The Outsider vs Novel Kars

[Arcker123]

ok pretty much there.

If you think it isn't enough then i would made a Theard asking it (if i didn't already maded one)

A. I was talking about the Fate hax thing
B. Just because an ability can be used to interact with another ability doesn't mean they are similar
C. I still haven't been given scans of kars adapting to Concept manipulation type 2

 

[manu_zarri]

A. I was talking about the Fate hax thing.

because the fate hax is a concept type 2 stuff, maybe? after all he trascends space and time, and basically, laws. but idk

B. Just because an ability can be used to interact with another ability doesn't mean they are similar

i will make a theard.

C. I still haven't been given scans of kars adapting to Concept manipulation type 2

I don't have them, i just said kars here can adapt to concept type 2 stuff. maybe if you ask to chariot you would get an answer or scans?

 

[Arcker123]

because the fate hax is a concept type 2 stuff, maybe? after all he trascends space and time, and basically, laws. but idk

Not even remotely the same thing

 

[manu_zarri]

Not even remotely the same thing

then you can ask to chariot or someone who remembers why he can do it

 

[Arcker123]

then you can ask to chariot or someone who remembers why he can do it

That.... doesn’t change anything. fate manipulation and concept manipulation are fundamentally different powers.

 

[manu_zarri]

That.... doesn’t change anything. fate manipulation and concept manipulation are fundamentally different powers.

no, wait, the fact is the fate use a concept type 2 stuff. idk, im neither sure it's fate the motivation

 

[Arcker123]

no, wait, the fact is the fate use a concept type 2 stuff. idk, im neither sure it's fate the motivation

Fate does not involve concept metal at all.

 

[manu_zarri]

Fate does not involve concept metal at all.

welp, then idk, ask to chariot or some other one that know why kars adapt to concept type 2

 

[Arcker123]

Outsider starts with either Corruption, powernull, or BFR I guess.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also has passive mindhax

 

[Arcker123]

Kars resists.

 

[Arcker123]

Also I don’t think kars can adapt to the corruption or power null, not an ability but just the very state of the void.

 

[manu_zarri]

Also I don’t think kars can adapt to the corruption or power null, not an ability but just the very state of the void.

im pretty sure adapting to some better hax make you adapt to other hax too.

at least is what kars do

 

[Arcker123]

Can’t adapt when your power nulled of the adaptation.

 

[manu_zarri]

Can’t adapt when your power nulled of the adaptation.

are they passives? if they are, are they instantly passives or uncontrolled passives?

 

[Arcker123]

are they passives? if they are, are they instantly passives or uncontrolled passives?

A. Uncontrolled passives aren’t a thing.
B. The powernull is caused by the void leaking into the physical world.

 

[manu_zarri]

A. Uncontrolled passives aren’t a thing.
B. The powernull is caused by the void leaking into the physical world.

With UP i meant Passives that are passives because for their nature, but need time of application

if it isn't a passive, or it is a "UP" then Kars have chanche to adapt

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They are passive yes

 

[Arcker123]

They are passive yes

The corruption yes, the power null is a bit more iffy.

 

[Arcker123]

There’s also still the point that kars only has one means of damaging the outsider that wouldn’t even one shot.

 

[Bernkastelll]

When did Kars adapted to Concept type 2?

 

[Arcker123]

When did Kars adapted to Concept type 2?

Still waiting for the scan on this as well.

 

[Arcker123]

So...... what exactly is kars wincon.

 

[manu_zarri]

When did Kars adapted to Concept type 2?

always has been apparently.

i actually remember and have some scans of mods using it so.

 

[manu_zarri]

So...... what exactly is kars wincon.

MiHur?

 

[Arcker123]

always has been apparently.

i actually remember and have some scans of mods using it so.

I don’t think anyone in jojo even has type 2 concept manipulation.

 

[Arcker123]

MiHur?

Outsider is durable enough to tank it.

 

[manu_zarri]

I don’t think anyone in jojo even has type 2 concept manipulation.

what about asking to chariot or someone about those concept type 2? as i said before i don't remember it.

 

[manu_zarri]

Outsider is durable enough to tank it.

wdym? MiHur is more fast than MiH in terms of universe reset.

 

[Arcker123]

wdym? MiHur is more fast than MiH in terms of universe reset.

....This does what exactly

 

[manu_zarri]

....This does what exactly

??

 

[Arcker123]

To the outsider.

 

[manu_zarri]

To the outsider.

at least for counter the omnipresence, and probably himself, since it's that place

 

[Arcker123]

What? Not only is mihur not in character. Infinite speed doesn’t counter omnipresence.

 

[manu_zarri]

What? Not only is mihur not in character.

SBA

Infinite speed doesn’t counter omnipresence.

Im talking about the universe reset

 

[Arcker123]

SBA

SBA literally states “in character but willing to kill”

Im talking about the universe reset

Lacks the ap or hax to kill outsider, also NEP.

 

[manu_zarri]

SBA literally states “in character but willing to kill”

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

Lacks the ap or hax to kill outsider, also NEP.

Low 2-C AP for affect Low 2-C Place dude.
ok.

also NEP Type 1 case was resolved in the other theard.
though Outsider can't kill kars because immortality type 8 and infinite souls

 

[Arcker123]

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.

Bro: State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.

Low 2-C AP for affect Low 2-C Place dude.
ok.

also NEP Type 1 case was resolved in the other theard.

No it wasn’t, all the thread acknowledged was concept manipulation can interact with NEP, kars does not have this

though Outsider can't kill kars because immortality type 8 and infinite souls

Already addressed, petrification, BFR, corruption, powernull, and outsider can kill D4C.

 

[manu_zarri]

Bro: State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.

How it's related to using the stronger version?

No it wasn’t, all the thread acknowledged was concept manipulation can interact with NEP, kars does not have this

Just look better to it. also i will repeat for the last time, ask to someone for the Conceptual Type 2 proof

Already addressed, petrification, BFR, corruption, powernull, and outsider can kill D4C.

Yes but not infinite souls that are another thing to D4C. also how corruption would instantly kill D4C if he swap body

 

[Arcker123]

How it's related to using the stronger version?

Mihur is an ability, one that is not in character for kars to use

Just look better to it. also i will repeat for the last time, ask to someone for the Conceptual Type 2 proof

No one in jojo even has this ability.

Yes but not infinite souls that are another thing to D4C. also how corruption would instantly kill D4C if he swap body

Outsider has precog and info analysis for this, also infinite souls does not mean Unkillable.