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Ok. From others and Ant's questioning in the real world discussion thread at pg 10-11, I'll do the changes desired there and other changes I've backlogged for way too long.
As a short story, I was looking back on one of my debates with one of my old friends on-site, I noticed an argument that bugged me. It went on...
"A historical event like the "horse holds their own, but is killed by a bear nonetheless" is outdated and old, there fore it doesn't exist."
Sources to back up my new rules regarding irreplicable sources:
"A historical event like the "horse holds their own, but is killed by a bear nonetheless" is outdated and old, there fore it doesn't exist."
- While this is an irrelevant argument compared to what my friend was trying to argue and unconsciously defend, the implications of this argument is pretty high considering the framing for the IRL verse rules is framed as "you need science and credible sources for things to exist."
- This may give the fallacy that since dinosaurs (or any old historical document, or prehistoric trace) are old, they didn't exist ever! The real question is "yes, any old historical document, or prehistoric trace" are outdated to the current way the world and ecosystems work.
- When we're asking if a historical event existed, you need to verify if it did exist in the past, not that if it is relevant and modern with modern day. By saying some event doesn't exist ever because it's old, you're asking if it is modern, not if it existed in the past.
- This may give the fallacy that since dinosaurs (or any old historical document, or prehistoric trace) are old, they didn't exist ever! The real question is "yes, any old historical document, or prehistoric trace" are outdated to the current way the world and ecosystems work.
- 1: Gather information and traces closest to when the event happened. Most preferably primary/direct sources or secondary ones that triangulate a consistent story.
- 1.1: Have the source preferably the least biased and most neutral. If there are no neutral sources, you might as well take them and try to form a neutral view to what actually happened.
- 2: Logical Consistency.
Sources to back up my new rules regarding irreplicable sources:
Supernovas have already been taken care of in this thread, so I don't generally need to tackle it.
Ti is a relatively new user, so they're going to need a bit of guidance. Their change on the Spinosaurus is somewhat major visually, but doesn't fundamentally change what the dino is. However, I'd recommend reverting their change on the Spinosaurus size for now from here since it impacts their tier and Ti hasn't done a CRT on the Spino's strength.
Ti is a relatively new user, so they're going to need a bit of guidance. Their change on the Spinosaurus is somewhat major visually, but doesn't fundamentally change what the dino is. However, I'd recommend reverting their change on the Spinosaurus size for now from here since it impacts their tier and Ti hasn't done a CRT on the Spino's strength.
- For the deviant art sources, we have made an example of trusting Wikipedia based off of it's standards, but Deviant art has very different standards. The sources and edits related to each deviant art sources here should be removed. But keep the one from https://peerj.com/ (here) as it's a credible source.
- Scissors should only have separable blades only for specific scissors since not every scissor has easily seperable blades like this one; and I could easily record one of my scissors not being as seperable right now since people should usually have access to them.
- Myxobolus shekel shouldn't have stat reduction by it's definition in it's page
- The domestic cat's durability should scale to it's strength, as they can fight and grapple each other with little damage (This is also supported here; heavier cats typically win)
- The Common Turkey relies on piercing damage to bruise people [they peck people on the legs and they didn't overpower people, only scare them (an unreliable metric considering you can literally scare a grizzly bear off], not to mention it's 10-B wank. Downgrade to 10-C, but we should put social influencing since they can easily scare animals larger than themselves through aggression
Bone breaking depends on the context of the verse, physical build, and the forces the bones are made to withstand.
As general street fights rely on each person's reach by their arms, and boxing has similar albeit constrained conditions, a standard forceful blow/damage to the head, torso, or arms of a normal person (small fractures, small cuts, moderate bruises, etc) be is generally around 10-B to 10-A energy. If the build is closer to that of an average woman, it's 10-B. If superior to that of most average men, then 10-A.
It should be noted that some bones are far easier to break than others due to their adaptive quality, shape and size. If the bone didn't make itself strong and/or sizable enough, it wouldn't count anywhere 10-B and above. That's not mentioning fish bones, an old person's bones, and the smallest/weakest bones can't withstand anywhere 10-B and above.
However, this isn't to say all bone breaking is that unimpressive. If the bone breaking is incredibly severe (example: twisting an arm bone to where it massively deforms an arm, severely crushing a part of the skull, severely twisting a backbone in an unnatural way), it would be be comparable to the low-end 375 J of breaking a human femur.
If the bone in-question is comparable to how adapted an average human femur is adapted to stress (withstanding a lot of body weight, bipedal transport of the body, etc) then it would be comparable to either 375 J or 9.92 KJ end of breaking bones.
As general street fights rely on each person's reach by their arms, and boxing has similar albeit constrained conditions, a standard forceful blow/damage to the head, torso, or arms of a normal person (small fractures, small cuts, moderate bruises, etc) be is generally around 10-B to 10-A energy. If the build is closer to that of an average woman, it's 10-B. If superior to that of most average men, then 10-A.
It should be noted that some bones are far easier to break than others due to their adaptive quality, shape and size. If the bone didn't make itself strong and/or sizable enough, it wouldn't count anywhere 10-B and above. That's not mentioning fish bones, an old person's bones, and the smallest/weakest bones can't withstand anywhere 10-B and above.
However, this isn't to say all bone breaking is that unimpressive. If the bone breaking is incredibly severe (example: twisting an arm bone to where it massively deforms an arm, severely crushing a part of the skull, severely twisting a backbone in an unnatural way), it would be be comparable to the low-end 375 J of breaking a human femur.
If the bone in-question is comparable to how adapted an average human femur is adapted to stress (withstanding a lot of body weight, bipedal transport of the body, etc) then it would be comparable to either 375 J or 9.92 KJ end of breaking bones.
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