The Ultimate Annihilator Revision Part 1

[ElixirBlue]

Before I get into anything, this revision doesn’t scale to the rest of the verse. There is one other separate profile that will get effected, but it’s for optional equipment for a character that has yet to be listed having it.

The Ultimate Annihilator’s stats could use some work on and I see it can be improved. The stats I’m proposing would be:

AP: 2-C
Speed: Will be revealed later
Durability: Low 2-C (Same, but with added scaling)
Range: Will be revealed later, but does not scale to the other stats for U.A.

AP: Low Multiversal

The current justification for U.A. is:
Universe level+ (It’s side effects completely destroyed Verti-Cal and Horizont-Al's Zone to the sub-atomic level, a parallel reality)

Which is fine, if the Prime Zone and Al & Cal’s Zone was the only one effected. But it wasn’t the only one.

We know the U.A. created at least 1 Zone, an alternate reality.

We have 3 statements of multiple Zones, alternative realities, popping up as a result of the Ultimate Annihilator,

with one of the Zones being for certain created by the U.A.,

when Sonic got trapped in an alternate reality, not part of the multiverse, as the Zone transformed Sonic into a different person(that he remembers his time as),

as entering a Zone in the multiverse allows you to retain yourself,

and Sally confirms the Zone Sonic was trapped was an alternate reality, that was only there because of the U.A.

Rotor’s “In fact, many Zones were created when Robotnik unleashed his device!” is weak by itself but supported by other statements about multiple Zones popping up and the Zone Sonic was trapped in in issue 52.

It’s unknown how many Zones were created, but the Prime Zone getting erased(temporarily), Al & Cal getting atomized, and evidence a Zone was created by the U.A., points to the “many Zones were created when Robotnik unleashed his device” holding weight, even if it doesn’t get anything more than 2-C.

Knothole existing in a separate Temporal Zone made by the U.A. doesn’t factor into the 2-C justification, as that was a separate attack with one location and one purpose in mind(Existence Erasure), but it also supports that the U.A. can create Zones.

Durability: Still Universal +

This is just for establishing a scaling chain.

Mighty the Armadillo thrashed Snivley’s bot made by the 2nd Robotnik,

Mighty makes no damage on the Egg Beater, even Knuckles and Vector has to help each other to pull an arm, but Bunnie destroys it in one blast,

tangent, the 1st Robotnik’s Swatbots cleanly destroys the 2nd Robotnik’s Shadowbots, later issues confirm it,

Bunnie’s blast is blocked by Mecha Sonic, who Bunnie was ordered to take down,

later, it was determined the U.A. was going to be destroyed by a bomb Antoine got a hold of not by Bunnie’s Cannon,

and when it was firing, Bunnie didn’t even attempt to destroy the U.A., even tho both of them knew the U.A. was going to erase everyone they knew. From the context of the story, she couldn’t destroy it.

Bunnie’s cannon relies on her own Life force for energy. However, there is been no statements that her Life force increases over time for her power. So while she could destory the Egg Beater, the narrative (Antoine’s Bomb Necessity) says the Ultimate Annihilator tanks Bunnie’s blasts.

New stats proposed for the Ultimate Annihilator reads:

AP: Low Multiverse, possibly higher (Erased the Prime Zone. It’s side effects completely destroyed Verti-Cal and Horizont-Al's Zone to the sub-atomic level, a parallel reality. It created many alternate realities in an unknown amount. One Zone was discovered by Sonic)​

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Durability: Universe level+ (Scales above Bunnie Rabbot, who destroyed a large part of the Egg Beater while holding back.​

Antoine D’Coolette

* Optional Equipment: The Bomb (One Shotted the Ultimate Annihilator, making it explode after causing a massive malfunction. Has a timer that can be set to)

 

[ElixirBlue]

Edit: I’m awake.

 

[Theuser789]

Looks good

 

[ElixirBlue]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Executor_N0 @Elizhaa @Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer @The_real_cal_howard

Are you willing to evaluate this?

 

[Foneybone1]

Sonic's change in personality in issue 52 is likely a result of the suit he follows into the other zone and wore while there.

Considering Knothole's temporal zone only encompasses the city, and Rotor's statement about the annihilator creating zones immediately follows talking about it, he's likely referring to geographical zones being created.

When talking about separate universal zones, it's said the annihilator weakened the barriers between them and the prime zone allowing easier and or accidental travel. This is reiterated by the encyclopedia.

The much more likely result is that these zones became accessible due to the omega wave rather than somehow being created by it. Al and Cal's zone and Echidnaopolis being some of the zones with weakened barriers supports this as we know the annihilator didn't create them.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Sigh

Sonic's change in personality in issue 52 is likely a result of the suit he follows into the other zone and wore while there.

Can you find evidence Sonic putting on the suit or taking it off? There was a flash of light before the narrative switch to another reality. Which usually means reality warping in Archie Sonic.

Considering Knothole's temporal zone only encompasses the city, and Rotor's statement about the annihilator creating zones immediately follows talking about it, he's likely referring to geographical zones being created.

I brought up the Temporal Zone as evidence it can create Zones. But Knothole is an unique case and doesn’t apply to 2-C Justification for 2 reasons.

1. The Temporal Zone was created when The Ultimate Annihilator was functioning normal and Robotnik was only targeting the city. It can’t scale to the malfunctioning explosion that effected the entire universe (and others, Al & Cal).

2. Sally includes the Zones popping up across the planet and the ZoneSonic fell through as an alternate reality.

Sally does not call the temporal zone an alternate reality as with the others, and just refers to it as a Temporal zone.

When talking about separate universal zones, it's said the annihilator weakened the barriers between them and the prime zone allowing easier and or accidental travel. This is reiterated by the encyclopedia.

That will be discussed in another revision, not this one. And the examples the encyclopedia brought as weakening barriers between zones was Echidnapolis and the Twilight Cage, which were shown to be separate cases than the Zone Sonic fell through in the story.

Al and Cal's zone and Echidnaopolis being some of the zones with weakened barriers supports this as we know the annihilator didn't create them.

Al & Cal’s Zone’s barriers wasn’t simply weaken. The comic tells us that the ultimate annihilator caused them and their Zone to be atomize to the sub-atomic level. That’s a false equivalency that you’re using.

 

[Foneybone1]

Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh

Well...he's not wearing the suit before entering the zone, is wearing it in the zone, and isn't when he leaves. Unless you're asking for specific scans of him actively putting on and taking off the suit, as if that's necessary for the story to convey that the suit he's wearing which is visually identical to the one that leads him to the zone and is otherwise never seen again are the same. The suit is obviously abnormal, flying around and glowing and all. It's not like it matters anyway, Sonic's personality changing isn't evidence that the annihilator created the zone.

I'm agreeing that it created zones, and am aware of the circumstances that led to Knothole's situation. What I'm saying is Rotor talking about a "geographical" zone before saying more zones were created implies that geographical zones were created.

The weakened boundary points do appear across Mobius; Sally saying the annihilator, "opened a series of...zones," fits more with weakening zone's boundaries than creating entire realities. She's almost certainly not referring to the same zones Rotor was as, like you said, she differentiates Knothole's temporal zone. In issue 59 Sonic says, "it's another weakened wall between our reality and an unknown zone." The "another" indicates that the zone from issue 52 was accessed due to its boundary being weakened, as this is the only zone Sonic had accessed as a byproduct of the annihilator at that point (barring Knothole, obviously)

The comic itself made the equivalency. Al and Cal's zone still existed on a subatomic level, and as such its borders still existed and could be weakened. The zone itself being damaged makes it more likely that the zone's boundary was also damaged. The doorway also closes right after they leave, just like the one from issue 52. "Disappeared almost immediately," as Sally put it.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Well...he's not wearing the suit before entering the zone, is wearing it in the zone, and isn't when he leaves.

Reality Warping

Unless you're asking for specific scans of him actively putting on and taking off the suit, as if that's necessary for the story

Sonic's change in personality in issue 52 is likely a result of the suit he follows into the other zone and wore while there.

It’s not necessary to the story, it’s necessary to your assumption that’s not Reality Warping.

It's not like it matters anyway, Sonic's personality changing isn't evidence that the annihilator created the zone.

She's almost certainly not referring to the same zones Rotor was as, like you said, she differentiates Knothole's temporal zone.

What do you think Rotor was referring to if you’re saying Rotor and Sally are referring to the different things?

Rotor said the Temporal Zone was almost like a Zone, meaning he didn’t think it was actually a Zone but similar.

Then in the next breath, he confidently says Zones were being created.

Where are you getting your assumption that Sally and Rotor are talking about 2 different types of Zones?

In issue 59 Sonic says, "it's another weakened wall between our reality and an unknown zone." The "another" indicates that the zone from issue 52

No it doesn’t. There’s no “indication“. But admittedly a plausible assumption. However, there’s already two statements about the Zone Sonic was in specifically being an alternate reality(capable of reality warping) caused by the U.A., from Sally’s mouth and Sonic’s mouth. The quote you’re bringing up doesn’t even refer to the Zone in question.

The Freedom Fighters are known to share information with each other, so that’s another plausible assumption Sonic getting the information the U.A. also weakens the boundaries of other, unrelated zones.

Al and Cal's zone still existed on a subatomic level, and as such its borders still existed and could be weakened.

:/ That doesn’t really negate what happened to their zone, even if it’s true. Weakening borders doesn’t explain the destruction that happened to them.

The doorway also closes right after they leave, just like the one from issue 52. "Disappeared almost immediately," as Sally put it.

Actually, it disappeared because of their fighting.

Cal later confirms that they can cause damage to other Zones from within their own Zone, which requires them to break down the “borders” themselves without the Ultimate Annihilator’s help. Which is supporting evidence that they destroyed/possibly created that doorway in issue 59.

Further evidence that Al & Cal’s “doorway” closing is capable of being caused by them, unlike the Zone Sonic was in in issue 52, is that closing “borders” have never been a problem for Al & Cal, all the way back in issue 3.

 

[ElixirBlue]

In case anyone is wondering, there is consistency on how Reality Warping is portrayed visually throughout Archie Sonic.

 

[Antvasima]

@Executor_N0 @Elizhaa @Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer @The_real_cal_howard

Anyone?

 

[Elizhaa]

Durability: Universe level+ (Scales above Bunnie Rabbot, who destroyed a large part of the Egg Beater while holding back.​

The justification is written to make it sounds like it is about Attack Potency, not Durability so I think it should be improved.

I think the other proposals are fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. What Elizhaa has accepted can probably be applied.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Alrighty!

As for Durability, how about wording it like this instead?

“Universe level+ (Bunnie Rabbot, who destroyed a large part of the Egg Beater while holding back, was not considered able to destroy or cause damage to stop the U.A.)”

 

[Elizhaa]

The wording looks fine.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Excellent! Then I'll go ahead and apply the changes to the Ultimate Annihilator’s profile and Antione D’Coolette's.

 

[ElixirBlue]

The changes have been applied. I left the Range untouched because I plan to address it in a later Revision.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. I will close this thread then.