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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Antvasima said:
He did not use to be anywhere near as powerful before Jim Shooter upgraded him, yes, but still powerful. Reed Richards should probably gain some resistance to mind manipulation and/or possession.
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He already has it, I just wanted to know the level of mindhax/possession resistance this granted him.

I guess that it'd be about Watcher level based on Uatu's statement of Owen being a threat to all Watchers (and this was in Fantastic Four #20, so way before Reed repeatedly resisted Owen's mind hax and possession).
 
Well, we had no proof for the early Molecule Man being a threat to Watchers via possession.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, we had no proof for the early Molecule Man being a threat to Watchers via possession.
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What I mean is that he is at least on the Watcher's level of "being/existence" so to say, hence his mind hax would scale to that same level.

What do you personally think his level of mind manipulation/possession at this point was?

I just think that it should scale to the tier he is at.

Like how Doctor Strange's Tier 1 mindhax comes from mentally overpowering Umar, a Tier 1 being.
 
The early Molecule Man was stated to be mentally weak and simply have a vast ability to control molecules. That's it as far as I recall.
 
Antvasima said:
The early Molecule Man was stated to be mentally weak and simply have a vast ability to control molecules. That's it as far as I recall.
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I mean, his level of mind control is equal to his molecular power, as stated on his vs battles profile, so that likely means even Pre-Secret Wars his mind/soul hax would be comparable to his high power level.

On a related note, IMO we really should split Pre-SW Owen from his SW self.
 
It is? That is news to me, at least for his early incarnation that could not transform living beings.
 
Antvasima said:
It is? That is news to me, at least for his early incarnation that could not transform living beings.
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From his profile:

  • The more confident he is, the stronger he is. However, when he loses confident or is feeling down, his powers drastically changes.
    • I don't think he was being unconfident at all in this case, but comics are weird in that regard.
  • All of his stats changes with his mind. His strength, speed, durability, potency of his matter capabilities, energy capabilities, and more.
Also, I still think we should separate pre-SW Owen from his SW self, due to the vast difference in power.

At least, until both Uatu and the Beyonder become High 1-B.
 
I think there is a misunderstanding here. Owen Reece was generally displayed as lacking personal willpower in the past. His ability to possess others via his staff was never implied to be as strong as his other abilities.
 
Antvasima said:
I think there is a misunderstanding here. Owen Reece was generally displayed as lacking personal willpower in the past. His ability to possess others via his staff was never implied to be as strong as his other abilities.
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I mean, what's saying that it is weaker than his other abilities? The way his molecular powers work, every ability is scalable at every level.

Also, according to Richards's P&A, "Owen also notes that Reed has some good mental defences".

And Owen was not just a threat to the Watchers, but also shook the multiverse as soon as he got his powers.
 
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Okay. I am just very doubtful about retroactively scaling backwards in this manner after the Molecule Man was retconned to be much greater than originally intended.
 
If anybody is interested, I just read the following column by Fred Van Lente about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby:

13thdimension.com

The Sad, Confused Legacy of STAN LEE

REVIEW: Abraham Riesman’s excellent, well-researched book True Believer illuminates a tarnished legend…
13thdimension.com 13thdimension.com

Hopefully nobody here will be offended by it.
 
In Hulk's key for his Green Scar, he has
| Low Multiverse level (More powerful than he has ever been as Savage Hulk. Stalemated The Sentry) |
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For his Base because throughout the World War Hulk, He was always holding back which should includes his fight with Sentry. | Incredible Hulks 634
until he stop holding back in the Dark Dimension | Incredible Hulks 634 and 635.


I wanted to create a CRT to give Hulk a far higher
| Low Multiverse level (While holding back his rage, he was more powerful than he has ever been as Savage Hulk and Stalemated The Sentry), far higher with rage (at this point when he stops holding back his rage, he became so powerful that Umar who at that time was the Current ruler of the Dark dimension said he was a threat to her realm),
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or
| Low Multiverse level (While holding back his rage, he was more powerful than he has ever been as Savage Hulk and Stalemated The Sentry), far higher with rage (when he stops holding back, he should be more powerful than his previous strongest selves and should be a lot more powerful than when he was holding back)
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Marvel Comics Cosmology Update (/Upgrade?)

It's a pretty simple and straight forward update, in the recent marvel's X-cellent issue, Zeitgeist, acquired godhood and sent his mind across the dimensions, starting from 5 (as 4 is the dimensionality of the normal universe) He goes to 5,6, then 8 and finally 9 and 10 5th and 6th are...
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