MGS needs some CRT's yeah, though not for skill stuff, that's more a blog thing (And kinda straightforward, not sure why it's even being contested here, dude could land a hit on cognizant Raiden while being slower, that's automatic high skill).
Piplup is a baby evolution, yes, assuming this of Piplup means a Machoke in its peak form can also do this, yes.
Shrugging off punches from a naturally weaker person doesn't mean you will shrug off punches from a stronger person.
It would impair Raiden's ability to defend against him, the guy can hardly take damage, this doesn't magically make him comparable in skill. You need just understand the context.
Bulk Up defensive boosts while being naturally stronger would suggest Machoke wouldn't get its ass beat, Machoke also has Counter and Revenge to respond to heavy hits, the reason I didn't respond to it wasn't me avoiding your point but rather finding it inconsequential, be more charitable, okay?
It matters when in context you understand why, the guy doesn't take much damage from Raiden whatsoever, this doesn't equate to him bridging a skill gap, suggesting so makes zero sense.
I wasn't implying you did, I was just reclarifying that we'd need an example for it.
The context behind what he was saying is that he believes the fight is finished, Raiden is floored after the explosion of EXCELSUS and wasn't standing up. It's not as if he said this in a particularly jovial tone either, he isn't walking away but towards Raiden, when can gather from this that he intends to finish Raiden off where he's in no position to fight back, he only gets interrupted because Blade Wolf shows up.
It's a copy of his dialogue from the Raiden fight where you have full control, this doesn't make it a contradiction but an oversight.
Okay, but we again see the contradiction in the material, he clearly intends to kill Raiden with the punch that blows up EXCELSUS.
I'm referring to earlier on within their fight, it's something he has done, it's not like I'm making it up out of nowhere.
Hm.
What is that definition? Here's what I know:
Piplup is NOT a Baby Pokemon, it is a First Stage Pokemon, & a Starter Pokemon at that!
Punching someone with the force to blow up a mech after continuously laying into them in a fit of anger while proclaiming they intend to kill them is supposed to be a case of someone holding back? I implore you to do the same.
Miscommunication, but this is what I meant by this: "babies" and first stages tend to be associated with each other, my point was that Piplup is the beginning of its line where Machoke is not, if that sounds more fair to you.
That doesn't have to speak to Armstrong holding back but rather Raiden's ability to withstand his punches.
You do realize that being angry doesn't mean being bloodlusted, yes?
You said the explosion was him trying to kill raiden. But raiden got up from that punch better than a few of Armstrong’s other attacks before that point. Both Armstrong’s casual demeanor afterwards added with raiden getting up pretty much unarmed, and the codex dialogue points to that punch being causal. Over the top, sure, but not in the effort meant to deliver it. Armstrong absolutely is the type of guy to make a show out of things.
You're right, except literally NOBODY but you is talking about that, him not taking damage obviously isn't skill, and as such, nobody is acting like that is. But you know what is skill? Being able to actually tag the dude or toss hands, nobody is acting like his dura or power is skill, just the actual skill part of them fighting being skill.
Then why even reply to me.
Yeah he did believe it was finished, but he didn't believe he killed Raiden.
We currently scale Baby & 1st Stage Pokemon differently, & also scale some Pokemon differently depending on whether their lines are single stage, two stage, or three stage, IIRC.
Skill can only get you so far against someone you can hardly hurt and does substantial harm to you with their punches, you can be a master martial artist at 120 pounds but I still wouldn't put you against a lesser skilled guy that is 4x your size, there becomes a limit to what your abilities can do.
This is not an argument, Reaper. You can want to kill someone without being "bloodlusted".
Yeah, nothing points to the contrary there, Raiden getting up afterwards speaks to Raiden's tenacity, not Armstrong's motive in that moment.
Alternatively, his demeanor entails that he believes the fight is over because Raiden is in no position to fight back, it's "done", because Armstrong can deal him the killing blow if he chooses, which he very well could have intended to do when he was walking towards Raiden, he simply got interrupted by Blade Wolf, who he promptly killed when he was giving the sword to Raiden.
Me talking about him not taking damage is relevant to the discussion on skill, it's a factor to consider within the context of trying to scale Armstrong to Raiden in this fashion, going on a tirade of how nobody is treating it like it is would be rather meaningless and irrelevant to what I meant by using it as a talking point.
To reclarify? To make the point clear to everyone? It should be rather evident why I replied to you, not some big mystery.
Well, clearly he didn't believe he killed Raiden, we don't need to assume that because Armstrong can see him moving, that doesn't mean it wasn't his intent to kill him.
Yes, because he can still see Raiden and can tell he's alive, thus prompting the intent to finish him off, he knew his attack wasn't fatal because he can clearly see it. I'm not sure what this point is.
And I'd wager that there was clear intent to kill Raiden based on what is presented, he got gave Raiden his chance and in turn his ideals got shat on, Raiden laid out in no uncertain terms that he didn't plan on joining Armstrong, one could gather from that and proclaiming his intent to kill Raiden right before he angrily punches him hard enough to cause EXCELSUS to explode that he did mean what he said. Regardless of how you view the Sam fight.
This sounds like pure conjecture honestly.
Dodging a 480 pound person would be easy, most of the time they're slow, and as a martial artist you can hit a pressure point to incap.
The scene plays out with Raiden floored after the explosion while Armstrong approaches him, my point isn't contradictory because Raiden is clearly in a vulnerable position, at most you can argue with the phrasing but the point stands.
I think you missed the point with what I conveyed, the person 4x your size isn't someone who is considered obese, they are muscular, just as Armstrong is in this scenario. They are slower, but still relative to you.
These arguments deserve a facepalm.
Abstraction's, you're being ridiculous. "armstrong is so buff and that magically lets him fight Raiden", it doesn't, not how it works Armstrong being strong just means he can take hits and dish out damage, it doesn't let him land hits or counter hits like he did against Raiden and Sam, being able to parry them and shit, that's skill, especially when he's slower. You think some buff dude could land a hit on someone 10x faster than him without being skilled? Against a dude with layers of analytical prediction and movement at that? No, you're wrong here, the fact you're arguing that being buff let's you toss hands with a dude that's faster than you and has a skill chain that's bigger than my dick is asinine.
It isn't, at all, nobody is talking about it because nobody sat down and thought "yeah, being buff let's you toss hands against a dude with like 10 skill stomps worth of scaling" against someone's that faster. It's like saying some average buff dude could outskill Bruce Lee, it don't matter how buff he is, Bruce Lee is gonna be running circles around his ass and humiliating him even if that buff dude could tank his hits like a champ and floor him in one punch.
Beyond the fact of how one could take this as insulting due to it being such an offhanded and unnecessary remark, I find that it holds some comedic value purely because it serves as a benchmark for your critical lack of understanding of the arguments at hand, this little amount of commentary speaks for itself when complimented with the rest of what you call a rebuttal, which I'll get into:
Instead of properly dissecting my analogy for the situation, you go into a long-winded debunk that seems hyper-focused on the exact weight of those in mention, and how such individuals would actually be super slow.
You mean the same fight where Armstrong can effectively block any strike on his body because of the nanomachines coursing through it? Are you seriously trying to tell me that having a nigh-impervious body had nothing to do with why he won that fight?
Before you say "They didn't directly compare the two" because they didn't state it word for word (people are really sticklers for that), the arguments are implying relativity, which is still much higher than Armstrong deserves credit for.
Except Raiden didn't, Raiden got Murasama and the player got the actual freedom to kill Armstrong, not much changed.
Using the previous video for benchmarks:
This is not really a rebuttal to what I said and is just theory-crafting, the fact of the matter is Armstrong knew he wasn't dead because it was readily visible to him, suggesting his intention was to not kill Raiden when also blowing up the giant mech they stood on with a punch he wound up while proclaiming that he wanted Raiden to die is simply conjecture, there's no way to prove those weren't his intentions.
Because the his interaction with Sam does not immediately correlate to his interaction with Raiden? Who visibly and audibly pissed Armstrong off with his use of trickery in their conversation to throw him on his ass?
You can understand their characters traits and how they act and still come to the conclusion that his intent was to kill Raiden in this moment, instead of relying on a piece of in-game dialogue to supplant every true attempt Armstrong makes on someone's life. It's either he wanted to kill Raiden here or you refuse to take him seriously or at his word.
My argument was that since you've been given full control of the character and have been actually given the freedom to kill Armstrong beyond the cutscenes clearly catered to demonstrate his durability, that you actually do damage. Ripper Mode being at play is a whatever factor, but frankly this point is completely irrelevant to the subject and is a talking point from a different thread, so leave it there.
You'd really have to go out of your way to suggest Armstrong was simultaneously holding back with also the desire to kill Raiden just to support that it's all 100% casual feat, it's not. You can argue that he held back in there somewhere but you have to admit it to yourself somewhere down the line that it's conjecture.
I didn't actively avoid a thing, not every single individual point of yours needs to be deemed worthy of a response. If I find it inconsequential I'm not going to respond to it, it's not dishonest, I just don't choose to waste time writing out more text walls against something that isn't entitled to my time.
Then... don't respond until you've written something of value???
Okay, but here’s the thing. We’re here to debate. Do you think the opposing argument sucks? Sure, that’s fine. Then debate why. Saying that you think the opposing points sucks isn’t debating, it’s unnecessary banter that only goes to annoy people who surely think their arguments are good.
