GodlyCharmander
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The sans vs The jevil
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Chaos Jester25
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I don't know what's so confusing about the sentence I concede. I admit I was wrong about Sans's bones being intangible and you were right. He can use them as shields.
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The problem is, are the bones strong enough to block jevil atacks?
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Chaos Jester25
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Deltarune's 9-Bs are on a higher level than Undertale's 9-Bs AP wise so likely not.
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So the problem persists
GodlyCharmander
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We have considerable problems with Undertale scaling, Sans should be somewhat comparable based on some feats I've found, but as it stands, Sans is immensely weaker.
GodlyCharmander
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Lifting Strength difference?
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his teleknesses only change gravity, he never was show to be able to pin kris dowm
GodlyCharmander
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You mean Frisk?
But he can throw Jevil at his attacks
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yes
fair, but jevil is a lot more tanker than sans, Jevil should,t have problem surviving sans atacks until he is able to hit him
as I see this battle at the moment, if sans don't kill Jevil with his "strong atack" jevil wins
GodlyCharmander
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Sans' attacks ignore durability.
Disagree. Sans can probably use his better abilities to dodge and wear Jevil down, Sans is also far smarter, so yeah.
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Oh ye i forgot about that
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By directly attacking the soul with his attacks, Jevil has conventional resistance to attacks that directly affect the soul... which means that sans will deal even less damage than he already would.
yes, he can dodge, not for ever and never have dodge danmaku, just one knife attack every couple of minute, agreed with smarter, but jevil should be more unpredictable
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Let me give my opinion on sans dodging, he can use teleport to dodge, but that wouldn't be a decent option against danmak, as he would have to know a safe place to teleport (in other words, a place that doesn't have a projectile about to pass there), so normal devio would be his best option to swerve to the side (an area he can see is not about to have a projectile passing by), yes, theoretically he could just teleport to the side, but he never used teleport defensively, even bloodlusted should be easier for him to just move to the side
GodlyCharmander
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Jevil has no more resistance than Frisk does. And no, Sans ignores it via KARMA, the ****?
He wouldn't need to dodge "Danmaku", he'd only need to get out of the way where the bullets are being aimed at with teleportation.
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Frisk soul resistence:
Jevil soul resistence
A lot of the Jevil's attacks are not based on going towards the target, but rather occupying the possible paths that the player would take (a good example is the Devilknifg attack and the carrousel attack)
and even if so, he can teleport to dodge, I think it's exaggerating to say that he would exclusively use teleport to dodge, what would bring to sans the stamina problem
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And wait... if he's bloodlusted too what's stopping Jevil from becoming a giant Devilsknife and attacking the entire arena with his own sickle body?
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GodlyCharmander
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He'd get tired after doing so, and Sans can just leave the hall to evade the explosion (It's extremely slow too)
GodlyCharmander
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It's the same, just worded differently. Both UT and DR characters take SOUL attacks as physical ones;
Again, Sans bypass this with KARMA, SOUL Manip has nothing to do with it.
Carrousel cover a rather little amount of space, Sans can just get out of range. Devilknifes are a pattern, they spin and constantly close on the center of the screen.
I said he could, not he would.
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No, It isn't the final chaos that tiers him up, It's the multiple sleep spells
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Ok, can you explain me again how sabe KARMA isn't soul damage?
He also has that a lot of other atacks that come from multiple diferent directions at the same time
Oh, sorry I miss understood. So we are in the sane page that sans would become to tired to continue dodging before he can Kill Jevil?
GodlyCharmander
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It is SOUL damage, it just ignores durability of said SOUL completely.
That's fair.
Nooot really, I'd vote inconclusive, we don't know how long it would take for Sans to defeat Jevil (HP numbers are not comparable between two games), and we don't know if Jevil would be able to hit Sans before losing.
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I'm just gonna say this much. Jevil has a defense of ten, and both san's karma and normal damage ignore defense. Therefore the fight will be way easier for sans. I am also pretty sure that karma increases the bigger the HP, but I would need to datamine for that
GodlyCharmander
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It increases the more you're hit by his attacks, actually. Caps to 40.
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Like Poison?
Fair, bit let me put like this, Sans would need tô dodge way more oftem Jevil atacks them he needed to dodge frisk's thanks do danmaku and multiple direction atacks. On my view Sans would alread be pretty tired when Jevil "HP"(I'm nota talking aboit numbers Just making some word play tô bem easy to undertood) is 2/3 full
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Thanks. Anyhow, having 1 defense is better than 0 so sans actually has the advantage durability wise
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It isn't much looking how machu damage jevil can take
... This isn't true, he still has a 10-B Dura and can't one hit KO jevil, It just says that Sans having a lower AP isn't much of a problem
GodlyCharmander
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Precisely.
Tu precisa para de misturar português com inglês-
We're not saying Sans is only capable of dodging 22 times based on the turns of the fight, are we?
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E que eu tô andando enquanto escrevo no celular pô, fica difícil de escrever as coisas direitos e o auto corretor não ajuda -_-
No, we aren't
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Oh and I just realized, this is proof of him being capable of spam teleportation
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I know, but if he gets tô tired he will start tô not be able to dodge as well z being able tô bem hitted, and this could be a lot of thinks that aren't teleportation
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Like what? Its the only thing that actually makes sense here
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Teleknesses very fast
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Bruh that doesnt make any sense. Even if you are right, if you can telekinesis someone so quick that it looks like they moved instantly, then thats just teleportation with a small range and therefore irrelevant
And also you said "a lot of things' and you have just shown me one
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I just realized. It can't be telekinesis because when he uses telekinesis the heart is blue
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Fair, still isn't self teleportation, but it dosn't even meter any more
GodlyCharmander
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It doesn't.
He uses said "spam" non-offensively once with a specific purpose.
Also, how would Jevil deal with infinite turn again?
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