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3700+ Y/o Scientist vs The Perfect Human (1-7-0) *GRACE*
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Nothing...?
Though the chances of Senku succeding with the planes is kinda lower than with medusa for the following reasons:
- Ayanokoji is capable of predicting the trajectory of the plains with his ANPR.
- Fast enough to get away from the plane before it collides with something and explodes.
Also, to throw the plane at Koji, senku would have to be within 10-20 meters of Koji. At that range Ayanokoji can just speed blitz senku and kill him before Senku can even aim at Koji.
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Then what about shooting Kiyotaka with his Primitive Revolver?
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At close range, Speed and ANPR again.
Though the gun has a much longer range so if Senku uses it well he could blow Koji's brains out.
Edit: Spotting Koji with his stealth mastery and getting the jump on him with his enhansed sense would be tough though. Also, iirc Senku's aim kinda sucks, that's why the gun was given to the sheriff dude.
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How likely is it for Senku to use his Primitive Revolver over his Medusa? He doesn't have Prior Knowledge, and the main argument for Senku implies he starts with Medusa.
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Senku doesn't kill and medusa is his most non-leathel option so he's more likely to start with that than the gun.
In character senku would go for incap if he can avoid killing koji. Though in this fight they're willing to kill so idk.
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Most likely, yeah.
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Kiyotaka has better observations; he observes his entire view with utmost precision. Like once, he remembered the name of a clerk from the badge which just happened to enter his field of view for once (here). So, Senku needs to focus on his surroundings for looking at Kiyotaka and notice him (kind of impossible due to stealth mastery), but Kiyotaka can have Senku enter his field of view for once and get his goal fixated. Medusa is also a very bad way to win this (not a way to win this, to say.
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Also, no, not the case. Kiyotaka stomps if it is in intelligence, it isn't close to be in the range of "possibly". Kiyotaka actively has a statement of having even higher knowledge than Senku (Senku only has on-screen feats and peak-scientist level of intelligence based on being compared to Dr. Zeno, Kiyotaka actively has statements of having his knowledge classified as "immeasurable", or to say, "more than what can be learnt in a lifetime", at the age of just 14 or 15), then think about how much of a stomp this becomes if we count both general and crystallized intelligence.
This is fax.
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What are Senku's wincons again?
Since we are so hell bent on assuming Koji will mindlessly run and swim from a blast that covers the whole island... And Koji is supperior in every way even in intelligence as the glaz- I mean facts point out... What are Senku's wincons?
Since we are so hell bent on assuming Koji will mindlessly run and swim from a blast that covers the whole island... And Koji is supperior in every way even in intelligence as the glaz- I mean facts point out... What are Senku's wincons?
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Medusa, Nitro stuff and Gun i think
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Did you even read the thread before replying? Read it and tell me if Senku has any wincons
Anyways, Im voting Senku via Medusa. Senku is not going to confront the unknown, so he will immediately implore medusa during prep time. Set the range to a few kilometers and set the time needed to escape on a raft or something.
Koji simply just doesn't know about Medusa to counter it.
Medusa flashes a green light at a variable speed. Based on all what has been said and what is on his profile, Koji's first instinct in a dense forest in an island will be to hide behind something because the beam will be too close to him before he realizes that it can pass through obstacles.
There is nothing on his profile nor here that would make Koji want to run from a mere green light instead of hide. (Are there even light attacks in his verse at all much less one of medusa's scale?) Especially when he doesn't have the time nor reference to make an accurate calculation of the beams speed from the time he notices it. Unless there is a scan where he made a calculation of similar nature on the spot without any reference.
Anyways, Im voting Senku via Medusa. Senku is not going to confront the unknown, so he will immediately implore medusa during prep time. Set the range to a few kilometers and set the time needed to escape on a raft or something.
Koji simply just doesn't know about Medusa to counter it.
Medusa flashes a green light at a variable speed. Based on all what has been said and what is on his profile, Koji's first instinct in a dense forest in an island will be to hide behind something because the beam will be too close to him before he realizes that it can pass through obstacles.
There is nothing on his profile nor here that would make Koji want to run from a mere green light instead of hide. (Are there even light attacks in his verse at all much less one of medusa's scale?) Especially when he doesn't have the time nor reference to make an accurate calculation of the beams speed from the time he notices it. Unless there is a scan where he made a calculation of similar nature on the spot without any reference.
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Bro, I just simply answered your question :/
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It was a rhetorical question anyway.
How was that an answer if Senku can't do anything with those supposed wincons? He sucks at aiming a gun against anyone much less than an Analytical Prediction user, and people have been arguing that medusa isn't a wincon. Although I disagree with those arguments.
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Hm
To be fair, Koji has stated that he thinks of all possibilities in fights and outside of them
For example, He did not discard a possibility of Tsukishiro having more members with him iirc, Tsukishiro and Shiba hiding their power and other stuff
Koji will know smth is up after seeing a green light coming from a deserted island, I know i would, It's unhabited Island for a reason, Why would a unhabited island activate randomly a green light out of nowhere if not his opponent?
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Obviously something is up.
I am talking about Koji not knowing how to properly react to the situation and in a dense forest he wuld notice the light when its very close to him. Since the light becomes visible after passing through obstacles.
Run? Where?
Hide? Where?
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Looking at Delta's screenshots, I don't see why he wouldn't notice the light, It would enter his field of vision
And like i said and what Reggor said, He doesn't take chances, He will be extremely cautious to an opponent he doesn't know anything such as Tsukishiro and Shiba
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When did delta send screenshots of the light in a dense island forest? And you have not answered my question on what Koji would do regardless.
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He would still see it, It would eventually be in his field of vision, He has subsonic perception speed you know, And can also do some quick thinking
What Delta said ig?
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Hmm, I guess the knife feat works?
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Ayanokouji deduces instantly that Housen used his knife on the spot because the knife he used was the one that Koji bought and there was only 1 variant of that knife available at the time
All while deducing that it was Ichika's strategy to expel Koji using Housen
Reggor can correct me if i am wrong as i am bad at explaining
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Hmm, I guess the knife feat works?
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Ayanokouji deduces instantly that Housen used his knife on the spot because the knife he used was the one that Koji bought and there was only 1 variant of that knife available at the time
All while deducing that it was Ichika's strategy to expel Koji using Housen
Reggor can correct me if i am wrong as i am bad at explaining
Ill wait for him because these are not mental mathematical calculations they are intuition based on his perfect memory (which are his references) and logical reasoning.
Even if he instinctively ran, how far will he go?
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For as long as the light keeps following him i guess?
If it follows even when they are in the ocean, Then i guess that's a big rip for Senku since he has far less stamina then Koji and Senku cannot outswim the light while Koji can i think?
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I truly don't think you are reading my posts.
Any scans of Koji running and swimming a couple kilometers?
What even is Koji's travel speed? The OP only mentioned reaction/combat speed.
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He is 72 m/s in everything, I believe i have told the OP about that somewhere
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Koenji swam from an island to a ship for fun. Ayanokoji should scale to this.
Also, swimming was was a part of WR curriculum.
9 y/o Koji's swimming calsses looked something like this:
50 min swimming -> 10 min break -> 50 min swimming -> 10 min break -> 30 min competitive swimming -> 30 minute break.
So it's safe to say he has a decent amount of skill and experience in swimming.
His travel speed is at least 62.5 m/s more likely 72.5++ m/s since he can effortlessly blitz Hosen.
And his swimming speed would be at least 2.25 m/s since he scales to Koenji. It should be noated that Koenji performed this feat casually.
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These are still reaction speeds. Except the swimming cuz… it’s swimming not reacting to something.
~~Also it’s really unsettling the way we attribute feats done by others inferior to him in strength simply because of that fact, maybe I’m wrong, maybe Koji is somehow the pinnacle of characters in the verse.~~
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In the first feat he covered 5 m in 0.08 seconds. Is that not travel speed?
Koji is the pinnacle of characters in the verse lol.
How else do you think he got so many glazers?
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I actually did send reply about having to send a feat of his probability analysis fighting instincts, either way, I will just send it anyway.
-> In Year 2 Volume 4, he consciously looked out for a probability of the boat driver being another ally of Tsukishiro. He also went according to the probability of Tsukishiro and Shiba deliberately hiding their abilities upon him knowing about them knowing about the slightest of his own data. (Since I can't send scans for this as it would just be sending almost an entire fight due to them having an entire talk-no-jutsu about it, you can read the Chapter 7: A Man named Tsukishiro, part 7.4)
-> In Year 2 Volume 1, he consciously tried to be certain of why Housen was using the knife which he himself bought, going with the probability of Housen having an ill-intent, and drew the conclusion of him being tied with Ichika Amasawa who originally stole the knife, and used this information to analytically predict that Housen was aiming for himself (here).
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He dove in to save someone at that speed did he not? I mean it’s what is stated in the scan and it’s probably why glaze masters say if Senku is within 5m then he gets blitzed.
It’s a reaction/combat speed blitz.
Okay then lol. I’ll start watching this anime soon.
I’ve seen these already, in the original message I acknowledged the scans here and on their page. They’re intuition based on his perfect memory of everyone. Unless this is somehow an supernatural ability. This won’t help Koji know that he can outrun the blast, nor will it help him know the blast is dangerous. You’d need to make up some bs excuse that he has instinctive reactions that saves him from any unknown event.
This intuition is not effective on abilities he has never seen before like Medusa. For some reason all of us somehow believe that a mere green light would make us run away, I truly don’t believe that, we are just saying that because we know Medusa is dangerous. The people who did not run away in the series are not less intelligent than us. They just see a simple green light with no funny visual effects that watchers can see and doesn’t exist in the manga anyways.
Koji will only see a green light. Anyone regardless of intelligence wouldn’t believe light would harm them. Even if he starts running for some reason. He would be forced to go swimming because the light would’ve covered the entire area of land and knowing Senku he would make sure the sea is covered just in case. There’s also a possibility Koji will instinctively take cover, cuz yknow… light can’t pass through objects. This light can.
If you surpass your limits and glaze koji even more to get out of this (even with ++2m/s swimming) somehow in some way shape or form. To the point that Koji will be asking himself why I did allat. Then Senku will return to the island and wait for Koji where he would be easily detectable (like a beach by the water; koji has no feats of stealth swimming). Koji will confront Senku, but even if you further glaze by strip away his confidence to blitz and one shot Senku he will still have no room to hide anymore so he has no choice but to confront Senku. Senku upon seeing Koji will immediately infer that he’s superhuman with the only feasible possiblity being he outran the beam.
Now the beach will be littered with nitroglycerin land mines within Senku’s range so he can manually detonate them by throwing something at them or maybe he would build a simple contraption buried in the sand to manually detonate the mines. With a megaphone senku will activate Medusa behind Koji (Senku never retrieves it from where he left it in the earlier onslaught cuz he has a megaphone), If Koji starts running anywhere in the opposite direction there will be land mines and they’ll detonate as soon as he’s range. This will daze Koji or maybe kill him idk, but what I do know is that glazing via lying won’t be tolerated. Once Koji notices the mines he’d try to avoid them but Senku will detonate them before he makes a move to daze Koji. Koji will be pinned with bombs on one side and the light he has no idea what it does on the other.
I don’t think Koji is getting out of this one way or the other.
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I’m joking…
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Just if you happen to be interested in the verse, the anime is times worse than the light novel. The anime is enjoyable however, but most of the stuff which is written in the light novel is skipped in it.
So, to say, Kiyotaka has a perfect memory, yes. And it is also supernatural. He behaves like a robot, he doesn't forget things, and can even process huge amount of memories in a very short time.
A green light is not something natural. The series portrayed humans seeing the rays and most not running out of its way, but again, most of them were fascinated or were confused that what some random green rays was doing in the sky, so it is fairly obvious that would be the case with Kiyotaka as well. Most humans couldn't escape the petrification process because it happened to be very fast (I remember it being much faster than even planes).
Now, the Battle Assumption is "Both are in character, but willing to kill." This is to describe the mindset of a character, but this also goes to show the overall thinking of them. Like those humans in the series clearly had no idea about them being even in a slight amount of danger. While in here, both the characters are at least known to the fact that they are in danger, so seeing anything weird would trigger the survival instincts of quite literally anyone. Also, petrification waves cannot be overshadowed, they pass through objects, which further would make it seem weirder, as it doesn't have properties of how ordinary light behaves. This, combined with what I said above, is enough for most people to at least make some moves to escape the beam of light, but of course, the sense of not knowing what scenario you are in can lead to stupid curiosities (though I would argue for Kiyotaka doing it in even normal scenarios, but I would prefer not to, because this suffices). Kiyotaka knows he's in a battle, and noticing something that supernatural would basically trigger his survival instincts.
Also, I would say that the petrification beams are much more depicted as a unique aura and not just beams of light, even in many exaggerated and more effort scenes of manga, because manga do happen to be somehow different from anime, but again, that couldn't matter more.
Either way, let's assume that Kiyotaka is basically very dumb, like dumb to the point of touching the rays on will. So still, the concept of petrification waves is that it petrifies only those parts of body which it comes in contact with. I would want to go open the anime or manga and find a live example, but my laziness asked me to choose the same clip which Delta shared. In the clip, we can see that Amaryllis is able to make movements even after having a part of her body petrified. So, let's assume that Kiyotaka does this out of curiosity and touched the beam, and ends up getting his arms petrified (lol, I can actually see this getting in favour of him as he would have rock hard hands with increased durability over his own for this). Now, as soon as he notices that his hand had become unresponsive, he tries to escape the rays. And I give rise to, THE YAP.
So, let's assume the island is the same as the one depicted for the general speed of the beam, i.e. 2000 m.
The characters are put at a 500 m distance apart from each other.
If we put that into perspective and assume the rays to be starting from the point where Senku spawned, then it would be 250 m away from the center, and 500 m from Kiyotaka's starting point. Now, Kiyotaka notices the rays when they have noticeably reached the sky, let's say about 100 m, for which, it would take 10 seconds at its 10 m/s speed for the 2000 m range.
Now, Kiyotaka approached the beam at his pace, which would make him reach a distance of 500-100 = 400 m (assuming Kiyotaka doesn't move a bit towards Senku), the time for this would be calculated from [(400-x)/72] = (x/10), from which we get x = 48.7804878 m, and we get the time as 4.87804878 seconds, to which, he can react much faster so I don't think I need to calculate the time for that.
Now, Kiyotaka has to move about {(400-48.7804878)+[(2000-500)/2]} = 1101.21951 m, but let's round it up to 1200 m (about 100 more meters for all the things and increases in distance which may have not been accounted for), so he has to move like 1200 m, for which, he would take 16.6666667 seconds, and the light? It takes like 110 seconds, so, Kiyotaka is like having about 93.3333333 seconds in his bag.
Now, he would be jumping into the see, which would make him have to swim a distance which can be calculated by y/2 = (93.3333333+y)/10 which gives like 23.3333333 m of distance till the light reaches him and petrifies him fully. Now, we cannot assume that Senku would be aware of the fact that he would have to set the range to be around 23.3333333 m more than the diameter of the island, which is still like one long building worth of distance. Being aware of how Senku works, he would most likely account of the distance, which is till the island diameter, but not for the more distance, considering how that would legit make a contest of stamina for him as well due to not having enough abilities
And let's not forget that Kiyotaka doesn't even scale to this speed, he's like much, much faster than it, he had legit blitzed the characters with the speed which I used to calculate this stuff for. Also, Senku also would have needed survival instincts to be aware of the fact that he is not some person with an insane amount of stamina, he's literally average in stamina, and even slightly below average via narratives.
So, in conclusion, there's not many outcomes for Senku's plan's success until he really pulls off a fluke.
The characters are put at a 500 m distance apart from each other.
If we put that into perspective and assume the rays to be starting from the point where Senku spawned, then it would be 250 m away from the center, and 500 m from Kiyotaka's starting point. Now, Kiyotaka notices the rays when they have noticeably reached the sky, let's say about 100 m, for which, it would take 10 seconds at its 10 m/s speed for the 2000 m range.
Now, Kiyotaka approached the beam at his pace, which would make him reach a distance of 500-100 = 400 m (assuming Kiyotaka doesn't move a bit towards Senku), the time for this would be calculated from [(400-x)/72] = (x/10), from which we get x = 48.7804878 m, and we get the time as 4.87804878 seconds, to which, he can react much faster so I don't think I need to calculate the time for that.
Now, Kiyotaka has to move about {(400-48.7804878)+[(2000-500)/2]} = 1101.21951 m, but let's round it up to 1200 m (about 100 more meters for all the things and increases in distance which may have not been accounted for), so he has to move like 1200 m, for which, he would take 16.6666667 seconds, and the light? It takes like 110 seconds, so, Kiyotaka is like having about 93.3333333 seconds in his bag.
Now, he would be jumping into the see, which would make him have to swim a distance which can be calculated by y/2 = (93.3333333+y)/10 which gives like 23.3333333 m of distance till the light reaches him and petrifies him fully. Now, we cannot assume that Senku would be aware of the fact that he would have to set the range to be around 23.3333333 m more than the diameter of the island, which is still like one long building worth of distance. Being aware of how Senku works, he would most likely account of the distance, which is till the island diameter, but not for the more distance, considering how that would legit make a contest of stamina for him as well due to not having enough abilities
And let's not forget that Kiyotaka doesn't even scale to this speed, he's like much, much faster than it, he had legit blitzed the characters with the speed which I used to calculate this stuff for. Also, Senku also would have needed survival instincts to be aware of the fact that he is not some person with an insane amount of stamina, he's literally average in stamina, and even slightly below average via narratives.
So, in conclusion, there's not many outcomes for Senku's plan's success until he really pulls off a fluke.
As a Kiyotaka supporter, I am aware that anyone who supports him for even a millisecond would be considered a glazer.
I literally have Dr. Stone figurines in my gallery, and I legit happen to find Senku much more relatable than Kiyotaka (Kiyotaka isn't even real in his personality). Senku is like my top 1 in relatability, basically a guy who would have "Knowledge is Power" posters in his room and be a huge laboratory lab.
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Lol. I rescind my vote for senku.
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