers about our standards. We already have dedicated pages for this purpose, rendering such redundant additions unnecessary.
@ProfectusInfinity, I am not attempting to cause any trouble; however, I request that you strictly adhere to our guidelines for explanation pages. If your primary goal is to elucidate the workings of overarching timelines, such elaborate details are superfluous. It would suffice to explain the rationale behind tier 1 DB, specifically “Dragon Ball's higher time dimension”, “Other supporting evidence” and “Conclusion” section without delving into unnecessary repetitions.
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Twelve universes and an infinite Zamasu instances are not rated as low 1-C. We have agreed that the former is explicitly not low 1-C but rather a multiverse. The latter comprises three universal space-time continuums, making it still 2-C.
Unless they scale to someone else, I am fine with it, but I don't see any evidence of that in their profiles.
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Not the 12 universes. The timeline that encompasses those universes.
I guess you could probably make the claim that Zen'o only erased the "present" of that timeline and thus the 12 macrocosms at that point but the timeline in its entirety is definitely Low 1-C as far as I can gather from the revision conclusions.
Also, yeah. The cosmology page really shouldn't include quotations of standards that are already met. Those should be removed.
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each of the 12 universes are accepted to have their own timeroom, which contains past,present and future, that wouldnt work.
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He erased the entire timeline, as the time ring representing said timeline is nowhere to be found (and directly shown in the manga to be destroyed). This is the reason why Whis had to transport Trunks and Mai to a new one entirely.
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I'm talking about the timeline that embeds the 12 universes. It is entirely possible to destroy the 12 universes across their past, present, and future while still only destroying the multiverse as it exists in the "present" of the overarching time flow.
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In that case, yeah. He should be Low 1-C.
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Mhm
My concern revolves around whether we consider every “timeline” to be an "overarching timeline." He only erased the timeline that is mechanically equivalent to the multiverse (which consists of 12 universal space-time continuums), and that's why I believe it is not an overarching timeline. And also agreed that those multiverses are not low 1-C by default.
My concern revolves around whether we consider every “timeline” to be an "overarching timeline." He only erased the timeline that is mechanically equivalent to the multiverse (which consists of 12 universal space-time continuums), and that's why I believe it is not an overarching timeline. And also agreed that those multiverses are not low 1-C by default.
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The 12 universes are 4-dimensional timelines in and of themselves. They're part of a higher timeline that encompasses them all (represented by Time Rings) in the same way the timeline of a universe encompasses the past, present, and future versions of its planets, stars, etc. This timeline is Low 1-C. The multiverse of 12 universes at any given moment, is 2-C. That's the gist of what's meant by the multiverse not being Low 1-C in and of itself, to my knowledge.
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Sorry to speak here. Though it would help to clarify Zeno's erasure of the timeline even more. In Dragon Ball's official site it's stated that:
The heroes fought valiantly in an arduous battle, but the immortal Zamasu remained undefeated even after his body was worn down by Vegito's relentless onslaught and rent asunder by a final swing of Trunks' sword. When hope was all but lost, Goku had the idea to call upon the lord of all universes, Zeno, who then erased not only Zamasu but the entirety of Trunks' future timeline from reality.
Trunks had lost his home, but with hope in his heart he decided to use the time machine to travel to a new future timeline before Zamasu's terrible plot took place and try once more to create a peaceful world.
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I am not sure of this. If I remember correctly, DT has mentioned that those type of multiverses by default are not low 1-C. This is why I believe this timeline is simply a multiverse structure.
Unless, I am not updated whether his premise has changed or not. So in essence, do we default every “timeline” to a higher dimensional timeline in DB? If you check the scans in the accepted profile:
My belief here is (or as far as my understanding goes), the best accepted feat here is that he is capable of destroying 54 space-time continuums. I don't believe “everything” should be equated as "entirety of the cosmological structure" but rather the amount of space-time continuums that his capabilities has been shown.
Unless, I am not updated whether his premise has changed or not. So in essence, do we default every “timeline” to a higher dimensional timeline in DB? If you check the scans in the accepted profile:
- He is capable of destroying the "world".
- Beerus confirming the statement
- Future Zen'ō effortlessly erased everything, including all 12 universes
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My belief here is (or as far as my understanding goes), the best accepted feat here is that he is capable of destroying 54 space-time continuums. I don't believe “everything” should be equated as "entirety of the cosmological structure" but rather the amount of space-time continuums that his capabilities has been shown.
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I think the confusion here comes from the fact that prior to the recent CRT, there was never any distinction between the 12 universes and the timeline as far as destroying them went, so it wasn't emphasised on the profile.
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Given what Planck has said, I think Zen'ō fully scaling should be fine.
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