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The White Room's Masterpiece vs The Greatest Boxer of All Time (2-12-0) *GRACE*
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I know Yu has a good amount ("good" isn't an enough of a word and I know it as well) of perception, but does his body keep up with it? Consider Yu having a very high amount of perception and see a punch which is like high hypersonic (much above his current perception speed), but let's believe he still sees it as in like sloth moves, so, would he be able to dodge that punch which just subsonic speed? What I mean is that does Yu happen to be increasing his own speed up to what is needed to dodge stuff in order to be safe? Sorry if I am not too clear with my words, uff, but this can actually make this from a maybe intended fair fight to a hax stomp.
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Oh, nah mine isn't a vote. I ain't voting for a skill matchup like this.
Though going by stats, Koji has a good advantage. Going by hax, Yu has a good advantage. None of them really have a clear cut wincon imo, which is why i'm leaning towards incon at most here.
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Yu has almost sub+ perception
And the way it works (As Zefra explained to me in disc), Is that Yu sees everything in slow motion including himself
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So dodging stuff should still require him reaction speed, i believe. Him seeing himself in slow mo too already shows how his perceptions are above his reactions and combat.
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Yeah, he was shown to being able to react to his Monster Stance which scales a blitz gap (a huge one) above his normal punching speed.
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Yeah but he dodges punches with the minimal required motion which helps a lot when there is a difference in speed and was even able to keep up with attacks he couldn't dodge.
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Koji should be able to move almost normally to Yu given his speed scaling chain
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that's a bit random, K who is peak human at most could see bullets as frozen in time. The gap between their speed and their perception is huge. And Yu is in an higher "layer" compared to K.
EDIT: but by profile his perception is 0,006 s tho, imo, it doesn't reflect the correct value but it's just a lowball.
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Ok. Vote removed.
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Well, it all depends on how much Yu moved.
How far was the person who performed Monster Stance, and how much Yu moved in response?
Like the person could be about 10 meters away and Yu needing to move only about half a meter or something in response.
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Yu doesn't have monster stance here
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I know, I didn't say he did, either.
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My point was about Perception speed, in the feat Yu could process his own Monster Stance speed + jean's punching speed since they were colliding. I mean that his slow motion is vastly above his normal speed.
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That doesn't look like very close and too much movement from Yu's side being needed here. So yes, I would say that I was kind of correct in that regard.
Alright, my basic question is that since I never scaled The Boxer (like I have read it, but it was purely for entertainment and I am not a regular visitor either, I completed it in the time it was originally finished), does Yu accelerate himself beyond his own speed and increase it just for the sake of dodging?
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He has some small accelerations but nothing huge, The only time he actually increases his speed by a huge amount is when he uses Monster Stance. I mean, he just accelerates when he needs to I guess? it's not really explained iirc.
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Alright, thanks for the information.
Coming to the debate, what stops both the fighters from evading all of each other's moves and just turning this into a stamina match? Doesn't Kiyotaka stomp in that regard?
Seeing Kiyotaka's ability, he would deduce Yu's extraordinary perception ability in their confrontation through Information Analysis. He analyzed Nanase and deduced that she had a much higher dynamic visual acuity than a normal person in their confrontation upon her reactions to his attacks.
Then, using his much higher battle intelligence, he can use his formulation speed to find a way of targeting Yu by employing different battle strategies, like attacking a blind spot continuously and causing Yu mental stress, or by using the feint of throwing a punch and attacking with his leg at the same time. That's just a few of the things I can think of. Kiyotaka is much more experienced and shows higher adapting in difficult situations. And seeing the demeanor of both the fighters, they are both emotionless and absolute chads, so the mental stress would matter as well.
One more thing is that Kiyotaka is not just "more skilled" than Yu here, he kind of stomps skill-wise. He has the skills above that of professional level in just not one thing, but a ton of them, at the age of just 9, more than those people who are like 40-50 year olds, while Yu is still an extraordinary boxer, but Gen 4 curriculum is narratively implied to develop skills beyond the human limit, meaning that Kiyotaka possesses not only skills of a peak human or anything of that sort, but he kind of just goes above what is attainable by any person.
These are just other things, but I would say that the stamina point still stands, which I don't think has largely been answered till this point.
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Eh... the problem is that Yu would see every minimal movement Ayano will make, Yu was already able to avoid blind spots attacks by reading the opponent shadow and, unlike the other boxers, he reads your feet/legs as well.
The only time Yu was stressed was when he was facing Aaron cause each punch = death for Yu and Aaron's punches kept increasing in momentum becoming faster each time.
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I am not saying that Kiyotaka will attack them only once. I mean that Kiyotaka can use a feint and use his arm, calculate the amount of distance it would take for him to keep his arm above, and use it as a feint to attack his feet instead. This is like an easy strategy to think, I can easily imagine Kiyotaka trying to execute this, considering the amount of feint attacks he has experienced, or people around him use. And all of this repeatedly.
Yu isn't like Kiyotaka who would sense things in the 3D space around him or fight with a blindfold, he still needs to focus on parts near or the stances, something which Kiyotaka can easily take advantage of, after having found his abilities.
Also, may be useful that Kiyotaka's power and attacks aren't based on muscle power either, he transcends the concept of weight, and due to that, while his muscle mass and raw strength equals Housen or is probably even lower, the power he can apply is somehow equal to that of Koueji's LS, and stomped Housen in LS while having a knife pierced through his hand and was not even trying to hurt Housen fully. The source of his power at full potential is something supernatural. This may help to say that twitching of muscles by Kiyotaka (which Yu uses to predict attacks) may not be applicable in this case, since Kiyotaka's power range and his applications of attacks differs from his body physiology by a lot. Other things like heartrate, blood-flow and routines are much likely not applicable, unless Yu is given enough time and prior knowledge.
I am talking about mentally exhausting Yu and stressing him out, rather than causing it via fear, or because your every punch is equal to death.
This is also the fight of an average human stamina user vs superhuman stamina user, and Kiyotaka is much superior to even another character with superhuman stamina in the series, who, in turn is superior to another character with superhuman stamina. Kiyotaka can last for days with scarcity of food, water and sleep, do a fight where he had no way of attacking his opponent but only outlast them in a battle of stamina, and dodge all of their attacks (his opponent still had at least athletic stamina and was a fairly well-performing athlete) and tire them out, and not even do a single attack.
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If grace period is 24 hrs (idk how long it is) then there's still 6 hrs left.
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No way Americans call the most widespread used time format "Military time" 
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Real man know how to thresh weat, form pike formations and serve god and king
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Also they still eat meat fresh off the carcass
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