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The Strongest Otsutsuki vs The Saiyan Prince

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When Vegeta and Nappa arrive on Earth, in search of the Dragon Balls, they are met by Isshiki. They explain what they’re looking for and threaten to kill Isshiki if he possesses any of the Dragon Balls. Learning what the Dragon Balls are capable of, Isshiki wants it for himself and kills Nappa before he could react. Now he faces the Prince of all Saiyans.

Standard Battle Assumptions

Speed equalized

True Form Isshiki and Saiyan Saga Vegeta are used

Oozaru is restricted

Isshiki scales to 632.449 Zettatons
Vegeta scales to 1.329 Yottatons

Isshiki vs Vegeta

Who wins and why?
 
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Unlike Vegeta, Raditz does not retain his intelligence in his Oozaru form. That's not a good thing when his large size makes him an easy target against an experienced deity with a wide array of abilities he won't be able to get around, such as Illusion creation, BFR, Sealing, Paralysis Inducement & Energy Absorption.

While Raditz has a slight AP and durability advantage, that's just about the only things he has going for him, and these advantages won't even mean anything when Isshiki either uses his durability bypassing black rods or cuts his tail (acidentally or otherwise).

Isshiki's taking this quite comfortably.
 
Isshiki also can effortlessly evade the guy's attacks by going small and scaling it to get closer to raditz to get hits in or induce his rods. Isshiki also has far more combat experience. Isshiki could also defeat raditz before he transforms and nothing is stopping him
 
Isshiki beats his ass, this would've been more fair with Base Saiyan Saga Vegeta since Base Vegeta is only marginally stronger than Oozaru Raditz.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Isshiki beats his ass, this would've been more fair with Base Saiyan Saga Vegeta since Base Vegeta is only marginally stronger than Oozaru Raditz.
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Wouldnt he be strong enough to oneshot tho?? That's a large chain scale above the entirety of Raditz plus the guy has his own amps, right?
 
This match mostly boils down to whether or not Vegeta gets annoyed enough by Isshiki's gimmick to use Dirty Fireworks on him and just end the fight then and there.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
This match mostly boils down to whether or not Vegeta gets annoyed enough by Isshiki's gimmick to use Dirty Fireworks on him and just end the fight then and there.
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How's he gonna catch isshiki to use that move. Isshiki can easily evade vegeta's physical attacks by shrinking and since vegeta cant sense isshiki, it'll be wraps if isshiki just dura negs him, aka his usual starting move.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
How's he gonna catch isshiki to use that move. Isshiki can easily evade vegeta's physical attacks by shrinking and since vegeta cant sense isshiki, it'll be wraps if isshiki just dura negs him, aka his usual starting move.
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Because he still has his scouter to track him with and Dirty Fireworks only requires him to point at Isshiki.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Because he still has his scouter to track him with and Dirty Fireworks only requires him to point at Isshiki.
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1. His scouter only tracks ki. Ki and chakra arent equalised here.
2. He's gonna have to keep track of isshiki shrinking repeatedly which is gonna be hard if he cant see or sense him. Vegeta in the show's uses Dirty Fireworks as a finishing move and SBA only relies on what character's do in character coming from the starting move straight down. While that is a major wincon, he's not catching isshiki offguard to use that when he's actively using stealth and shrinking as isshiki does in fights.
 
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GG NO RE
 
Superscharbe said:
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GG NO RE
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Fallen_Angelicx said:
2. He's gonna have to keep track of isshiki shrinking repeatedly which is gonna be hard if he cant see or sense him. Vegeta in the show's uses Dirty Fireworks as a finishing move and SBA only relies on what character's do in character coming from the starting move straight down. While that is a major wincon, he's not catching isshiki offguard to use that when he's actively using stealth and shrinking as isshiki does in fights.
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He's not doing this to someone he cant even see
 
Yeah,because Isshiki shrinks like every second.Spoiler,he dont do that

Vegeta can also just nuke the battlefield.Does not matter how small Isshiki is,the AoE will hit and kill him
 
Vegeta also battlefield nukes in character, considering he also was straight up gonna blow up earth. Although he doesn't need to do that much destruction here.
 
Superscharbe said:
Yeah,because Isshiki shrinks like every second.Spoiler,he dont do that
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WDym by "he dont do that" ofc he does. He spams it in his kashin koji fight, narusasu as jigen and as isshiki.


Superscharbe said:
Vegeta can also just nuke the battlefield.Does not matter how small Isshiki is,the AoE will hit and kill him
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ReaperAndBlues said:
Vegeta also battlefield nukes in character, considering he also was straight up gonna blow up earth.
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None of this is happening before isshiki spawns rods inside vegeta's head/body paralysing him or even killing the guy. He also doesnt just straight nuke the earth as a starting move, he starts with cqc.
 
Fallen_Angelicx said:
Vegeta is 1.4x stronger here. He isnt killing isshiki with 1 attack
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The difference is that Vegeta can literally spawn an explosion inside of Isshiki and Vegeta actually has one-shot a guy with a tiny strength gap like that between them, though it was the beginning of Namek where Vegeta is a tad bit stronger than he is here.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
The difference is that Vegeta can literally spawn an explosion inside of Isshiki and Vegeta actually has one-shot a guy with a tiny strength gap like that between them, though it was the beginning of Namek where Vegeta is a tad bit stronger than he is here.
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This doesnt happen before isshiki does his dura neg for 2 reasons.
1. This is not a main starting move of vegeta but a finisher, OR due to SBA vegeta could pull this off mid battle as he'd resort to anything to win. But in general, vegeta wont pull this to fight isshiki head-on as the battle starts. Its either ki blast or straight up the more objective starting cqc.
2. Isshiki can pull off his dura neg quicker than vegeta can raise his hand to do a gesture and create an explosion...... Isshiki can shrink stuff by looking at it and this also applies to the jutsu's he casts via sukanahiko/daikokuten. In summary, Isshiki seeing vegeta is far faster than vegeta doing a hand gesture to make an explosion especially since its equalised speed.
 
Dirty fireworks seems to be vegeta only win con and he HAS to go to it early. Isshiki can shrink or absorb all his ki attacks, rod him to death and shrink to avoid him
 
Isshiki can sense chakra so he should know to shrink before Vegeta uses dirty fireworks.

Also Boruto Otsutsuki > Isshiki Otsutsuki 😴
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Can he shrink telekinetic attacks? That's how Dirty Fireworks functions, he just telekinetically causes you to explode from the inside out.
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He could sense the ki attack coming beforehand to shrink as david suggest above. And is Dirty Fireworks really telekinetic? The guy just spawns a small amount of ki inside his opponent and they implode as it grows.... nor does it seem to fit the definition of Telekinesis to me unless you explain how.
 
Nah both the blog and his profile attribute that to just his standard power, he goes higher than that with the Galick Gun.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Nah both the blog and his profile attribute that to just his standard power, he goes higher than that with the Galick Gun.
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You sure? The AP blog says
“Vegeta is superior to Kaio-ken x2 Goku, and has a Battle Power of 18,000 which is enough to destroy a planet. Can match Kaio-ken x3 Goku with his Galick Gun, also threatened to destroy Earth with it - 1.329349904 Yottatons (Planet level)”
It directly compares him as being unquantifiably superior to Kaio-Ken x2 and can match x3 with his Galick Gun
 
The blog just attributes both of those as a reason for him being that high (Although I dunno why it uses him matching KKx3 Goku as a reason since the reason KKx3 Goku is 1.329 Yottatons is for matching the Galick Gun so it makes circular scaling) otherwise it's have 2 different values for him (It even gives his Great Ape form a value of 13.29 Yottatons, and the form is just a 10x boost to his standard power not the Galick Gun).

It even just lists his AP as 1.329 Yottatons on his profile for just his normal level of power instead of the Galick Gun. Reason being his PL is higher than what's required to destroy a planet with a GBE of 1.329 Yottatons. The blog should really have worded it better though.
 
Dust_Collector said:
The blog just attributes both of those as a reason for him being that high (Although I dunno why it uses him matching KKx3 Goku as a reason since the reason KKx3 Goku is 1.329 Yottatons is for matching the Galick Gun so it makes circular scaling) otherwise it's have 2 different values for him (It even gives his Great Ape form a value of 13.29 Yottatons, and the form is just a 10x boost to his standard power not the Galick Gun).

It even just lists his AP as 1.329 Yottatons on his profile for just his normal level of power instead of the Galick Gun. Reason being his PL is higher than what's required to destroy a planet with a GBE of 1.329 Yottatons. The blog should really have worded it better though.
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Aight, I’ll update the OP with the right rating. Shouldn’t make the gap that much different
 
So Vegetable now has 2x AP advantage? That might actually be bad for him ngl. Isshikis main fighting style would already be based around dodging attacks via shrinking and hitting the target with dura neg so nothing really changes there. But now Isshiki will see/sense that Vegana is stronger than him and know to fight accordingly.
 
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