The Player (Wizard101) Vs Tart

[The_Wright_Way]

If they have the same tier, then this should not a key argument. Their abilities/hax should.

For the hax: The Player (Wizard101) hax: Death Manipulation, Life Manipulation, limited Probability Manipulation Tart hax: Mind Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, BFR, Reality Warping

Tart has no resistance to the The Player (Wizard101) hax

For Tart Pocket Reality Manipulation, BFR: The Player (Wizard101) can use Teleportation so it won't matter

For Tart Reality Warping, and Mind Manipulation it should not matter. The Player (Wizard101) is missing key resistance on his profile from his fight with Grandfather Spider which include Reality Warping, and Mind Manipulation

So, this looks like a win for the The Player (Wizard101). So, Voting for The Player (Wizard101) FRA

The difference between low High 3-A and high-end High 3-A is literally enough to determine a stomp that hax can't counter. It does matter.

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

@Nedge It's a stomp. Even if Tart resists any kind of haxes that Player has, his haxes works beyond her level of resistance. Plus the AP gap is infinite to the point that makes it easier for him to one-shot.

 

[SomebodyData]

Death Manipulation and Life Manipulation would likely not work, due to Tart being an undead and at this point, a grief seed. I'm not sure if Probability Manipulation would work thanks to her self-Fate Manipulation. Of course, not the same dimensional scale, but I'm not sure if he'll start off with it.

Her BFR will work, as it BFRs far beyond the Player's Teleportation range (To Heaven, which in the Puella Magi Verse is in a plane of existence above that of the regular multiverse).

Yes, Tart stands a chance technically, though this is a weird mismatch thing

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

How good is his mindhax? And how good is Tart's resistance to mindhax?

 

[Elizhaa]

SomebodyData, won't The Player (Wizard101) 's Teleportation negated BFR if The Player (Wizard101) is careful backup by intelligence which is rated Very High?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@somebody

His life and death magic works on undead

Yes, her BFR can work tho.

His Mind Manipulation only lasts 1 minute and you can not be affected if you're physically stronger than him or close to him in strength, but other than that it's impossible to escape + in shadow form he will bypass her resistance to it so her resistance is irrlevant (His shadow form lasts 1 minute 30 seconds, but in character he goes for the win asap)

His intelligence is considered to be very high in terms of combat and common sense by omniscient beings so he can likely pull something out the bag

But if it's not a stomp, then I vote for the player

Theoratically he has reality warping, because being induced in shadow magic granted Morganthe Reality Warping, but that would be noted since he has magic anyway

 

[The_Causality]

OkOk:

• Tart = 0
• The Player (Wizard101): 1 (Zenkaibattery1)

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

I'll vote for the Player for Zenkai's reasons if it's not a stomp.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

2-0 for the hope of the spiral! Funny cause there's new hax the player gets every arc so he's just gonna gain more powers soon I have a feeling he will became an abstract being, taking over Raven as the embodiment of light and spider as Shadow and Chaos, it's being implied WAY to much

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

This match depends if the Player is 3-D with 4-D powers or a full blown 4-D. Because if he's full blown 4-D, it's definitely a stomp since Tart can't do anything to a higher-dimensional being.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

With what we know, he is a 3-D being, there have been minor implications there is just one of him/her, similarly to how there's only one Spider, Raven and Bartleby. We will likely get told there's only one of him in the future, but for now there's no solid confirmation, just small implications

In other news, finding a fight for Spider is so hard lmao. Either he stomps, the opponent can't get past his abstract existence, or he gets stomped

 

[The_Causality]

he get stomped by bill so try with opponent like Giygas

but don't try with characters like Lavos, Altair (Re:Creators), Chaos, Moo, maybe Monika and other comparable or supperior

you can try with The First Spinjitzu Master

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

We still haven't seen him with his heart yet, so he likely is going to get a tier update when the new worlds come out along with more hax, since it's implied his weakened state is nothing compared to him at full power. The difference between him weakened and with his heart is described as unlimited. But anyway that is off topic. 2-0 for The Player

 

[Sound_of_Infinity]

With what we know, he is a 3-D being, there have been minor implications there is just one of him/her, similarly to how there's only one Spider, Raven and Bartleby. We will likely get told there's only one of him in the future, but for now there's no solid confirmation, just small implications

In other news, finding a fight for Spider is so hard lmao. Either he stomps, the opponent can't get past his abstract existence, or he gets stomped

He's 3-D with 4-D powers? This should be fine then.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Nedge no, the BFR just simply BFRs far too away.

@Zenkai, actually, how does his death/life manip work? And does he start with it? Because when Final Form Tart appeared, she went with BFR.

 

[Elizhaa]

@SomebodyData, alright.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

It's life force absorption firstly. But this has worked on the undead across multiple different fights he has been in. The attack is induced with shadow magic which in verse grants high universal levels of reality warping. We are the player so how much we use it depends on us, but in trailers they typically go for their strongest attacks first, which are spells like the call of cthulu which is the strongest life absorption spell (in verse the strongest spell is the storm owl but that won't translate into a death battle scenario since it would just be lightning manip). And via dialogue it's implied he finishes his opponents off quickly

His prob manip is a spammable spell and his death manipulation is just granting death to the deathless + when he transforms into shadow form it's pretty much lights out, bypasses resistances and just strengthens his shadow hits

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

FUUUUUUU

I asked the devlopers if Grandfather Spider's feat with the timeline was the be all and end all and their response was

"You never know just WHAT Grandfather Spider got up to. We are sure it will become clear at the most dramatic of times!"

If that doesn't mean the feat is greater than originally intepretated, I don't know what is :^)

 

[The_Wright_Way]

FUUUUUUU

I asked the devlopers if Grandfather Spider's feat with the timeline was the be all and end all and their response was

"You never know just WHAT Grandfather Spider got up to. We are sure it will become clear at the most dramatic of times!"

If that doesn't mean the feat is greater than originally intepretated, I don't know what is :^)

1. Scans or it didn't happen.

2. Your not allowed to go to creators about this stuff.

 

[Elizhaa]

The Wright Way

For the first case, you are right

For the second statement, you can go to the creator but the statements usually have to be evaluated in a content revision thread before being accepted.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

1.

There ya go
2. Ok?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

The Wright Way

For the first case, you are right

For the second statement, you can go to the creator but the statements usually have to be evaluated in a content revision thread before being accepted.

I meant that your discouraged from outright asking them. Many creators don't care how strong their characters are.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

The statements with the timeline was in the verse lmao, I was just asking if the feat was greater than originally shown. And they implied more than what was shown happened, we will likely get more statements in the future I'm not using their word for any upgrade atm

Anyway, this is getting off topic

 

[The_Wright_Way]

The statements with the timeline was in the verse lmao, I was just asking if the feat was greater than originally shown.

Anyway, this is getting off topic

You still need proof the creators said that. Edit: Missed the above statement.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Yes

@The Wright Way

Do you have a vote?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Nah, just correcting a mistake.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Doing research, his mind manipulation is stronger than I thought. It's powered by shadow which in verse allows you to manipulate the timeline and has made everyone with shadow in verse High 3-A

we don't know the size of the wizard101 verse yet but there have been implications that it has multiple universes kek

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

bump

 

[The_Causality]

bump

 

[Elizhaa]

I will be honest, if Tart doesn't use BFR in character then The Player (Wizard101) win. Also, The Player (Wizard101) is likely to win since it has Conceptual Manipulation now on it profile which Tart has no resistance

 

[RKGenki]

Tart definitely starts with BFR, it's the literal only thing she did in this form.

As for Conceptual Manip, unless it's an offensive form of the power it's not relevant

 

[Elizhaa]

@RKGenki, I think it is offensive based at Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2)

Conceptual Manipulation: The Player was going to destroy Old Cob who is the manefestation of Shadow and Chaos. It was stated killing Cob would result in shadow and chaos being destroyed, which in turn would destroy the spiral since there would be no balance in the universe.

In short, he is destroying an abstract being, and that would require destroying the concepts he embodies, which is what he was going to do, and Spider himself said The Player could destroy him, and Raven said destroying him would also be destroying shadow and chaos to back it up.


It just that Zenkaibattery1 didn't add the Type 2 or reasoning during revision which made it looks weak

It was accepted from this CRT:https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2004204

 

[RKGenki]

I see, but it seems more linked to the ability to fight abstracts concepts more than having actual conceptual Attacks

Anyway, assuming he has conceptual Attacks, would he start with them?

 

[The_Causality]

I'm going to assume he is
The Player always goes for the kill and he can bypass any resistances Tart would have to his magic. Unfortunately the strongest spells in the game wouldn't translate into a death battle type scenario, but luckily that won't change what spells he will use. Spells like Call of Cthulu is an extremely powerful life absorption spell and it's induced by shadow (anyone with shadow magic has some form of reality warping) so that could kill tart if we assume he's in his shadow form. And with his proabability Manipulation he can use spells like black mantle so the chances of Tart getting an attack on him is reduced to 45%, and yes, he can spam black mantle and conjuction with a buffed version to reduce her chances to use abilities to 5%. And she would need to bypass his resurrection somehow.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Well, he knew Grandfather Spider was the embodiment of shaodow and chaos, and he was going to kill him regardless as quick as he could, but he didn't because destroying spider would destroy everything he knew.

So as long as killing Tart won't threaten to destroy the universe, then yes, he's going to do it quickly. He may be a child of pure light, but he is still also a child of pure evil; Most of his battles end quickly unless the opponent is comparable in power (and hax).