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The Strongest for Every Tier 14

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Here is a list of every High 1-C.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Spiral https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Doctor_(Doctor_Who) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Simon_the_Digger https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Downstreamers https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagan https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Othinus

https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Beatrice

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Battler_Ushiromiya https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ange_Ushiromiya https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Supergirl_(Cosmic_Adventures_in_the_8th_Grade)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gurren_Lagan

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Aiwass

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Six-Fold_God https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tengen_Toppa_Gurren_Lagann_(Mech) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk_(Cosmic_Adventures_in_the_8th_Grade) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Daleks

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Lords

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Alternity

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Axiom https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quantum_Archangel https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yoko_Littner

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Carissa

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Eternals

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Doctor's_TARDIS

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimator

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/High_Priest

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nia_Teppeli

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Erika_Furudo

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Genome

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belldandy

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nephthys

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lagan

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Master

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hytherio

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Guardia https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Death_(Doctor_Who)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Xeelee

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Eva-Beatrice https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seven_Stakes_of_Purgatory https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Great_Intelligence

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Viral

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dlanor_A._Knox

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Virgilia

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Niang-Niang

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Theory_Goats

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Willard_H._Wright

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gods_of_Ragnarok

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kyrie_Ushiromiya

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sutekh_the_Destroyer

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rassilo

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Fenric

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Celestial_Toymaker

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Forgotten_God

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rudolf_Ushiromiya

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Old_Ones_(Doctor_Who)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Chimera_(To_Aru)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Carnival_Quee

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nuada_(To_Aru)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rose_Tyler

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kinzo_Ushiromiya

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie_(To_Aru)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Proserpina_(To_Aru)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Menti_Celesti

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/White_Guardia

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tezcatlipoca_(To_Aru)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/SCP-1831

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Key_To_Time_(Doctor_Who)
 
WeeklyBattles said:
So how do they beat oracle?
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Holy Manipulation, Reality Warping, Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation... And I believe that with the new revisions, they will get Acausality.

The true question is: how does Oracle beat them?
 
Manipulating his own fate so that he wins, having precognition good enough to see every possible outcome to any situation at any given time, the ability to make himself temporarily immune to all of the things you listed, and if they dont get acausality then paradoxing them to death or insanity with a thought
 
Is it possible for the Presence to be included as one of the strongest 1-A?

When people talked about the Presence here the only feat that got brought up is how he is stronger than Michael and Lucifer

There's a lot more to the Presence than just that. The Presence is treated more as a concept than a character so there are bound to be inconsistencies but if we take all of his feats then he'll definitely be one of the most powerful 1-A

The Spectre was thrown in the Void not just beyond time but the Void beyond all voids, he wasnt erased but instead merged with it. The reason why he was able to do that was because The Presence merged him to the oversoul and is connected to the Presence. The Spectre is nothing but a man merged with a thought of God and angels are completely transcendent beings because they are thoughts that emerge from the mind of the Presence (Yes, there are 1-A angels and 1-A Heave and they dont scale to anyone other than the Presence)
 
Shouldn't the Old Gods / Outer Gods of Demonbane be there with the Chulthu Mythos counterparts, due to being directly comparable with their Chulthu Mythos counterparts , at least according to how they are described ?
 
Azathoth will be downgraded to either 1-A or High 1-A

While being sometimes described as such, Cthulhu has faar more stuff in terms of powa
 
Yeah RIP High 1-A Azana

She's definitely 1-A though (everything from EoS Zanmatensei to the beginning of Kishin and everything after it is 1-A)
 
@Sandy I'm not sure for being the strongest.... But he's definitely a extremely powerful 1-A.

@ALRF The dream.. Isn't dead actually. While they may not have the tier, some 1-A's, including quite a few that scale well below Azana, fit the requirement APwise for High 1-A due to scaling to their Chulthu Mythos incarnations & having nearly identical feats to them . Let me explain one out of quite a few examples:

If Demonbane Nya = Chulthu Nya AP wise [ Which is extremely likely since both have the same description , definition, and nature ]... Then Mugen is effortlessly > True Nya due to oneshotting a entity who reach True Nya's state [ forgot his name ] whose far above the Ultimate Gods who fit the AP requirement for High 1-A.

Same dude when reaching for Azana... Got nearly decimating just trying to attack her in base form. Azana also stalemated Mugen at the end of the manga... In her Base.
 
@Zeed

Not saying he's the strongest but he should be somewhere up there, I mean a man that is bonded with his embodied thought was able to merge with a Void that is beyond all voids
 
... He should be up there yes . I don't think Presence is near the 1-A's presented currently [ Demonbane/Chulthu Mythos' 1-A's, Umineko's 1-A , etc. ] but he definitely should be up there with them.
 
Nah presence lost to Umr-at Tawil, which is all things considered not very high on the transcendence scale. It's superior to gate 1, and that's about it.
 
Wokistan said:
Nah presence lost to Umr-at Tawil, which is all things considered not very high on the transcendence scale. It's superior to gate 1, and that's about it.
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That thread was under the assumption that the only feat of the Presence is being stronger than Michael and Lucifer
 
Adding in 1-A Spectre and logoz doesn't get him much higher. The weakest 1-As are above badeline, gate 1 is unfathomably superior to them, each successive gate is another degree of full Transcendence like that, there's an infinite amount, the weakest outer God's transcend that entire scale, outer God's have their own heirafcuy like that, and shub niggurath transcends the outer God's.
 
The Spectre was thrown in the Void not just beyond time but the Void beyond all voids, he wasnt erased but instead merged with it. The reason why he was able to do that was because The Presence merged him to the oversoul and is connected to the Presence. The Spectre is nothing but a man merged with a thought of God and angels are completely transcendent beings because they are thoughts that emerge from the mind of the Presence

Last time I checked this was almost enough for someone to be upgraded to tier 0.

But yeah, that needs a different thread
 
The presence is often considered a manifestation of the overvoid though, those quotes that make it sound sort of like a mini Azathoth are likely referring to the full void entity as the presence in that context, and not the iteration we consider a "mere" 1-A. He's powerful, but definitely loses out to a lot of Lovecraft. I don't consider my self knowledgeable enough on the other two to say for them.
 
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