The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[LordTracer]

Or we are literally taking the AP values of High 8-C and multiplying by two?

This.

Being "twice as powerful" = 1 tier above?

This isn’t a thing that any profile does. If something’s 2x stronger than something else, then you multiply the AP value by two.

 

[Tomfer]

This.

Oh, It makes sense then. I take since the highest value of High 8-C is 11 tons, Model 8 scales up to 22 tons?

 

[LordTracer]

Oh, It makes sense then. I take since the highest value of High 8-C is 11 tons, Model 8 scales up to 22 tons?

No, the Model 4 scales to 7.982 tons, since it scales to Luke Cage, who scales to Rhino, who can harm Mettle, whose durability scales to this. The Model 8 would scale to 15.964 tons.

 

[Tomfer]

the Model 4 scales to 7.982 tons, since it scales to Luke Cage, who scales to Rhino, who can harm Mettle

This chain, my God..

this

Now it makes sense, I was taking this and this and x2 them and I was getting really confused. Thanks for the help.

 

[Antvasima]

Hey, in Mystic Arcana: Magik, I found this feat that gives Magik resistance to Soul Manipulation.

This look good to you?

I am not sure. It seems a bit too vague.

 

[Eseseso]

I am not sure. It seems a bit too vague.

I mean, Heka-Nut tries taking her soul but fails and says that he can't.

 

[Antvasima]

Wasn't he just saying that her soul was already corrupted and bound to Limbo?

 

[Eseseso]

Wasn't he just saying that her soul was already corrupted and bound to Limbo?

Yes, which is why Soul Manipulation like his is useless against it.

 

[Antvasima]

He was trying to do something very specific related to corruotion though. I think that we need further evidence.

 

[Eseseso]

He was trying to do something very specific related to corruotion though. I think that we need further evidence.

He said he would take her soul and then corrupt it, neither worked.

So it'd be resistance to both Soul Manipulation and/or corruption.

Though if I find any more soul resistance feats for Magik I'll post them here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Perhaps "Likely Resistance to..." is fine to add then?

 

[Eseseso]

Okay. Perhaps "Likely Resistance to..." is fine to add then?

If that's what you think is best, sure.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then.

 

[Tomfer]

Is this a feat of LS for only Valkrie or both her and MK? Moon Knight acting like a "bridge" between Valkrie flying upwards while he holds metal floor carrying a bunch of people?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Is this a feat of LS for MK, Valkrie or both? Moon Knight acting like a "bridge" between Valkrie flying upwards while he holds metal floor carrying a bunch of people?

It's mainly an LS feat for the horse, but MK is also resisting the pull of the horse and the weight of the floor

 

[Tomfer]

Class K Moon Knight might be real

 

[Eseseso]

Anyone else think that the Hypersonic speed for Hulk and the Fantastic Four is kind of low for someone of their tier (especially considering the cosmic enemies they fight)?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Anyone else think that the Hypersonic speed for Hulk and the Fantastic Four is kind of low for someone of their tier (especially considering the cosmic enemies they fight)?

Agreed. Seeing them and even the likes of Kang being only Hypersonic because of the street-tiers hurts my eyes

 

[Tomfer]

I don't really like Hypersonic as a whole for the entire verse anymore. Seeing them and even the likes of Kang being only Hypersonic because of the street-tiers hurts my eyes

I'm pretty sure that a Calculation staff guy said that High Hypersonic should have been the street tier standard, but that was a long time, a little after the massive speed downgrade from the street tier.

 

[Antvasima]

The whole "everybody can fight everybody" plot convention that Marvel has is always causing too big problems with coherent scaling for me to make sense of, but maybe @Emirp sumitpo, @LordTracer, @M3X_2.0, @Eficiente, @ByAsura, and other knowledgeable members they know would be willing to collaborate to make our Marvel Comics character profile pages considerably more coherent, logical, and consistent with each other than currently?

 

[Eseseso]

Agreed. Seeing them and even the likes of Kang being only Hypersonic because of the street-tiers hurts my eyes

I'm pretty sure that a Calculation staff guy said that High Hypersonic should have been the street tier standard, but that was a long time, a little after the massive speed downgrade from the street tier.

I remember that apparently Reed Richards reacted to a eye-laser blast from Galactus from light years away, but I don't know from which issue.

Also, in Modern Fantastic Four (2018), Susan reacted to Galactus.

 

[Eseseso]

Agreed. Seeing them and even the likes of Kang being only Hypersonic because of the street-tiers hurts my eyes

The whole "everybody can fight everybody" plot convention that Marvel has is always causing too big problems with coherent scaling for me to make sense of, but maybe @Emirp sumitpo, @LordTracer, @M3X_2.0, @Eficiente, @ByAsura, and other knowledgeable members they know would be willing to collaborate to make our Marvel Comics character profile pages considerably more coherent, logical, and consistent with each other than currently?

Tbh, I'm kinda tired of Efi saying that no 5-B's in Marvel can be above Hypersonic in speed because of "Holding Back" killing any scaling to MFTL people.

I mean, a pissed Hulk attacked Doom (it was after Doom did surgery to split Banner from Hulk), and Doom matched his speed pretty well, but Efi says it's not usable just because Hulk was on Earth and he "wasn't trying to kill Doom so he couldn't have been at max speed"

 

[M3X_2.0]

The whole "everybody can fight everybody" plot convention that Marvel has is always causing too big problems with coherent scaling for me to make sense of, but maybe @Emirp sumitpo, @LordTracer, @M3X_2.0, @Eficiente, @ByAsura, and other knowledgeable members they know would be willing to collaborate to make our Marvel Comics character profile pages considerably more coherent, logical, and consistent with each other than currently?

Hyerpersonic is just the Tier. The thing is that the scaling is completely ******, you can’t just tell me Daredevil or Iron Fist are faster than lightning or anything.

Everyone’s free to change the rating but know that I’ll be against any modification to what we currently see the street level characters as. (Bullet timers).

 

[Eseseso]

Everyone’s free to change the rating but know that I’ll be against any modification to what we currently see the street level characters as. (Bullet timers).

I tried changing Doom's speed to MFTL+ via scaling to Hulk, Efi struck it down.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I tried changing Doom's speed to MFTL+ via scaling to Hulk, Efi struck it down.

Doom ain't possibly be consistent scaled to hulk.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Hyerpersonic is just the Tier. The thing is that the scaling is completely ******, you can’t just tell me Daredevil or Iron Fist are faster than lightning or anything.

Everyone’s free to change the rating but know that I’ll be against any modification to what we currently see the street level characters as. (Bullet timers).

What if I made Echo MFTL+?

 

[Eseseso]

Doom ain't possibly be consistent scaled to hulk.

Doom and the F4 should not be as slow as street tiers.

Like I said above, Reed once reacted to MFTL+ eye-beams from Galactus, I just don't know where to find the scan/issue.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Doom and the F4 should not be as slow as street tiers.

Like I said above, Reed once reacted to MFTL+ eye-beams from Galactus, I just don't know where to find the scan/issue.

I don't think F4 should be just average street tiers, but give Reed absurd speed of MFTL+ makes no sense. Something like lightning reaction I could accept but anything higher than light is absurd.

 

[Eseseso]

On an unrelated note, I gotta ask:

Would anyone be able and willing to help me find information on either Marvel Magic or on Astral Forms in Marvel (particularly the latter)?

Working on the magic sandbox is hard enough, and before I even release it I also want to finish the Astral Forms Sandbox since Marvel Magic can affect astral forms, plus astral projection is a standard magic power in Marvel.

It's a monumentous task and doing this on my own is hard, so even just help with Marvel magic (like scans that give info on its basic nature, basic magic powers, magic hax) would be appreciated, but I'd especially like help with info on Astral Forms.

It doesn't help that college is riding me.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I tried changing Doom's speed to MFTL+ via scaling to Hulk, Efi struck it down.

Doom's not a street level, he should be MFTL+ yeah.

What if I made Echo MFTL+?

Won't get accepted.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

On an unrelated note, I gotta ask:

Would anyone be able and willing to help me find information on either Marvel Magic or on Astral Forms in Marvel (particularly the latter)?

Working on the magic sandbox is hard enough, and before I even release it I also want to finish the Astral Forms Sandbox since Marvel Magic can affect astral forms, plus astral projection is a standard magic power in Marvel.

It's a monumentous task and doing this on my own is hard, so even just help with Marvel magic (like scans that give info on its basic nature, basic magic powers, magic hax) would be appreciated, but I'd especially like help with info on Astral Forms.

It doesn't help that college is riding me.

I don't know much about marvel magic maybe try strange academy since they are teaching kids magic stuff about it's nature might come up

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Won't get accepted.

That was a joke because Echo as the phoenix host would very much likely be accepted as MFTL+

 

[Antvasima]

Hyerpersonic is just the Tier. The thing is that the scaling is completely ******, you can’t just tell me Daredevil or Iron Fist are faster than lightning or anything.

Everyone’s free to change the rating but know that I’ll be against any modification to what we currently see the street level characters as. (Bullet timers).

I personally agree with you.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Is there any plans to revise some street levels or nah?
I was planning to revise wolverine's profile but it seems that it will affect more profiles that I though

 

[Eseseso]

Doom's not a street level, he should be MFTL+ yeah.

Won't get accepted.

Great.

I'll try working on F4 and Doom speed upgrades this weekend.

 

[Tomfer]

Is there any plans to revise some street levels or nah?
I was planning to revise wolverine's profile but it seems that it will affect more profiles that I though

I'm working on Moon Knight atm, my next project will most likely be Elsa Bloodstone. But a big street level revision? Nah, not that I know of.

 

[Eseseso]

I don't know much about marvel magic maybe try strange academy since they are teaching kids magic stuff about it's nature might come up

Thank you!

 

[Antvasima]

I think that M3X cleaned up our Marvel Comics street tiers, and that Ultima has mostly cleaned up the god-tiers. It is the characters in-between that seem very incoherent to me.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I cleaned a few of street characters, most of them need a rework.

 

[LordTracer]

The problem with doing big revisions for Marvel is that most characters have insanely high appearance counts, so it’d be absurd for one person to try and revise a lot of them.