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Yeah it's exactly what I said it is....who knows maybe one day this bookmark will be "interesting" maybe not... let's wait a couple of years.
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The Tragic Purge of WWE...
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RandomGuy2345
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Just like how DemonicDude plays exaggerated version of himself on Vsbattle wiki
Agreed.
If you ever ask any professional wrestling fan who has been watching since 1980s they will tell you following are the most important figures in the history of WWE
1- Hulk Hogan for popularizing in the 1980s with his American hero character
2- The Undertaker and everything that he has done with his mysterious undead character which parents of the entire lore of the verse to the point WWE introduced his evil brother Kane and even made comic book of them
3- Steven Austin for 1997-2003 for the entire Attitude Era.
4- SOLID number four would be John Cena for Is humongous popularity playing the next big American Hero role selling millions in merchandise sales and becoming the perfect top guy for WWE and and a hero for children's all around the world. His feats of throwing people off of the roof of a car or surviving car crashes for lifting some of the most heaviest people is the reason behind the power scaling in the verse.
Today due to Hollywood movies people have really forgotten who John Cena was And how he is responsible for over two decades of carrying the company on his shoulders.
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I mean media in which he portrays John Cena, wrestler.
While it's not John Cena specifically, I think the funniest example is another character that was mentioned to stay, Stone Cold Steve Austin's apparent appearance in the ******* Smosh movie, portraying Stone Cold Steve Austin, which really caught me off-guard.
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I mean... playing the role of a fictional character in a fictional movie shouldn't be something egregious, right?
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Similar view to Duedate's
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Random have you seen this ?
I'm watching it for refreshing my memory on this great company. It makes me wanna watch 1970 and 1960 matches of Bruno Samuntrio, Bob Backlund and Pedro Morals (whose championship record Roman Reigns might've broken this year)
I'm watching it for refreshing my memory on this great company. It makes me wanna watch 1970 and 1960 matches of Bruno Samuntrio, Bob Backlund and Pedro Morals (whose championship record Roman Reigns might've broken this year)
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I know it exists, but I haven't watched it yet.
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I think you can probably guess my interpretation of it, and I can probably guess yours, so I don't think there's much merit to discussing it, but still, just so I can be clear: Steve Austin, John Cena, etc, playing their played-up bits across other media, is a good indicator, I think, that it is not a WWE-created character but rather a persona they themselves use. These two individuals in particular have multiple appearances as "themselves" in which they portray their supposed WWE character, that's damn good evidence to blurring reality-fiction, which is a second point against them in terms of deletion in conjunction with the name thing.
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Alright, I'm here with the incredibly hot take that the OP is alright but I think John Cena can stay.
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I think MJF should stay (MJF is an abbreviation of his name which isn't his as his name is Maxwell T. Friedman, not Maxwell Jacob Friedman).
I see no major difference between Theory and Ellsworth though. If Ellsworth should go Theory as well.
I am neutral on Randy but I think the rest of the OP is accurate.
You will be missed Cena
I see no major difference between Theory and Ellsworth though. If Ellsworth should go Theory as well.
I am neutral on Randy but I think the rest of the OP is accurate.
You will be missed Cena
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He's an exaggerated version of himself something staff don't like.
Theory actually plays a major role in the narrative of the verse as opposed to Ellsworth, who's a complete joke.
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Personally speaking I believe that both The Rock and Cena are fine to stay, their WWE characters are not only very important but they were played well before both of them began their own career and become the personalities they are currently.
However there is something I would like to ask a bit unreleated but at the same time relevant for the verse. As far I understand the current changes are with the purpose of separate the real individuals from the characters and make the distinction between reality and fiction much more clear correct? Because if that's indeed the case then shouldn't the information related with the real persons be removed from their played character? Like to give an example of what I mean, shouldn't the mention of the vertigo case (as well as his other long lasting injuries) that Tyson Smith suffered for three years as result of his injuries be something to remove from Kenny Omega profile? After all it wasn't something scripted and it was a real life thing that the real life person needed to go through while playing the character. Similar to that I remember from previous discussions that at some point were used to debate feats performed by the real individuals outside of the WWE scripts, like Kurt Angle case of winning a golden medal with a broken neck before even joining the WWE, something that currently isn't in any profile but that I bring to confirm if things like that wouldn't be allowed in the profiles and debates of the verse.
However there is something I would like to ask a bit unreleated but at the same time relevant for the verse. As far I understand the current changes are with the purpose of separate the real individuals from the characters and make the distinction between reality and fiction much more clear correct? Because if that's indeed the case then shouldn't the information related with the real persons be removed from their played character? Like to give an example of what I mean, shouldn't the mention of the vertigo case (as well as his other long lasting injuries) that Tyson Smith suffered for three years as result of his injuries be something to remove from Kenny Omega profile? After all it wasn't something scripted and it was a real life thing that the real life person needed to go through while playing the character. Similar to that I remember from previous discussions that at some point were used to debate feats performed by the real individuals outside of the WWE scripts, like Kurt Angle case of winning a golden medal with a broken neck before even joining the WWE, something that currently isn't in any profile but that I bring to confirm if things like that wouldn't be allowed in the profiles and debates of the verse.
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I'm asking because after the revision to the rules that was a genuine doubt I got as that would also affect how the profiles are handled and the information allowed in them.
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What qualifies to you as major???
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His only relevance is that he hit Cena in his **** on Wrestlemania, otherwise he's trash.
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This is actually something WWE constantly mentions whenever they talk about Kurt Angle. Angle himself won't hesitate to say that he won the gold medal with a broken neck.
That's something I can't give a confident answer on. Might have to ask DD.
I agree with your sentiment overall, though.
Theory is one of the top stars in WWE currently. Hell, most of the profiles we have currently are mostly wrestlers who can be considered top stars in the company.
People like James Ellsworth and Brooklyn Brawler, who don't do much other than job to other wrestlers shouldn't be allowed imo, as their role in the narrative isn't significant in the slightest.
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I mean, if I won a golden medal with a broken neck I would also mention that whenever I talk
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Yes, as it is mentioned a ton in the WWE canon.
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Didnt read but Logan going to joke battles wiki like the clown he is?
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Seems likely
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Lmao that was mean im sorry for saying that
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Who says that in wrestling only SCRIPTED injuries are a thing ?
Omega and Kurt being injured in real life literally part of the verse.
The commentators talks about their injuries over and over during the matches.
Entire return of Kenny Omega a couple of years ago in AEW was due to the fact that he was injured and had to relinquish his championship belt.
His injury is integral part of the story.
(OKADA injured him his drop kick are directly compares by Omega as "Blunt Force Trauma) even major wrestling personalities and retired wrestlers considers him one of the best strikers in Japanese wrestling.
so yes it Originated from the verse itself.
Kenny Omega Was Injured After Botched Dropkick From Kazuchika Okada
Kenny Omega's in-ring skills have made him one of the most sought-after pro wrestlers in the entire industry right now. Omega has competed in several
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by the same logic
big E live in WWE got his neck broken. (A real life injury not fake one)
News was everywhere from ESPN, CNBC all major sporting channels.
Big E suffers broken neck after unintentional fall on his head during WWE SmackDown
Big E took a scary bump at the open of the show that left many concerned for the superstar's health
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So by that same logic Big E injury should be removed ?
That's just ridiculous it's part of the verse because it ORIGINATED in the verse and NOT real life.
Kurt angle is a different story since his injury originated outside of WWE. Even then It's HEAVILY stated by commentators over and over it's integral part of Kurt Angle's WWE character.
I'll wait for Random.
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Who says that in wrestling only SCRIPTED injuries are a thing ?
Omega and Kurt being injured in real life literally part of the verse.
The commentators talks about their injuries over and over during the matches.
Entire return of Kenny Omega a couple of years ago in AEW was due to the fact that he was injured and had to relinquish his championship belt.
His injury is integral part of the stor
by the same logic
big E live in WWE got his neck broken. (A real life injury not fake one)
News was everywhere from ESPN, CNBC all major sporting channels.
Big E suffers broken neck after unintentional fall on his head during WWE SmackDown
Big E took a scary bump at the open of the show that left many concerned for the superstar's health
So by that same logic Big E injury should be removed ?
That's just ridiculous it's part of the verse because it ORIGINATED in the verse and NOT real life.
Kurt angle is a different story since his injury originated outside of WWE. Even then It's HEAVILY stated by commentators over and over it's integral part of Kurt Angle's WWE character.
I'll wait for Random.
About the Big E part, I'm not too sure if you can use that as an example right now, as it was never really incorporated into a storyline like the others you mentioned.
You're basically spot on for everything else.
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If it will then we can, so we need to wait a year or so.
As for Omega. I already in January posted him vs Osprey at Wrestle Kingdom and even if you watch AEW every week it's a constant thing mentioned by commentary and it Originated from the verse.
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Just curious, but aren’t all injuries even when they’re not scripted, considered canon to wrestling with the whole “Don’t Try This At Home” advertising. I mean they once literally used a footage of Orton getting injured in a house show
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No.
The advertisement shouldn't be taken into consideration as that's all it is. It shouldn't be taken in a vs debating context. It should be taken in the context of real life people getting trying to perform the moves trained professionals do
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According to new rules we have, this should be fine and I agree with it.
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I didn't even knew we have Omos and Umaga profiles
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Who says that in wrestling only SCRIPTED injuries are a thing ?
Omega and Kurt being injured in real life literally part of the verse.
The commentators talks about their injuries over and over during the matches.
Entire return of Kenny Omega a couple of years ago in AEW was due to the fact that he was injured and had to relinquish his championship belt.
His injury is integral part of the story.
(OKADA injured him his drop kick are directly compares by Omega as "Blunt Force Trauma) even major wrestling personalities and retired wrestlers considers him one of the best strikers in Japanese wrestling.
so yes it Originated from the verse itself.
Kenny Omega Was Injured After Botched Dropkick From Kazuchika Okada
Kenny Omega's in-ring skills have made him one of the most sought-after pro wrestlers in the entire industry right now. Omega has competed in severalwww.google.com
by the same logic
big E live in WWE got his neck broken. (A real life injury not fake one)
News was everywhere from ESPN, CNBC all major sporting channels.
Big E suffers broken neck after unintentional fall on his head during WWE SmackDown
Big E took a scary bump at the open of the show that left many concerned for the superstar's health
So by that same logic Big E injury should be removed ?
That's just ridiculous it's part of the verse because it ORIGINATED in the verse and NOT real life.
Kurt angle is a different story since his injury originated outside of WWE. Even then It's HEAVILY stated by commentators over and over it's integral part of Kurt Angle's WWE character.
I'll wait for Random.
I would be fine with injuries that the characters got in middle of their matches, things like Adam Cole broken rib which was commented in the middle of the fight when it happened and showed. But cases like Tyson vertigo are different because while originated from the effects a match had in his body, he didn't discovered it until the next day on his home, and Tyson didn't even revealed the information about what he as person was suffering years after, so is something quite different to an injury that Kenny Omega could had suffered in a match, it would be like mentioning the injuries/conditions that an actor had while playing a role in said character profile (like mentioning Deep finger injury in Jack Sparrow's profile or Halley Berre broken ribs while filming Bruished be mentioned in her Jackie profile), it's a bit the same with Kurt example
So, my question to the staff is, if the point of this new rules is to differenciate the person from the character and make clear the distinction between reality and fiction, should this type of things be allowed in the profiles?
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if you're gonna be wiping multiple time world champions from the verse, just nuke the verse.
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The Markiplier verse exists despite Markiplier not being allowed at first, this is in a similar boat
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That's just stupid lol.
People rn are fighting for people like Cena to stay, so I think people won't be too salty at the end of this thread if he ends up staying.
Question for blue names: Are y'all fine with me counting staff votes only? While you might disagree with what some of them are saying, their votes hold the most weight. I'm just asking now, because I don't want to make it seem like I'm devaluing your opinions by not counting them in the vote tally.
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It doesn't have any value anyway, so we can cope in case of contrary.
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