The Ultra Series Discussion Thread

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Alright,here an discussion for the Ultra series,in this thread we can discuss anything related to Ultraman and input for the upgrade for their verse,but not only Ultraman,we can include Gridman here.

Before we start,here an video of nutshot and guillotinte guro by Ultraman Ace. :v


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[Mr.Cutlery]

Alright, I'm just gonna bring back what I asked in the last thread.

How the hell do we treat an Ultra's Inner Light?

Also, has anyone watched Fireman? Looks interesting, and I wanna know where I can watch it.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Unfortunaetly i did not,but i'm watching most of Fireman fight,and he have some good feat there.

For Inner light hmmm,i dunno,maybe Akreious have the answer.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Yeah, it's gonna take a while, but he'll notice this link or just stumble on it while lurking. He does that. I think.

 

[Akreious]

An Ultra's Inner Light is... weird. From the descriptions from Tsuburaya, an Ultra's "Inner Light" is a form of Energy within an Ultra. It seems to be treated similarly to the soul, however Ultras had their inner lights ripped out before and was revived without the need to return their Inner Light.... so.... It looks like it's more "Life Force" than Soul, which is what the Ultraman Wiki calls it as (An Ultra's Life Energy)

Alternatively, it could be that the Inner Light is an "Essential Energy" similarly to how us humans need Blood. Although, like I said, not much information is given by Tsuburaya about an Ultra's Inner Light.


Edit: Yes. I do that. ;D

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah,also btw is just me or else but the Fireman OP is really catchy for me,so good~

 

[Akreious]

You'd love the Admin on Ultraman Wiki SolZen. He's vastly superior to me when it comes to Fireman xD

Edit: Yes. Iz a good themez.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm not too active in Ultra wiki,welp time to fukatsu'ed there,also yeah,the theme is so good~~

BTW,now for the discussion,i'm surprised that Taro might have high regen,i mean dude that's an nigh impossible to beat an high regen.....

 

[Akreious]

Possibly High-Low or Low-Mid regen passively as well (Mebius being impaled and frozen, and when he was defrosted, there was no signs of wounds at all).

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

That's exactly what's troubling about this. Like, there doesn't seem to be any exact method of their treatment of an Ultra's Inner Light. Though, later portrayals of it does seem to be a bit... idk, comprehensible? I mean, yeah, in Saga and Ginga S(pecially), the way their Inner Light is treated seems a bit different than how it once was. I can't say for sure why I feel that way.

On a side note; I mean, who isn't a lurker here?


Yes, every so often I find myself singing to Fireman's OP.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Hmm,maybe an high low and low mid regen,likely high regen?

Yeah,i also singing Fireman OP,Tsupro plz reboot the Fireman!

 

[Akreious]

"I mean, yeah, in Saga and Ginga S(pecially), the way their Inner Light is treated seems a bit different than how it once was. I can't say for sure why I feel that way."

That's because it is. The Inner Light of an Ultra was treated as this mystical thing that humans could never comprehend as it's the true essence of an Ultra. But now, flipping Humans are holding regular conversations within it and we have Ultras getting their life force drained and being revived by having their host "FRIENDSHIP!" them back to life.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Anyway for this regen problem Akreious,can you ask Matt,he might can evaluate this regen.

Also i have an idea for Seven,first key is the Showa and continuation,2nd key is his heisei version,3rd key is in his X.

 

[Dat_Dot]

Ahh this remind me of Ultraman Gaia... Ahh my childhood...

 

[Akreious]

Hmm,maybe an high low and low mid regen,likely high regen?
Yeah,i also singing Fireman OP,Tsupro plz reboot the Fireman!

For Tarou and Mebius, the High Regen is for sure. For everybody else, it's possibly as it isn't confirmed to be a racial thing nor is it confirmed to only be a technique thing.

Also I don't know, does being impaled through the stomach count as High-Low or Low-Mid? I'm leaning towards Low-Mid since the thing was completely impaled into Mebius' body enough to pin him into the side of a Water Dam, and after Mebius was defrosted, he got out and did his signature pose like he just WASN'T stabbed with a blade the size of his head.

Edit: Spoilers, so just a warning.

https://youtu.be/pWZsgXkRhsw?t=30s

Here we see Mebius frozen and the blade that impaled him. Now, a lot of people might not know this, but it's confirmed Ultras have a similar anatomy to humans (Albeit, on a supernatural level). Judging from where the blade stabbed, it tore into the lungs and right through the spine (Since the blade went completely through and pinned Mebius to the dam through his body). This definitely sounds like Low-Mid.

Edit edit: And no, the Magnerium Medicalizer didn't heal him for any uninitiated out there. It's explained in the episode that the Magnerium Medicalizer is basically a Super Heat Ray that was used back in the hayday of Ultraseven.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

TBF i'm already know that Akreious,and hmmm,i'm somewhat agree with this.

 

[Dat_Dot]

TFW we don't have profile Gaia's profile here, what gives? Vel make a page for Ultraman Gaia pls ovo

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@Dot

Sembarangan,ane yang skillnya masih ecek-ecek gini dibilang mau buat......

 

[Akreious]

A little off-topic, but wouldn't Ultras also have Resurrection? They touch on this in Mebius BUT, we see Higher-Tier Ultras do it. I won't get into spoilers, but two examples show up in Mebius AND many times in other Ultra series.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler it due i'm already watch most of Ultra series,otherwise i agree,but iirc does ressurection for them need an condition like Ace is revived by the solar explode.

 

[Akreious]

Okay, why not.

Hikari revived by merging with a Host, Mebius revived by.... nothing. He revived himself. So... yeah.

Edit: Any Ultra can revive by merging with a host, so every Ultra should have that. Examples are everywhere; Ginga and Victory did it and Hikari did it to name a few.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Hmmm,fair enough,so an limited ressurection then?

 

[Akreious]

More conditional resurrection. And there's a chance of straight up resurrection as Mebius did.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Sound's legit,fine then.

BTW,i'm founding Pandon is an worthy kaiju to make the profile.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Crap, what'd I miss? Was writing this thing down here:

(Directed towards comment no.11)

That's... not wrong. I mean, it's just that we now see their Inner Lights in a simpler way, I guess that's kinda what makes it easier to understand now? I guess you could say they are in fact their souls. I don't know, I said that because of Zero's scene in UZF.

But, what if we look at it differently? In Saga, we see this strange ethereal scene of Zero taking back what seems to be Taiga's spirit. We know that they usually just merge with their hosts, and whenever the Ultra appears, the host is usually in this strange light-filled place (Which is the Inner Light) that seems to share the same visual style as that ethereal scene I mentioned earlier. Would that mean that whoever is not present at the time, takes over as the soul of whoever is present? I'm sorry if this is a bit hard to understand. But now that I think again, this same thing seems to happen with Geed as well, we see that in the mindscape of Belial, a corrupted Geed is the one fighting against Zero while Belial takes a backseat and talks to him.

Now, how do we know that was Geed's soul? Well, Belial and by extension Geed's mindscape shares some things with Zero's own, a strange representation of what state they are currently in. And, going further back with UZF again, we know that when Belial talks to Zero, or rather, mocks him for "killing" the Ultimate Force, we see this dark space with heavy rain, almost like it's representing Zero's mental state. Anyway, back to topic, when that happened we know it's their souls that we are seeing because it was explicitly shown not too long ago that Belial's spirit had overtaken Zero's soul.

Tl;dr, whenever we see an Ultra's Inner Light, and we see someone present, does that mean it's their soul that we're seeing?


Didn't think I'd be writing a mini-essay of questions and speculations.

After that, let's take a break for a moment and I'll just ask, what do you guys think of R/B? In overall, and what do you hope they do with it? I've already talked with Vel about this a while back so I guess this is more directed towards you, Akre.

 

[Akreious]

So, you know you're implying that Ultras are able to enter other people's minds (or souls) and kill them inside there right? Turn it into a mental/spiritual battle. Well I mean, Ultras were able to dispel enemies (or at least try) from their minds since like, forever, so why not the soul?

My opinion on R/B? Ehhhh, I still stand by my opinion that Mebius is the last "Good" ultra series (Being the last long-run type series too). The only Ultra series that come to mind that's at least decent would be Orb, which was Great. But then we had crap shows like Ginga S, so...

My expectations for R/B is higher than X due to the Orb Movie and how well Orb was done, but I won't be holding my breath. Transformation devices look cool though, looks like blue versions of the Original Cartoon Matrix from Transformers. Ultra designs look kinda meh, but I like the Blue one better.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BTW,i'm already invite Peter and Cropfist tocome here so this thread become more alive.

 

[Akreious]

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Peter is surprising because i'm knowing him as PMMM supporter but he's Ultra fans too,for Cropfist i know him based from Cut wall.

Anyway,should we add human persona for most Ultra?

 

[Akreious]

I mean, I guess we could. Problem is, they're either A) Regular humans with Enhanced stats or B) Superhumans with the Ultra's base abilities just downsized

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah,that's the problem.

Anyway Akre,how many kaiju is worthy to make their profile,i say Pandon and Silver Gold duo is worthy.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Huh, didn't really think about that. That would be cool to see though. Some real hax would really be needed here in this verse.

Eh, Ginga S was actually very enjoyable to me. I guess it's because it's actually what pulled me back. Honestly, it's probably the last time I would ever deem Koichi's work to be great. Orb was definitely one of the better ones. Perhaps the best one among the New Gen. I think R/B might be good as well, hopefully on par with Orb since it's going to be helmed by one of the better directors in their staff list.

So... how many of you didn't like X? I personally think his series was great, his movie was freakin' amazing, Orb's movie, while not bad, suffered from some wacky continuity error. Actually, I think blunder would be a more correct term for what happened there.

R/B Gyro is certainly one of the stranger designs, but I guess I should wait and see like I always do. Yeah, I have to agree on the designs. Had it not been for a certain dweeb, I never wouldl have noticed their mistakes. While the designs on their upper body and their head crests are amazing, they seem to be lacking past there.

Also, anyone else notice that the Geed Riser is perhaps the most standard name for a transformation device so far?

 

[Akreious]

Alien Empera. His Go-To Attack converts you into Minus Energy and is also implied to be Existence Erasure in magazines. He also casually covered the entire surface of the sun FOR SHOW, is one of the few people to have taken over the Land of Light and hold it for a period of time. He also has a cloak that nulls beam attacks, and the fact that his weakness is the Light (Specifically an Ultra's Light) and he STILL kicks most Ultra's asses is a testimate of how OP and noteworthy he is.

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Wait, what, really? EE for the AE?

I mean, not only is an Ultra's light his only true weakness, despite that, it still took a combo beam from Mebius' Phoenix Brave as well as Zoffy, not to mention the Specium Redoubler and an extended periof of exposure to the light did Empera was finally defeated for real.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Welp,aside Empera there is Zogu,Gathanozoa,etc but i'm lazy to list it right now.

 

[Akreious]

Exactly. His AP is insane, it took a Super Ultra (An Ultra that stomps regular Ultras casually with no difficulty) and ZOFFY, a person with the most powerful beam in the verse (Yes, the M87 Ray is considered the strongest beam in the verse) both firing down their beams into a machine that amplified their already insane AP to down Empera. and Even then, he stood in it for 3+ minutes and only died when Mebius pulled out an even more powerful Finisher that BROKE the amplification machine that Empera finally relented. His Dura is flipping insane.

"Wait, what, really? EE for the AE?"

Yep. Although it's only implied.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Damn tho,AE is hella strong than i expected.......

 

[Akreious]

Welp,aside Empera there is Zogu,Gathanozoa,etc but i'm lazy to list it right now.

Golza would be good. Imperializer and Mecha Zamu is good too. Also Salamandora, who can regenerate from a single cell in only a few hours MAX (As in, he's at full strength and ready to go immediately). Alien Reflect is a good candidate too, as beams don't work on that guy period. Everything gets reflected and/or shrugged off and only physical attacks work (Which is why Leo kicked his ass).

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

How about Eleking,also there is super powerful Kaiju that fought Agul and Gaia in the OVA (?),i forget his name but he's hella strong too.

 

[Akreious]

Damn tho,AE is hella strong than i expected.......

I mean, even without EE, Alien Empera is hella OP. If you aren't superior to him, you can never hit him ever. His Red Shockwaves will send you flying. Why he didn't use it against Mebius and Zoffy or against Hikari when he charged him is beyond me. It's probably super PIS since they needed to end the story quickly. Like how Empera could've easily just taken 3 steps to the right or left and he'd be out of any harm from the Redoublizer.