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Part 1 was discussed here

Alrighty, let’s start part 2!

The Ultimate Annihilator

The stats that are being covered are

Range & Speed

Range is being upgrade to: Multiversal+

In story, the Ultimate Annihilator’s range was never given a cap. In all regards, the context of dialogue is implied it was just unknown.

However, in the Archie Sonic Encyclopedia, it stated the U.A. weaken the boundaries between the Prime Zone and all other Zones.

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Zones in Archie Sonic can refer to Universes like the Special Zone and the Zone of Silence, which are viewed as universal-size dimensions. However, the term is interchangeably used with the Multiverse, as the wording is used for each universe the characters (and narrative) come across.

Ian Flynn is aware of how Universal the term Zone is, regardless of what type of universe, whether it’s a dimension or part of the multi-verse, as he continue to write the story with calling the multiverse, Zones, and creating the Special Zone using the Zone of Silence.

Further proof, in Sonic Super Special #10, Sonic ask Zonic how Evil Sonic(Scourge) could travel to other Zones in the Multiverse, Zonic repeats what’s been stated in the Encyclopedia, without the “all” part, further alludes that the U.A.’s range was unknown with the story alone.

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(Locke’s quote)

The Ultimate Annihilator reaching the Multiverse does get story importance, as the 2nd Dr. Ivo Robotnik(later known as Dr. Eggman) traveled the Multiverse without the Zone Cops’s approval because of the circumstances with the U.A.

If it has infinite range, why didn’t you translate that to AP when doing the first part of the revision?

Because both Zonic and the Encyclopedia stated it only weakened the barriers/boundaries/buffer between Zones. This “weakening“ is unquantifiable when it comes to AP, to the point where you might as well disregard it. Except when it comes to discussing range.

Speed is being upgrade to: Infinite

This should be easy enough. If range gets accepted, naturally the speed will increased.

It did happen in a finite timeframe, as stated by Locke.

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Sorry Sorry, I was mistaken. Locke only stated the Prime Zone was erased for a finite amount of time. Not how fast the Ultimate Annihilator firing rate is.

So, the firing rate has non-stated amount of time, but it’s still infinite speed for reaching Infinite distance.

In conclusion:

Range: Multiversal+ (Fired from the Prime Zone and reached all other Zones, including the infinite multiverse)

Speed: Infinite (Reached each Zone in the Infinite Multiverse and weaken their boundaries)

Adding a New Ability

Willpower Restoration (The consequential effects from U.A.’s malfunction restored the will of the Robians underneath Robotnik’s control)

This ability has a limited range, however, as only those in city limits (Robotroplis) are effected.

Miscellaneous

A couple profiles don't share the rating with the rest of the verse for no reason. I'd like to bring them up to date.

Replacing SwatBots’s 9-A rating to the rest of the verse

Dec/14/2020 Edit: SWATbots: Low 2-C

Attack Potency: Universe level + (SWATbots conquered the Planet Mobius, fresh off the Great War, making them superior to Civilian Mobians and highly trained Mobian Soldiers, who roughly scale to Geoffrey St. John in combat skill and comparable strength. Superior to Robo-Robotnik’s(the 2nd Robotnik) Shadow Bots, receiving no loss of forces or damage from the conflict. Shadow Bots broke the Master Emerald. Should not be infinitely weaker than Omega, who caused pain on Fiest), higher via Self-Destruction (That made Sonic concerned). Can ignore conventional durability with Disintegration beams

Speed: Massively FTL+ (Ambushed an unsuspecting Sonic, who was dodging their laser beams), higher attack speed via laser beams

Lifting Strength: At least Class G (A Shadow Bot restrained Sally with no effort)

Striking Strength: Universal + (Knocked King Max out cold, effectively paralyzing him)

Durability: Universe level + (Often considered fodder to Sonic. Despite this, they have taken more than one hit to deal with by Sonic and have overwhelmed him in numbers)



same with replacing Archie Robotnik’s 8-C rating to scale with the verse, as not only did he fight seriously in combat with Sonic the Hedgehog in Base, his species, the Overlanders, had a Great War with the Mobians in Base.

Dec/20/2020 Edit: Dr. Ivo Robotnik: Low 2-C

Attack Potency: Universe level + (Can easily one shot SWATbots. Took hits that knocked out Robo-Snively with one punch. Fought Sonic on equal footing on 3 separate occasions), Varies higher (Fought Sonic the Hedgehog with the Egg Beater, Egg Tarantula, Egg Destroyer Battlesuit, ect) to Multiverse level+ with machinery (Can rewrite all of reality with the Super Genesis Wave. Fought with Super Sonic and Super Armor Mega Man with the Egg-Wily Machine X), can bypass conventional durability in several ways

Speed: Massively FTL+ reactions and combat speed (Can react to Sonic in Base on multiple instances), Immeasurable with the Egg-Wily Machine X

Lifting Strength: At least Class G (Stronger than SWATbots. Deflected Sonic's charges in succession while being organic. Prime Robotnik and Robo-Robotnik V2.0 are comparable with each other), Varies from at least Class G to Immeasurable with machinery

Striking Strength: Universal + (Punched Sonic in the face, knocking him to the ground), Varies higher in Universal + to Multiversal+ with machines

Durability: Universe level + (Fought Sonic to the death. His species, the Overlanders, fought the Mobians in the Great War on equal footing), Varies higher in Universe level + to Multiverse level+ with machines, with forcefields, robot bodies that Stone Wall Sonic, transmution and immortality make him difficult to harm or kill
 
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I have to say that the Swatbots really should not scale to Sonic since Sonic always claps them in seconds and the other characters can attack them with a shot as well and hell even Eggman crushed the head with his bare hands

I don't think the Swatbots should really scale to Sonic imo
 
I have to say that the Swatbots really should not scale to Sonic since Sonic always claps them in seconds and the other characters can attack them with a shot as well and hell even Eggman crushed the head with his bare hands

I don't think the Swatbots should really scale to Sonic imo
The fact that SwatBots were consider enough to be a threat to Mobains, who should all scale to Low 2-C. IF not Low 2-C, that contradicts the story, as they were never destroyed by the cast by sneezing or hitting them with their pinky.



The fact is, the Swatbots have enough scaling feats to put them on par with the cast.

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The problem everyone is having is that scaling regular Eggman robots to the main cast is that it goes against this quote from the outlier page

  • In a lot of video games, such as the Mario Bros and Kirby franchises, even the most low-level flunkies and mini-bosses tend to be able to defeat the protagonists with just a few basic hits during game play, or to be treated as being on an almost level playing field during sport events. It is also common that the protagonists can be killed or knocked out by comparatively very minor impacts, despite that the lore and cutscenes have displayed numerous planetary and interstellar feats. However, the regular fodder enemies have very poor feats and combat records compared to the main characters, so scaling the former to the latter should not be an accepted practice.
This isn't a video game but the principle is the same
 
Like I'm saying, everybody scales(relative) in this verse. Even Dimitri who is a head in a bubble.
 
Btw, Omega scaling to Fiest already puts Robotnik's robots/weapons to scale with Low 2-C without scaling to Sonic.

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Being one of his best robots makes him infinitely stronger than 9-A SwatBots with no supporting statements?
 
I would agree that Omega doesn’t necessarily scale to the average bit but the lack of anti-feats for the bots presented still causes me to lean towards Blue here.
 
That's how game Sonic is treated currently...
The Downplayers use "Its Gameplay so it doesn't count" argument for the lesser robots with no cutscenes. That argument can't be used in a comic book series, where the images are blatant on what is happening in the story.

That, and the Robots can't be infinitely weaker than Omega without supporting evidence, but SwatBots conquered the planet.
 
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I’m honestly leaning towards Blue here in the case of the swat bots, although I think we should keep the 8-C key for Eggman and only have Robotnik Prime scale to Sonic.
 
While Yes there are times where the Swatbots can hurt Sonic and can one shot Blaze, they also get one shotted by Sonic and had their head broken by Eggman with his hands making it inconsistent
 
But according to the OP, Robotnik fought Sonic in his base form. Unless we’re counting that as inconsistency too?
It's not, because the Great War, Overlanders scale perfectly with Mobians.


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I’m honestly leaning towards Blue here in the case of the swat bots, although I think we should keep the 8-C key for Eggman and only have Robotnik Prime scale to Sonic.

Er, no, cause Robotnik's incorrect 8-C justification comes from the Swatbots. Other than that, he doesn't have justifications for 8-C.

Sonic Super Special issue 6 (The Writers have confirmed they consider this remake of issue 50 of the main book to be canon, as they ran out of time when making the original issue 50. Sonic Archives, the rerelease has Sonic Super Special issue 6 replacing the original, confirming it as a retcon):

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Sonic the Hedgehog issue 157:

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No, Sonic doesn't have a Harem in Archie. Eggman was just taunting him.
 
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