The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I thought about that as well, but I feel like Durability Negation should be more related to an actual ability and mechanic, in order to be justified.

Well, Toon Force's whole thing is reality warp which as an hax pretty much ignores convencional durability.

 

[SamanPatou]

Do we allow something like "X Tier via Toon Force"?
Because in my making of Alligator Loki's profile (comics, not mcu) I have gathered a number of instances in which he hurts Thor-level characters (Thor himself, Throg and Loki), leaves minor, yet visible wounds (Thor) or even KOs them (Thor again).
Now, aside from scaling, he hasn't performed any feat that goes beyond 9-B, so there is realistically no reason to put him so high, but many of his stories are comedic in nature and he can hurt cosmically stronger characters because it's FUN (it actually is), so I thought of addressing it in some way, such as 3-C via Toon Force or such. However, I know it is probably controversial and perhaps even a unique case, so I don't know whether we can allow such a thing.

Bumping this, because I would like to hear more opinions on the matter.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure if we should count it as toon force or just typical extreme inconsistency for Marvel Comics.

 

[SamanPatou]

The authors are absolutely aware of that, the series is willingly written to be comedy and not be taken seriously, so I wouldn't describe it as incidental inconsistency.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Perhaps we should count it as deliberate toon force fluctuations in power levels then?

 

[SamanPatou]

It indeed is, however I'm not sure if it should be addressed through Durability Negation or through Statistics, as in Tier, AP etc..
It is arguably consistent in its inconsistence, because these comics are hardly about fighting and more about light-hearted, slice of life situations in a world were crazy stuff happens (high level destructions, powers, damages etc...) occasionally portrayed on screen to play on the difference between the gritty attitude of standard Marvel vs the cuteness of Alligator Loki and his animal friends, which don't really fight; An example is the Alligator entering a Dragon Ball-esque battle between Thor and Doctor Doom (who were shooting giant lasers and causing earthquakes) and knocking out cold the former in a goofy way.
So, in short, around him Thor, Loki etc.. do their godly stuff, but since it's funny, they can be bitten and feel the pain, even though he is nowhere near able to cause the same amount of damage they do.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we usually do not only scale characters from the scale of damage that they can cause (for example, the Hulk is limited to planetary environmental destruction feats due to being limited to mostly physical attacks), but from if they can consistently successfully fight other characters with higher environmental destruction feats.

I think that durability negation is usually restricted to specific defined powers that are not restrained by physical durability, such as telepathy or phasing, but I am not the best person to ask.

 

[SamanPatou]

Well, we usually do not only scale characters from the scale of damage that they can cause (for example, the Hulk is limited to planetary environmental destruction feats due to being limited to mostly physical attacks), but from if they can consistently successfully fight other characters with higher environmental destruction feats.

I know it well, but there's a limit to how much you can realistically expect a character to achieve, and this is not the case, as the silly little cartoonish crocodile who mostly engages in mundane activities and hardly does anything higher than 9-C isn't expected to pack Galaxy-level attacks.

I think that durability negation is usually restricted to specific defined powers that are not restrained by physical durability, such as telepathy or phasing, but I am not the best person to ask.

In this case, as I believe Suigetsuhyugs was arguing in the last messages, the idea is to consider him able to achieve impossible things in virtue of his cartoonish nature affecting the story.
This Toon Force of the character isn't recognized in-story (Examples, Gwenpool's 4th breaking being recognized as a superpower in universe or Dragon Ball characters explicitly mentioning Arale's nature as a cartoon), but around him villains as evil as Mephisto and Dormammu become good, he moves between the panels and actually teleports within the story, pulls stuff out of nowhere and uses it in the story etc.., while the general setting is that of the standard Marvel universe.
One of these impossible things include hurting high tier heroes, as mentioned above.

In short, I'm the nerd trying to find reason where it is not meant to be.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Toon force reality distortion and durability negation seems fine then.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Both of them are elemental archetypes in different mythologies.

Are there other stories that say the gods are archetypes btw?