tier 1 characters you know but not on this wiki

[Galaxi789]

Personajes de nivel 1 que conoces pero no en esta wiki

 

[ShockingPsychic]

The "Dad" ARG series has a Tier 1 character. I was gonna make a profile, but I haven't seen the series in a year or two, and am still pretty behind.

 

[Laurcus]

Monster Girl Quest is a verse with quite a lot of tier 1 characters. It's a hentai verse that used to have some profiles on this wiki but it was removed for being, well, hentai. Back then the strongest characters were only 2-C but the verse has gotten a lot crazier since. Basically the 2-C characters were gods that were so weak they didn't even know they were at the bottom of a massive cosmic hierarchy that exists on a level of reality far beyond their perceptions.

 

[Galaxi789]

Monster Girl Quest es un verso con bastantes personajes de nivel 1. Es un verso hentai que solía tener algunos perfiles en este wiki pero fue eliminado por ser, bueno, hentai. En ese entonces, los personajes más fuertes eran solo 2-C, pero el verso se ha vuelto mucho más loco desde entonces. Básicamente, los personajes de 2-C eran dioses que eran tan débiles que ni siquiera sabían que estaban en la parte inferior de una jerarquía cósmica masiva que existe en un nivel de realidad mucho más allá de sus percepciones.

you know another verse can qualify for one level 1

 

[Marius_the_grey]

Monster Girl Quest is a verse with quite a lot of tier 1 characters. It's a hentai verse that used to have some profiles on this wiki but it was removed for being, well, hentai. Back then the strongest characters were only 2-C but the verse has gotten a lot crazier since. Basically the 2-C characters were gods that were so weak they didn't even know they were at the bottom of a massive cosmic hierarchy that exists on a level of reality far beyond their perceptions.

the strongest characters in Original Trilogy cannot be any less than 2-A, due to them scaling to the likes of OG trilogy Black Alice and Ilias who are stronger than weakened Early to mid game Ilias who could oneshot regular White Rabbit an entity who control over the Labyrinth of Chaos, which is an endless tower made out of infinite pockets of space-time created from previously erased universes, so 2-A top tiers in MGQ Original Trilogy, while in Paradox the companions deserve to be least 1-B possibly Low 1-A depending on what argument do you use for the companions in Paradox who more or less scale to the Apostles themselves and the Father of Chaos Luka which makes MGQ to be far more insane in power scaling than you and i would like to believe sir.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Backrooms wikidot.

 

[Iiliminal]

hajun mercurius ren etc.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

hajun mercurius ren etc.

their power depends largely on arguments if we use extra material we can put them perhaps they would sit at either 1-B, High 1-B, Low 1-A, or 1-A, depending on how it's translated.

 

[Laurcus]

the strongest characters in Original Trilogy cannot be any less than 2-A, due to them scaling to the likes of OG trilogy Black Alice and Ilias who are stronger than weakened Early to mid game Ilias who could oneshot regular White Rabbit an entity who control over the Labyrinth of Chaos, which is an endless tower made out of infinite pockets of space-time created from previously erased universes, so 2-A top tiers in MGQ Original Trilogy, while in Paradox the companions deserve to be least 1-B possibly Low 1-A depending on what argument do you use for the companions in Paradox who more or less scale to the Apostles themselves and the Father of Chaos Luka which makes MGQ to be far more insane in power scaling than you and i would like to believe sir.

The White Rabbit is tricky because she has no real durability feats and seems to die to anything that looks at her funny. Of course no one has been able to kill her for real but it seems relatively easy to kill her individual bodies.

I more or less agree with the rest of what you say, though we haven't even seen the true Father of Chaos yet as Luka's Logos Magia form is just an avatar and the true Father is the embodiment of the whole verse.

Personally I think the Apostles are 1-A or even high 1-A based on all the crazy stuff that happens in Shrift EX4. I mean, the Shrift cosmology is utterly massive. We know demon weapons are infinite dimensional because of how Hyakki explains the spacetime bomb. There's uncountably infinite demon realms where these infinite dimensional weapons are forged, and just a single demon realm contains all of religion and mythology, with Buddhism, Greek myth and the Cthulhu mythos being called out by name. All of these uncountably infinite infinite dimensional realms share a reality/fiction difference with the Abyss and Multiverse Space, which Lucifer specifically says is incomprehensible even to infinite dimensional demons with their mastery over spatial dimensions.

And then of course Abaddon destroys the entire verse before he gets one shotted by Samael. Then Luka transforms into his Logos Magia form and he's literally 1 quintillion times stronger than Samael, who is stated to be able to destroy all of existence with a single swing of his sword. And then as strong as LM Luka is after the power splits off from him and creates Runaway Luka, the Apostle Cleo Adra kills him in one hit. Then it's revealed that there's realms beyond the collab verse that collectively make Shrift, MGQ and The Three Charms look like a "speck."

And the Father of Chaos is completely outside of that hierarchy as even the Apostes and the concept of space and time are like skin flakes of his body which exists in a place called Absolute Space which no other beings can see or comprehend.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

The White Rabbit is tricky because she has no real durability feats and seems to die to anything that looks at her funny. Of course no one has been able to kill her for real but it seems relatively easy to kill her individual bodies.

I more or less agree with the rest of what you say, though we haven't even seen the true Father of Chaos yet as Luka's Logos Magia form is just an avatar and the true Father is the embodiment of the whole verse.

Personally I think the Apostles are 1-A or even high 1-A based on all the crazy stuff that happens in Shrift EX4. I mean, the Shrift cosmology is utterly massive. We know demon weapons are infinite dimensional because of how Hyakki explains the spacetime bomb. There's uncountably infinite demon realms where these infinite dimensional weapons are forged, and just a single demon realm contains all of religion and mythology, with Buddhism, Greek myth and the Cthulhu mythos being called out by name. All of these uncountably infinite infinite dimensional realms share a reality/fiction difference with the Abyss and Multiverse Space, which Lucifer specifically says is incomprehensible even to infinite dimensional demons with their mastery over spatial dimensions.

And then of course Abaddon destroys the entire verse before he gets one shotted by Samael. Then Luka transforms into his Logos Magia form and he's literally 1 quintillion times stronger than Samael, who is stated to be able to destroy all of existence with a single swing of his sword. And then as strong as LM Luka is after the power splits off from him and creates Runaway Luka, the Apostle Cleo Adra kills him in one hit. Then it's revealed that there's realms beyond the collab verse that collectively make Shrift, MGQ and The Three Charms look like a "speck."

And the Father of Chaos is completely outside of that hierarchy as even the Apostes and the concept of space and time are like skin flakes of his body which exists in a place called Absolute Space which no other beings can see or comprehend.

High 1-A and higher is ridiculous, Low 1-A as a highball max for now is far better, the at least 1-B possibly Low 1-A comes from what I saw in the Shrift EX4 which is what i played entirely, infinite dimensions do not mean anything anymore unless the dimensions see the lesser ones as fiction, just because it mentions mythologies does not mean anything since the original stories are not here they are the author's interpretation of Cthulhu Mythos Buddhism and other religions mentioned, which are vastly different than their original counterparts it does not matter if the Cthulhu mythos is mentioned cause those are the Shrift's version of Cthulhu Mythos and every single religion which cannot scale to the original version simply because they do not appear in the original texts made by the original authors nor they appear in oral traditions of those beings.

also MGQ + Collab do have the required narrative stacks to make it 1-A to high 1-A, so your personal opinion on MGQ + Collab deserving 1-A to High 1-A ought to be rejected because we do not have the required narrative stacks, all those dimensions have to see eachother as fiction, Aphophatic Theology could be used as an argument for Low 1-A to 1-A in Father of Chaos's case but that can be done only when Part 3 is released.

i agree with your 2nd 4th and 5th paragraphs but 3rd ought to be partly dismissed since those dimensions are not shown to be like infinite layers of higher dimensions seeing the lesser ones as less than fiction nor those worlds are hinted to have the narrative stacks nor they fill any requirement to qualify for 1-A and Above, we only get at the least 1-B possibly Low 1-A in EX4 Shrift talks about involves MGQ + other collab verses related to MGQ, anything beyond that currently is hogwash.

that there's realms beyond the collab verse that collectively make Shrift, MGQ and The Three Charms look like a "speck. can be easily interpreted as option A either the sum of all Verses that are interacting with MGQ, or Option B an actual refference to the Omniverse/Actual Omniverse.

The Actual Omniverse is not Marvel Omniverse nor Dc Omniverse nor any other Omniverse instead it is every reality, including those published by all other companies. Even fan-fictions, cancelled works, mere fantasies, wishes of thoughts created by people, future comic book publishing companies and fictional universes yet to be published are considered part of the Omniverse; simply put, the Omniverse is every version of reality and existence imaginable and unimaginable. It is the set of all the infinite stories that have been told throughout infinitude, plus the real world itself.

There can be one and only one Omniverse in existence (all pieces of fiction that stemmed from it). No matter how many Omniverses an author creates in fiction, the universe conceptualized will only amount to a multiversal scale and above since nothing can be considered an Omniverse without every possible and impossible universe and multiverse that will or will not exist.

verses that are a part of the Omniverse

• Animeverse: The Multiverse of all existing anime, such as Dragon Ball, One Punch Man, Naruto, Devilman, Saint Seiya, or Bleach, among the other 10,681 anime released, and and all others that are releasing and will be released. This Multiverse also includes the Manga and Light Novels respectively.
• Gameverse: The Multiverse of all games, such as Minecraft, Terraria, Call of Duty, God of War, Devil May Cry, Kirby, Mario, Sonic, among the other 40,000 known already released games, along with all the unknown and yet to be released. This Multiverse also includes tabletop games like RPGs, although this one also has its own Multiverse.
• Comicverse: The Multiverse of all existing comics, that is, DC Comics, Marvel Comics, Image Comics, as well as Vertigo, ABC Comics, Helix Comics, Zuda Comics, Impact Comics, and Tangent Comics, among many others. Note that while the God of Gods and Demons has a DC equivalent called The Presence and Marvel One-Above-All, with Yesh even sharing names and titles, they are not the same entity manifesting through multiple avatars. The idea of an "Omni-Creator" is broken by something called Copyright, which is far more powerful than the Admins of Gods and Demons and any other author. Also, it doesn't matter that in Marvel or DC there are "Omniverses", they are still part of the Omniverse, as it is impossible for a fictional character to affect other fictions, let alone create all existing fictional worlds and the real world.
• Fanfictionverse: The Multiverse where fanfictions reside refers to stories created by fans of a particular work or fandom. While there are in fanfic things like characters "above omnipotence" or a world beyond the Omniverse, these terms and phrases are totally meaningless. Any universe created by any author will be, and always will be, just one universe and one cell of the Omniverse, no matter how "extra-fictional" it is, or how many other terms for something supposedly beyond the "Omniverse" is created, will continue to always as part of the Omniverse, just as 1 and 2 will always be part of infinity, no matter how many infinite decimal places are between 1 and 2. It is impossible for a fictional or metafictional character to create or destroy the Omniverse.
• The Real World: The Real World, the place where you and i + all other humans from our world live

all of those are a part of the Omniverse MGQ + Shrift + other Collab are also parts of the Actual Omniverse under the gameverse section, if we go by your logic then Father of Chaos Ought to be The Omni-Creator aka the Transfictional Concept of God which means that all supreme beings across are one and the same entity regardless if their names are Father of Chaos, Eru Iluvatar, YHWH, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Waaq Odin, Tori-Bot, Bathala, Para-Brahman, The Emperor Beyond The Sea, God from Unsong, The Monad from Gnosticism and all sorts of known and unknown supreme beings across all of fiction and religon, they are all the same being so according to this all humans in our world are worshipping the Father of Chaos without knowing it, if we pick up the option B which of course would only mean that Father of Chaos Luka would transcend the notion of Tiering System in the same manner the strongest tier 0 transcends the weakest tier 11.

so in conclusion the mention of there's realms beyond realms beyond the ones from Collab ought to be rejected unless it talks about all the verses that are involved in a collab with the story of MGQ cause it leads to the Omniverse thing which is ridiculous.

now let's return back to the good stuff aka the topic of scaling dimensional tiering and where MGQ would deserve to be placed,

Socrates you should read this article https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ https://vsbattles.com/ if you want to know what means to to transcend dimensions, so busting infinite dimensional entities, or having some infinite dimensional weapons does not make you automatically High 1-B like it did in the past unless they see an infinite amount of lesser dimensions with a reality-fiction difference, not just in relation to Multiverse Space and Abyss, and remember the demon realms within the Shrift contain the local versions of all of the religion and mythology which do not scale to the actual mythology since Shrift is not a part of those cosmologies, at most those structures could be argued to be either low 1-C or 1-C or any other tier you can think of but 1-B and above does not suffice for them.

since Luka is the direct Manifestation of Father of Chaos the Companions ought to scale to this portion of Father of Chaos's power so they can reach in theory at most 1-A but what kind of layer is unkown, but this 1-A scaling can be possible is only because of the Apophatic Theology not any other reason.

here are several pages that talk about tiering system and dimensions https://vsbattles.com/threads/analyzing-the-tiering-system.63840/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/tieri...and-mathematics-revision.139319/#post-4920638 https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-...t-tiering-system-standards-1-a-and-up.135076/

all of those links will give good info far better than I could ever hope and they will explain well enough about how tiering system works here and is different and stranger than you and I would assume.

however statements about white rabbit can be almost as reliable as feats themselves if they are consistent with what happens in the plot.

 

[Iiliminal]

well these are pretty long replies

 

[Laurcus]

High 1-A and higher is ridiculous, Low 1-A as a highball max for now is far better, the at least 1-B possibly Low 1-A comes from what I saw in the Shrift EX4 which is what i played entirely, infinite dimensions do not mean anything anymore unless the dimensions see the lesser ones as fiction, just because it mentions mythologies does not mean anything since the original stories are not here they are the author's interpretation of Cthulhu Mythos Buddhism and other religions mentioned, which are vastly different than their original counterparts it does not matter if the Cthulhu mythos is mentioned cause those are the Shrift's version of Cthulhu Mythos and every single religion which cannot scale to the original version simply because they do not appear in the original texts made by the original authors nor they appear in oral traditions of those beings.

also MGQ + Collab do have the required narrative stacks to make it 1-A to high 1-A, so your personal opinion on MGQ + Collab deserving 1-A to High 1-A ought to be rejected because we do not have the required narrative stacks, all those dimensions have to see eachother as fiction, Aphophatic Theology could be used as an argument for Low 1-A to 1-A in Father of Chaos's case but that can be done only when Part 3 is released.

i agree with your 2nd 4th and 5th paragraphs but 3rd ought to be partly dismissed since those dimensions are not shown to be like infinite layers of higher dimensions seeing the lesser ones as less than fiction nor those worlds are hinted to have the narrative stacks nor they fill any requirement to qualify for 1-A and Above, we only get at the least 1-B possibly Low 1-A in EX4 Shrift talks about involves MGQ + other collab verses related to MGQ, anything beyond that currently is hogwash.

that there's realms beyond the collab verse that collectively make Shrift, MGQ and The Three Charms look like a "speck. can be easily interpreted as option A either the sum of all Verses that are interacting with MGQ, or Option B an actual refference to the Omniverse/Actual Omniverse.

The Actual Omniverse is not Marvel Omniverse nor Dc Omniverse nor any other Omniverse instead it is every reality, including those published by all other companies. Even fan-fictions, cancelled works, mere fantasies, wishes of thoughts created by people, future comic book publishing companies and fictional universes yet to be published are considered part of the Omniverse; simply put, the Omniverse is every version of reality and existence imaginable and unimaginable. It is the set of all the infinite stories that have been told throughout infinitude, plus the real world itself.

There can be one and only one Omniverse in existence (all pieces of fiction that stemmed from it). No matter how many Omniverses an author creates in fiction, the universe conceptualized will only amount to a multiversal scale and above since nothing can be considered an Omniverse without every possible and impossible universe and multiverse that will or will not exist.

verses that are a part of the Omniverse

• Animeverse: The Multiverse of all existing anime, such as Dragon Ball, One Punch Man, Naruto, Devilman, Saint Seiya, or Bleach, among the other 10,681 anime released, and and all others that are releasing and will be released. This Multiverse also includes the Manga and Light Novels respectively.
• Gameverse: The Multiverse of all games, such as Minecraft, Terraria, Call of Duty, God of War, Devil May Cry, Kirby, Mario, Sonic, among the other 40,000 known already released games, along with all the unknown and yet to be released. This Multiverse also includes tabletop games like RPGs, although this one also has its own Multiverse.
• Comicverse: The Multiverse of all existing comics, that is, DC Comics, Marvel Comics, Image Comics, as well as Vertigo, ABC Comics, Helix Comics, Zuda Comics, Impact Comics, and Tangent Comics, among many others. Note that while the God of Gods and Demons has a DC equivalent called The Presence and Marvel One-Above-All, with Yesh even sharing names and titles, they are not the same entity manifesting through multiple avatars. The idea of an "Omni-Creator" is broken by something called Copyright, which is far more powerful than the Admins of Gods and Demons and any other author. Also, it doesn't matter that in Marvel or DC there are "Omniverses", they are still part of the Omniverse, as it is impossible for a fictional character to affect other fictions, let alone create all existing fictional worlds and the real world.
• Fanfictionverse: The Multiverse where fanfictions reside refers to stories created by fans of a particular work or fandom. While there are in fanfic things like characters "above omnipotence" or a world beyond the Omniverse, these terms and phrases are totally meaningless. Any universe created by any author will be, and always will be, just one universe and one cell of the Omniverse, no matter how "extra-fictional" it is, or how many other terms for something supposedly beyond the "Omniverse" is created, will continue to always as part of the Omniverse, just as 1 and 2 will always be part of infinity, no matter how many infinite decimal places are between 1 and 2. It is impossible for a fictional or metafictional character to create or destroy the Omniverse.
• The Real World: The Real World, the place where you and i + all other humans from our world live

all of those are a part of the Omniverse MGQ + Shrift + other Collab are also parts of the Actual Omniverse under the gameverse section, if we go by your logic then Father of Chaos Ought to be The Omni-Creator aka the Transfictional Concept of God which means that all supreme beings across are one and the same entity regardless if their names are Father of Chaos, Eru Iluvatar, YHWH, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Waaq Odin, Tori-Bot, Bathala, Para-Brahman, The Emperor Beyond The Sea, God from Unsong, The Monad from Gnosticism and all sorts of known and unknown supreme beings across all of fiction and religon, they are all the same being so according to this all humans in our world are worshipping the Father of Chaos without knowing it, if we pick up the option B which of course would only mean that Father of Chaos Luka would transcend the notion of Tiering System in the same manner the strongest tier 0 transcends the weakest tier 11.

so in conclusion the mention of there's realms beyond realms beyond the ones from Collab ought to be rejected unless it talks about all the verses that are involved in a collab with the story of MGQ cause it leads to the Omniverse thing which is ridiculous.

now let's return back to the good stuff aka the topic of scaling dimensional tiering and where MGQ would deserve to be placed,

Socrates you should read this article https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System_FAQ https://vsbattles.com/ if you want to know what means to to transcend dimensions, so busting infinite dimensional entities, or having some infinite dimensional weapons does not make you automatically High 1-B like it did in the past unless they see an infinite amount of lesser dimensions with a reality-fiction difference, not just in relation to Multiverse Space and Abyss, and remember the demon realms within the Shrift contain the local versions of all of the religion and mythology which do not scale to the actual mythology since Shrift is not a part of those cosmologies, at most those structures could be argued to be either low 1-C or 1-C or any other tier you can think of but 1-B and above does not suffice for them.

since Luka is the direct Manifestation of Father of Chaos the Companions ought to scale to this portion of Father of Chaos's power so they can reach in theory at most 1-A but what kind of layer is unkown, but this 1-A scaling can be possible is only because of the Apophatic Theology not any other reason.

here are several pages that talk about tiering system and dimensions https://vsbattles.com/threads/analyzing-the-tiering-system.63840/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/tieri...and-mathematics-revision.139319/#post-4920638 https://vsbattles.com/threads/some-...t-tiering-system-standards-1-a-and-up.135076/

all of those links will give good info far better than I could ever hope and they will explain well enough about how tiering system works here and is different and stranger than you and I would assume.

however statements about white rabbit can be almost as reliable as feats themselves if they are consistent with what happens in the plot.

First off, this site doesn't use the term omniverse, for good reason. It's a nonsense term/concept so I'm not going to bother responding to any of that. Also, countably infinite dimensions alone are enough for high 1-B provided there's context that shows qualitative superiority, and Shrift has more than enough context for that. That means even comparatively fodder characters like Lucifer are at least low 1-A since he has a reality/fiction difference with the demon realms.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

First off, this site doesn't use the term omniverse, for good reason. It's a nonsense term/concept so I'm not going to bother responding to any of that. Also, countably infinite dimensions alone are enough for high 1-B provided there's context that shows qualitative superiority, and Shrift has more than enough context for that. That means even comparatively fodder characters like Lucifer are at least low 1-A since he has a reality/fiction difference with the demon realms.

agreed the site doesn't use the term Omniverse anymore cause it's reduntant and nonsensical BS when it comes to scaling which is why i mentioned that is ridiculous to use that term as an argument, countably infinite dimensions like i said are not enough alone for high 1-B rating unless the Qualitative superiority portrays those Dimensions as being higher layers of existence that see the lesser ones as fiction, or have Narrative Stacks doing that thing instead of dimensions, so having reality/fiction difference with the demon realms is not enough unless all those demon realms have infinite layers of existence where the higher ones see the lower ones as fiction which is a requirement for qualitative Superiority to apply.

besides if you claim to have the proof of those demon realms being being infinite layers of existence that see the lesser ones as evidence can you show the proof/scan to me please on Reddit? it would be welcome Socrates or should i call you Laurcus.

 

[Laurcus]

agreed the site doesn't use the term Omniverse anymore cause it's reduntant and nonsensical BS when it comes to scaling which is why i mentioned that is ridiculous to use that term as an argument, countably infinite dimensions like i said are not enough alone for high 1-B rating unless the Qualitative superiority portrays those Dimensions as being higher layers of existence that see the lesser ones as fiction, or have Narrative Stacks doing that thing instead of dimensions, so having reality/fiction difference with the demon realms is not enough unless all those demon realms have infinite layers of existence where the higher ones see the lower ones as fiction which is a requirement for qualitative Superiority to apply.

besides if you claim to have the proof of those demon realms being being infinite layers of existence that see the lesser ones as evidence can you show the proof/scan to me please on Reddit? it would be welcome Socrates or should i call you Laurcus.

For starters I think you got me confused with someone else. Whatever.

Anyways, there's numerous examples in Shrift of higher realms having superiority over lower realms. Hecate for example operates on the same level as the Intervener, who sees Shrift as a video game. There's a fight in EX2 where Hecate takes over the Intervener's game and affects Kazuya's world through that. The difference between them specifically being their dimensionality.

That's more than enough proof that the infinite dimensions of the demon realm have qualitative superiority over the regular 3D universes. And thus something with a reality/fiction difference to that, such as Lucifer, is automatically at least low 1-A.

I gotta admit though I don't understand your point about the omniverse. I never brought up anything about any omniverse lol. You just kind of randomly went on a rant about it for no reason which doesn't really make any sense.

 

[Galaxi789]

Para empezar, creo que me confundiste con otra persona. Lo que sea.

De todos modos, hay numerosos ejemplos en Shrift de reinos superiores que tienen superioridad sobre los reinos inferiores. Hecate, por ejemplo, opera en el mismo nivel que Intervener, quien ve a Shrift como un videojuego. Hay una pelea en EX2 donde Hécate se hace cargo del juego del Interventor y afecta el mundo de Kazuya a través de eso. La diferencia entre ellos es específicamente su dimensionalidad.

Esa es una prueba más que suficiente de que las infinitas dimensiones del reino de los demonios tienen una superioridad cualitativa sobre los universos 3D normales. Y, por lo tanto, algo con una diferencia de realidad/ficción, como Lucifer, es automáticamente al menos 1-A bajo.

Debo admitir que no entiendo tu punto sobre el omniverso. Nunca mencioné nada sobre ningún omniverso jajaja. Simplemente despotricaste al azar al respecto sin ninguna razón, lo que realmente no tiene ningún sentido.

Do you know more verses to if powerful

 

[Megaraptor149]

Basically Shinza

 

[DivineAura44]

the strongest characters in Original Trilogy cannot be any less than 2-A, due to them scaling to the likes of OG trilogy Black Alice and Ilias who are stronger than weakened Early to mid game Ilias who could oneshot regular White Rabbit an entity who control over the Labyrinth of Chaos, which is an endless tower made out of infinite pockets of space-time created from previously erased universes, so 2-A top tiers in MGQ Original Trilogy, while in Paradox the companions deserve to be least 1-B possibly Low 1-A depending on what argument do you use for the companions in Paradox who more or less scale to the Apostles themselves and the Father of Chaos Luka which makes MGQ to be far more insane in power scaling than you and i would like to believe sir.

How you know so much?

 

[Marius_the_grey]

For starters I think you got me confused with someone else. Whatever.

Anyways, there's numerous examples in Shrift of higher realms having superiority over lower realms. Hecate for example operates on the same level as the Intervener, who sees Shrift as a video game. There's a fight in EX2 where Hecate takes over the Intervener's game and affects Kazuya's world through that. The difference between them specifically being their dimensionality.

That's more than enough proof that the infinite dimensions of the demon realm have qualitative superiority over the regular 3D universes. And thus something with a reality/fiction difference to that, such as Lucifer, is automatically at least low 1-A.

I gotta admit though I don't understand your point about the omniverse. I never brought up anything about any omniverse lol. You just kind of randomly went on a rant about it for no reason which doesn't really make any sense.

I called you Socrates as in Socrates was Smart because you speak like him your personalities match, and your knowledge about MGQ is far too big to be any coincidence you may think that i am doing a confirmation bias but that's not the case since what you read is already so similar they are borderline same if not the same in the way they are done and how they are read.

when I see people posting statements I can see to some extent personality patterns and since I am aware what you have been arguing on VS Battle.

I did not went about the Omniverse thing for just a specific rant it was here to point out how easily it those other dimensions realms beyond the Collab verse line can lead to ridiculous NLF statments.

let's go back to the good stuff.

qualitative superiority over the regular 3d by itself is not enough for the demon realms to qualify as that however if the Demon Realms are infinite stacks of infinite hierarchies/dimensions superseding one another and have like for example 4D seeing the 3D as fiction and 5D seeing 4D as fiction then repeat this cycle of higher hierarchy realms/dimensions/narrative stacks that see the lower ones as fiction infinitely so only then you can get the required qualitative superiority to reach to high 1-B Demon Realms, and thus a baseline Low 1-A or perhaps one layer above baseline Low 1-A for lucifer depending on interpretation which can can happen, remember going from Low 1-A to 1-A you do not go just transcend one layer two layers 3 layers or insert any number of layers above baseline Low 1-A and boom instant 1-A, because Low 1-A just like 1-A High 1-A and tier 0 it has layers upon Layers, for example a Low 1-A+ is infinite layers of Low 1-A above baseline Low 1-A the character on a bigger layer of Low 1-A transcends the character on lower Layer of Low 1-A in the same manner the previous Layer of Low 1-A transcends a 11-C being, also remember a Baseline Low 1-A transcends High 1-B, in the same manner High 1-B transcends tier 11-C.

So low 1-A is not the Minimum for Lucifer like you argue but rather a maximum.

The Hera of Shrift is way way more powerful than the Greek mythology counterpart and most gods mentioned in Shrift are way way more powerful than their mythological counterparts while the Ubbo Sathlas and other Lovecraftian top tier gods presented within Shrift are always inferior to their original counterparts,

in EX 2 i also find the line hyperdimensional Layers of Barriers which does not grant a tier in any way shape or form, the term hyperdimensional in general does not make one Low 1-A, 1-A, or anything like that, but i have not found the the evidence required for low 1-A arguments in Shrift Ex2 I will try on Ex4 since i am not just more familiar with it but evidence there is much stronger for Low 1-A lucifer.

Still I am quite circumspect in Lucifer's case and his case is way stronger than what we find in Hecate's case, what we find in EX 2 with the intervener mechanic is basically what we find in DDLC with the player fiddling with the game and it's mechanics but on ultra steroids in terms of how powerful and versatile the 4th Wall Breaking Mechanic is, and on top of it it is done on a way way bigger scale, the solid arguments for Low 1-A scaling ought to be found in EX4 Shrift not in any other part of Shrift because in EX 4 we can get the confirmation required for Lucifer to be Low 1-A i have watched most of the relevant lines Shrift Ex2 but there is no conclusive evidence to even give a tier to anything from EX 2.

If i am now cirucmspect of Low 1-A Lucifer then Hecate and others in EX2 are borderline to be dismissed from qualifying as Low 1-A, and Lucifer in Shrift is not a low ranking entity but a high ranking one in terms of hierarchy in Shrift.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

How you know so much?

it is my duty to do so since i am a MGQ Hobbyst and i enjoy researching about it whenever i have time.

 

[Laurcus]

I called you Socrates as in Socrates was Smart because you speak like him your personalities match, and your knowledge about MGQ is far too big to be any coincidence you may think that i am doing a confirmation bias but that's not the case since what you read is already so similar they are borderline same if not the same in the way they are done and how they are read.

when I see people posting statements I can see to some extent personality patterns and since I am aware what you have been arguing on VS Battle.

I did not went about the Omniverse thing for just a specific rant it was here to point out how easily it those other dimensions realms beyond the Collab verse line can lead to ridiculous NLF statments.

let's go back to the good stuff.

qualitative superiority over the regular 3d by itself is not enough for the demon realms to qualify as that however if the Demon Realms are infinite stacks of infinite hierarchies/dimensions superseding one another and have like for example 4D seeing the 3D as fiction and 5D seeing 4D as fiction then repeat this cycle of higher hierarchy realms/dimensions/narrative stacks that see the lower ones as fiction infinitely so only then you can get the required qualitative superiority to reach to high 1-B Demon Realms, and thus a baseline Low 1-A or perhaps one layer above baseline Low 1-A for lucifer depending on interpretation which can can happen, remember going from Low 1-A to 1-A you do not go just transcend one layer two layers 3 layers or insert any number of layers above baseline Low 1-A and boom instant 1-A, because Low 1-A just like 1-A High 1-A and tier 0 it has layers upon Layers, for example a Low 1-A+ is infinite layers of Low 1-A above baseline Low 1-A the character on a bigger layer of Low 1-A transcends the character on lower Layer of Low 1-A in the same manner the previous Layer of Low 1-A transcends a 11-C being, also remember a Baseline Low 1-A transcends High 1-B, in the same manner High 1-B transcends tier 11-C.

So low 1-A is not the Minimum for Lucifer like you argue but rather a maximum.

The Hera of Shrift is way way more powerful than the Greek mythology counterpart and most gods mentioned in Shrift are way way more powerful than their mythological counterparts while the Ubbo Sathlas and other Lovecraftian top tier gods presented within Shrift are always inferior to their original counterparts,

in EX 2 i also find the line hyperdimensional Layers of Barriers which does not grant a tier in any way shape or form, the term hyperdimensional in general does not make one Low 1-A, 1-A, or anything like that, but i have not found the the evidence required for low 1-A arguments in Shrift Ex2 I will try on Ex4 since i am not just more familiar with it but evidence there is much stronger for Low 1-A lucifer.

Still I am quite circumspect in Lucifer's case and his case is way stronger than what we find in Hecate's case, what we find in EX 2 with the intervener mechanic is basically what we find in DDLC with the player fiddling with the game and it's mechanics but on ultra steroids in terms of how powerful and versatile the 4th Wall Breaking Mechanic is, and on top of it it is done on a way way bigger scale, the solid arguments for Low 1-A scaling ought to be found in EX4 Shrift not in any other part of Shrift because in EX 4 we can get the confirmation required for Lucifer to be Low 1-A i have watched most of the relevant lines Shrift Ex2 but there is no conclusive evidence to even give a tier to anything from EX 2.

If i am now cirucmspect of Low 1-A Lucifer then Hecate and others in EX2 are borderline to be dismissed from qualifying as Low 1-A, and Lucifer in Shrift is not a low ranking entity but a high ranking one in terms of hierarchy in Shrift.

That's gonna be a big KEKW from me dog. I have to say that is one of the stranger things I've seen recently.

About the omniverse stuff though I'm having a really difficult time understanding what you're saying. I think you're saying that I was engaging in some kind of NLF by bringing up the unknown realms beyond the collab verse? I don't see how that tracks though. Am I just supposed to not talk about that or something? Seems strange to me.

I think you didn't get what I was saying about Hecate. I'm not saying Hecate is low 1-A. She could be as low as low 1-C in her base form. The point is that she's definitely higher than 3 dimensional and that's obviously the source of her power since when you encounter her in chapter 1 when she's visiting 3D space she's downscaled her dimension and she's not very powerful like that.

That's proof that spatial dimensions in Shrift have a reality/fiction difference, since human world Hecate is like a regular person and can be hurt by guns and then demon realm Hecate sees Kazuya as fictional and is like a god. The only difference there is the number of dimensions.

Since that establishes how dimensions work in Shrift, the fact that the demon realm itself is infinite dimensional means that the demon realm is high 1-B since we have enough context to prove that these dimensions do establish a tier.

Lucifer is outside of the demon realm and transcends it to the point that the multiverse space, (Which he warped with his will.) is like this massive supporting structure that contains the demon realms.

Needing context for tiers is just to prevent verses and characters from getting a rating based off a single statement that we can't really substantiate. There's enough examples of reality/fiction difference and enough statements of how the cosmology works that I don't personally see anything wrong with saying Hecate is low 1-C, possibly higher since we don't know exactly how many dimensions she is. The demon realm and the weapons they created as high 1-B and Lucifer is low 1-A.

And I called Lucifer fodder because there's so many characters that transcend him. Obviously he's a pretty strong boi. Oh and I agree about Ubbo Sathla. I had to Google that cause I didn't know she was an actual Lovecraft god. She's kind of weak when you run into her in Shrift so I pretty much agree about the Cthulhu stuff.

 

[Laurcus]

Do you know more verses to if powerful

Path of Exile might be a really strong verse when we get more context for the gods that exist beyond the Atlas of Worlds and I don't think PoE has any profiles yet.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Just pointing, no one in MGQ is 1-B yet (at least on this site)

There was a mention of 26 dimensions at the part 3 trailer, but at least for now there is no shown of them being infinitely superior to the previous one

As for the 1-A to High 1-A scaling, I've not played Shrift, so I'll not try to debate that. But scaling MGQ characters to Shrift characters because the crossover is crossover scaling, which is against this site rules

 

[Marius_the_grey]

That's gonna be a big KEKW from me dog. I have to say that is one of the stranger things I've seen recently.

About the omniverse stuff though I'm having a really difficult time understanding what you're saying. I think you're saying that I was engaging in some kind of NLF by bringing up the unknown realms beyond the collab verse? I don't see how that tracks though. Am I just supposed to not talk about that or something? Seems strange to me.

I think you didn't get what I was saying about Hecate. I'm not saying Hecate is low 1-A. She could be as low as low 1-C in her base form. The point is that she's definitely higher than 3 dimensional and that's obviously the source of her power since when you encounter her in chapter 1 when she's visiting 3D space she's downscaled her dimension and she's not very powerful like that.

That's proof that spatial dimensions in Shrift have a reality/fiction difference, since human world Hecate is like a regular person and can be hurt by guns and then demon realm Hecate sees Kazuya as fictional and is like a god. The only difference there is the number of dimensions.

Since that establishes how dimensions work in Shrift, the fact that the demon realm itself is infinite dimensional means that the demon realm is high 1-B since we have enough context to prove that these dimensions do establish a tier.

Lucifer is outside of the demon realm and transcends it to the point that the multiverse space, (Which he warped with his will.) is like this massive supporting structure that contains the demon realms.

Needing context for tiers is just to prevent verses and characters from getting a rating based off a single statement that we can't really substantiate. There's enough examples of reality/fiction difference and enough statements of how the cosmology works that I don't personally see anything wrong with saying Hecate is low 1-C, possibly higher since we don't know exactly how many dimensions she is. The demon realm and the weapons they created as high 1-B and Lucifer is low 1-A.

And I called Lucifer fodder because there's so many characters that transcend him. Obviously he's a pretty strong boi. Oh and I agree about Ubbo Sathla. I had to Google that cause I didn't know she was an actual Lovecraft god. She's kind of weak when you run into her in Shrift so I pretty much agree about the Cthulhu stuff.

i got what you said so Hecate could actually1-C which is where i would put her, since i have saw ex2 the mention about how dimensions work, could be in ex4 not ex2 since i watched that and i saw everything relevant like i said but there was 0 evidence whatsoever if i it was mentioned in EX2 it would have appeared, i tried to find something in EX1 to confirm what you said but nothing so far so i will try in EX 3 and EX4 in which case the latter has the good stuff that i aim for.

she is indeed higher than a hierarchy equivalent to 4-D but for those demon realms must to be high 1-B at all,

besides in the Original Canon Ubbo Sathla has no gender whatsoever while in Shrift it's a female.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

Just pointing, no one in MGQ is 1-B yet (at least on this site)

There was a mention of 26 dimensions at the part 3 trailer, but at least for now there is no shown of them being infinitely superior to the previous one

As for the 1-A to High 1-A scaling, I've not played Shrift, so I'll not try to debate that. But scaling MGQ characters to Shrift characters because the crossover is crossover scaling, which is against this site rules

This Crossover is perfectly Canon to both franchises unlike your average crossover, remember they are a part of the same wider cosmology, of course we will not put them on this site since those are hentai verses and those are explicitly not allowed here.

i am familiar enough with shrift + MGQ Canon crossover to confirm basically at least baseline Low 1-A scaling starting from EX4 every single franchise that crosses with MGQ has a Canon Crossover with it.

what i say is here based on my knowledge i have gathered about respective franchises.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Crossovers here is what the article has to say the crossovers are allowed if they fill a specific criteria so it's not necessarily against the rules but caution is required.

 

[Laurcus]

Just pointing, no one in MGQ is 1-B yet (at least on this site)

There was a mention of 26 dimensions at the part 3 trailer, but at least for now there is no shown of them being infinitely superior to the previous one

As for the 1-A to High 1-A scaling, I've not played Shrift, so I'll not try to debate that. But scaling MGQ characters to Shrift characters because the crossover is crossover scaling, which is against this site rules

So the Shrift/MGQ crossover is not a typical crossover like the 1996 DC vs Marvel or Marvel vs Capcom. It's not only canon to both verses it's actually essential to the main story.

The best analogy I could come up with is it would be like if Thor went to DC and joined the Justice League for like 5 years real time. And during that time he's not in Marvel Comics anymore because he's in DC. And then after the next Crisis he goes back to Marvel and then afterwards there's a new run of Thor comics where Thor going to DC is mentioned many times. It's nothing like a typical crossover like Jump Force.

 

[Laurcus]

i got what you said so Hecate could actually1-C which is where i would put her, since i have saw ex2 the mention about how dimensions work, could be in ex4 not ex2 since i watched that and i saw everything relevant like i said but there was 0 evidence whatsoever if i it was mentioned in EX2 it would have appeared, i tried to find something in EX1 to confirm what you said but nothing so far so i will try in EX 3 and EX4 in which case the latter has the good stuff that i aim for.

she is indeed higher than a hierarchy equivalent to 4-D but for those demon realms must to be high 1-B at all,

besides in the Original Canon Ubbo Sathla has no gender whatsoever while in Shrift it's a female.

I feel like we're going in circles here so I'm gonna bow out bro. Good chat.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

I feel like we're going in circles here so I'm gonna bow out bro. Good chat.

besides the best analogy for MGQ + Shrift would be if the universes of Naruto and One piece merged into one and had mutual plot and adventures and share a lot common storylines and events important to the combined franchise which is something the JustANormalPerson did not realize.

see ya soon Socrates i mean Laurcus, perhaps in the future we may talk about another topic on another time like a quarter pound.

 

[Laurcus]

see ya soon Socrates i mean Laurcus, perhaps in the future we may talk about another topic on another time.

I don't know why you think I'm this Socrates guy KEKW. I'm definitely not.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

This Crossover is perfectly Canon to both franchises unlike your average crossover, remember they are a part of the same wider cosmology, of course we will not put them on this site since those are hentai verses and those are explicitly not allowed here.

I'm not talking that it's not Canon. Even if it is Canon, it's still crossover scaling

i am familiar enough with shrift + MGQ Canon crossover to confirm basically at least baseline Low 1-A scaling starting from EX4 every single franchise that crosses with MGQ has a Canon Crossover with it.

what i say is here based on my knowledge i have gathered about respective franchises.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Crossovers here is what the article has to say the crossovers are allowed if they fill a specific criteria so it's not necessarily against the rules but caution is required.

Going by the same page:

Take note that crossovers will almost always rescale the power levels of the different characters for the sake of writing a more entertaining story. This can happen in both in-canon crossovers such as Dissidia Final Fantasy, in which tier 6 and tier 2 characters fought on equal grounds, and in non-canon versions, such as between Luffy, Goku and Toriko. As such the character appearing in the crossover should only be considered to be as powerful as the original if that isn't beyond the degree of power reasonable for the events in the story or other participants in the crossover

Also, it is a one-sided crossover, so the MGQ characters won't scale to Shrift. Since the crossover is Canon to MGQ, yet not to Shrift (characters of Shrift didn't come back to their own verse, for example, so the MGQ crossover which took place on Shrift couldn't take place. And, if you consideer such crossover taking place before MGQ one, then it's again inconsistent since Shrift characters didn't know nothing about MGQ ones), otherwise it'll make that shrift characters are an alternate version of the Canon ones, which also denies the scaling since again, according to the crossover page:

If a character in a crossover does not share the same history as the original, for example due to being an alternative universe version, it should not automatically be considered to possess the same degree of power

Edit: anyway, I'll end this discussion here since I don't want to delair more the post

 

[Marius_the_grey]

I'm not talking that it's not Canon. Even if it is Canon, it's still crossover scaling

Going by the same page:

Also, it is a one-sided crossover, so the MGQ characters won't scale to Shrift. Since the crossover is Canon to MGQ, yet not to Shrift, otherwise it'll make that shrift characters are an alternate version of the Canon ones, which also denies the scaling since again, according to the crossover page:

it's not a one sided crossover is a mutual one because the story and the lore of both franchises intertwine and are in a way merged, because of Shrift we see Luka and Alice in Shrift and we see Kazuya and his companions in MGQ and all of those are canon to one another, and they are the same as in the game, the Daji in MGQ is the same as in Shrift, all the characters here are the same as in the original games from where they come from, so here i gotta agree with Laurcus on the connection between MGQ and Shrift, due to this canon Crossover MGQ and Shrift + other verses in the Collab belong to the exactly same wider Cosmology due to the events and plot points that intertwine, which like i said is vastly different from any other crossover we have encountered on VSBW, so in conclusion the Luka and Alice we see in the Shrift and the white rabbit here is the one and the same that we find in MGQ main story.

I don't know why you think I'm this Socrates guy KEKW. I'm definitely not.

you know if you look like a cat, meow like a cat, think like a cat, taste like a cat, do things like a cat, and see things like a cat then you are a cat, this cat analogy applies to you Laurcus KEKW.

the reason for why i think that you are SocratesWasSmart is because of the way you talk, the way you see things, and the way you think about things, .

 

[Laurcus]

I'm not talking that it's not Canon. Even if it is Canon, it's still crossover scaling

Going by the same page:

Also, it is a one-sided crossover, so the MGQ characters won't scale to Shrift. Since the crossover is Canon to MGQ, yet not to Shrift (characters of Shrift didn't come back to their own verse, for example, so the MGQ crossover which took place on Shrift couldn't take place. And, if you consideer such crossover taking place before MGQ one, then it's again inconsistent since Shrift characters didn't know nothing about MGQ ones), otherwise it'll make that shrift characters are an alternate version of the Canon ones, which also denies the scaling since again, according to the crossover page:


Edit: anyway, I'll end this discussion here since I don't want to delair more the post

So your criticisms are actually addressed in the Shrift crossover. The Luka and Alice that go to Shrift and the Kazuya that go to MGQ are perfect copies of the original made by various god-like entities. You remember how Daji impersonated the White Rabbit? Daji is now using those White Rabbit powers to be omnipresent. So while Daji is in the pocket castle in MGQ she's also in Shrift impersonating the White Rabbit. So Daji used the White Rabbit powers to summon Luka and Alice. The Kazuya in MGQ is actually a clone. In Shrift there's this character called Cheshire and she's like the White Rabbit and she's made multiple bodies for Kazuya. They're all the real Kazuya, but they can act independently. In Shrift there's a point where you're playing as Kazuya doing stuff while his original body is asleep upstairs. It was one of these other autonomous bodies that was pulled into MGQ. And at the end of EX4 Lucifer erases Luka's memories before sending him and Alice back to MGQ. He doesn't erase Alice's memories because she's not a blabbermouth lol.

And most importantly the Apostles go to Shrift using their own power and when they're done they go back to MGQ.

 

[Laurcus]

it's not a one sided crossover is a mutual one because the story and the lore of both franchises intertwine and are in a way merged, because of Shrift we see Luka and Alice in Shrift and we see Kazuya and his companions in MGQ and all of those are canon to one another, and they are the same as in the game, the Daji in MGQ is the same as in Shrift, all the characters here are the same as in the original games from where they come from, so here i gotta agree with Laurcus on the connection between MGQ and Shrift, due to this canon Crossover MGQ and Shrift + other verses in the Collab belong to the exactly same wider Cosmology due to the events and plot points that intertwine, which like i said is vastly different from any other crossover we have encountered on VSBW, so in conclusion the Luka and Alice we see in the Shrift and the white rabbit here is the one and the same that we find in MGQ main story.

you know if you look like a cat, meow like a cat, think like a cat, taste like a cat, do things like a cat, and see things like a cat then you are a cat, this cat analogy applies to you Laurcus KEKW.

the reason for why i think that you are SocratesWasSmart is because of the way you talk, the way you see things, and the way you think about things, .

I just find it really weird that you think I'm this other guy.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

I just find it really weird that you think I'm this other guy.

being a weirdo is my specialty of course and I embrace it strongly, whenever I look at yours and his arguments I find either similar conclusions or the same thing, the way you talk and the personality you have tell me that you have came from reddit in disguise, also you do not seem to be Corgi on disguise either, only Socrates is one of the Redditors I know and he has has very extensive Knowledge about MGQ is a rather no-nonsense person and is an rather avid VS Battle wiki user traits that I strongly find in you which is why I tend to assume that you are him in disguise.

if a man sees patterns in things it only means 3 things he is either A an madman B an smartass or C both depending on how he sees them and i think that i straddle somewhere between A or C and I am proud of it anyway.

 

[Laurcus]

being a weirdo is my specialty of course and I embrace it strongly, whenever I look at yours and his arguments I find either similar conclusions or the same thing, the way you talk and the personality you have tell me that you have came from reddit in disguise, also you do not seem to be Corgi on disguise either, only Socrates is one of the Redditors I know and he has has very extensive Knowledge about MGQ is a rather no-nonsense person and is an rather avid VS Battle wiki user traits that I strongly find in you which is why I tend to assume that you are him in disguise.

if a man sees patterns in things it only means 3 things he is either A an madman B an smartass or C both depending on how he sees them and i think that i straddle somewhere between A or C and I am proud of it anyway.

I don't know who either of those people are lol.

 

[Marius_the_grey]

I have talked for that guy for months and i found the same no nonsense attitude that i find in you, his knowledge about MGQ is very high and uses a lot of vs battle wiki on top of it he also laughs from time to time, even the questions you ask on vs battle wiki signs that tell me me that you are either him or Corgi or related to any of those 2, the more i talk to you the more i find either lots of similarities to Socrates or even i find himself in you.

those 2 guys i talk about are redditors of course.

 

[sanicspood]

jump force goku

kidding

 

[Faisal]

Kim dokja low1C
Omniscient multiverse Just a daydream From little Kimdokja

 

[DivineAura44]

jump force goku

kidding

Not kidding JFG is Tier 0.

 

[Iiliminal]

lowball he’s above tiering

 

[Deceived3596]

Pandora Hearts - Low 1-C

Specifically Alice and Oz.