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Alright I'll make the CRT later
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The sans vs The jevil
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Here's the CRT. Sorry it took so long
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I vote to inconclusive FRA.
Peppersalt43
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bruh, we agreed to not continue this thread until the CRT was finished
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Anyhow its finished now, Jevil cannot heal, or change stats like increasing or decreasing max hp or increasing his own attack force, and his telekinesis is limited to danmaku he creates. The only change for sans is that he now has 4th wall awareness in his profile due to him being aware of the player hacking. Now this battle needs to be fully revised, which is why you shouldn't have kept voting
Besides, my votes always been on sans and there was at least one vote for jevil so from my understanding its not a grace anyway
Besides, my votes always been on sans and there was at least one vote for jevil so from my understanding its not a grace anyway
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Bump. Should we do the revised version on a separate thread or just do it on this one
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jevil is in a weird position now in question of power
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Since jevil can't heal himself, and sans can use telekinesis on jevil to throw him into attacks, the fight is way more leaning to sans than jevil. My vote remains on sans. Does teleportation trump telekinesis usually?
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bump
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bump. at this rate it'll be faster just to do a new thread
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I think most monsters wouldn't have a bad time against sans thanks to Dammaku
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Yes? If someone can literally teleport out of the way then it takes extremely good speed or time stopping abilities to hit them
Also come to think of it, sans could just put a spotlight on himself, stopping time, and then spam gaster blasters on jevil. I really doubt that jevil could teleport out of the way in time considering his teleport animation is kinda slow
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first of all, sans never dodged with teleport in his only and big fight, just say he would start to teleport now is kinda dumb, and has a big diference between dodging a kid with a knife them dodging projectiles all around the battle field, and Sans just needs to be hit one time, and that spotlight isn't used in cahracter.
going back to teleportation, howwould he know if the place he is teleporting is safe whem there are blades and projectiles all around? and isn't like his teleport is so easily spamable also
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the one time you hit him its because he didnt expect it. probably didnt see a point in it when he WAS paying attention, but hes bloodlusted so hes gonna use all of his stuff against jevil regardless
First of all, I disagree. The only reason he doesnt use it against frisk is because frisk isnt affected. Second of all, they are bloodlusted so it wouldnt matter anyway
rewatch his fight and you'll notice there are plenty of times where he quite literally spams teleport at you to disorient you
by paying attention?
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fair
speculation
Self teleport =/= teleport of others
Oh, sorry, I forgot sans see the fight in a 2D perspectve like we see wile controling the heart, so he can see the spots the projectiles are in and going as easily as us
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The only two times in the game where spotlight time stop is used, frisk isnt affected. I guess you could argue that sans doesnt know that, but considering the fact that sans knows for a fact that frisk/chara is the anomaly and can rewind time, it makes sense for him to assume that someone that can rewind time upon death wouldnt be affected by time stop.
Its not just self teleport. We see him use the teleport on frisk in the neutral routes with his "shortcuts", and sans teleports frisks soul during his final attack, and likely some of his others as well
thanks
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The speculation is that he would use um combat
But this isn't self teleportation spam
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what? that sentence doesnt make any sense, unless im just not seeing something obvious
It still shows that hes capable of teleporting frisk, and he DOES spam teleport both him and frisk in his final attacks
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the applicability of this skill in combat is your speculation.
Is more likely that in the final attack he was teleporting frisk from one side of the hallway to the other while moving him vertically.
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I see. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to though
how does that disprove what I said
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Kinda fair, ite wold be dificult to use it tô dodge all the Dammaku
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I mean maybe. He can still probably reflect danmaku with his bones
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unfortunately, speculation
GodlyCharmander
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The "one opponent" he fought was stronger.
GodlyCharmander
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Bone attacks are capable of interacting with matter, Papyrus kept them in a box, therefore he should be able to use his own attacks to protect himself.
Chaos Jester25
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Sans's bone attacks aren't the same as Papyrus's. Sans's bones slide through the soul unlike Papyrus's bones which disappear upon contact. It's the reason why
Sans has intangible attacks listed on his profile. Also, if Sans could use the bones to protect himself why didn't he use them to block all of Frisk's attacks? He wouldn't have had to waste his energy dodging.
GodlyCharmander
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The same applies to multiple attacks in the game, as passing through the SOUL due to karma does not mean it's not the same as Papyrus's.
It's referring to the blue attacks.
Because game mechanics. You can't use attacks to defend yourself in the game, you never could.
Chaos Jester25
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It's been a little while since I last played Undertale so my memory of the game isn't the best. Can you give me an example of a non blue or orange attack going right through the soul while damaging it multiple times?
Sans's normal attacks also phase through the soul though. The thread that got the ability added was not just talking about blue attacks. You can read about it in better detail there.
I don't see how game mechanics factor into it. Undyne gave Frisk one of her spears to block attacks so monsters can use magic as shields. If Sans could use his bones as a shield he would have.
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That's Karma, what I meant was there are attacks that don't disappear after hitting the SOUL, they should phase through it and keep going despite being physical. (Thunderplane's bombs)
I see. Fair enough, still:
Frisk can defend herself, Undyne can't, despite having the exact same spear. It's game mechanics, enemies don't block. Doesn't mean they're unable to do so logically.
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Chaos Jester25
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Actually I've thought about it more and I think GodleyCharmander makes sense. I concede.
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