The Numidian possible CRT

[Nekron2]

So, if the world refusal has enough power to destroy CHIM users, shouldn't it's tier be listed as 1A possibly higher? I ask this because Talos and Vivec are 1A+ and if I am correct, they can be destroyed by it. They definitely were unable to destroy it, so there's that too.

 

[Nekron2]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You should ask Matthew, Ultima, and other staff members listed in The Elder Scrolls verse page to comment here.

 

[Nekron2]

Messaged just now.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Elizhaa]

So, if the world refusal has enough power to destroy CHIM users, shouldn't it's tier be listed as 1A possibly higher? I ask this because Talos and Vivec are 1A+ and if I am correct, they can be destroyed by it. They definitely were unable to destroy it, so there's that too.

Can you posted the evidence that supportthe world refusal has enough power to destroy CHIM users?

 

[Nekron2]

Well, for starters, the page itself states that the this- "Immensely more powerful than the Et'Ada, being completely unfazed by their combined power. As a result of its nature as a completely nonexistent refutation of all reality, not even gods that posessed CHIM, such as Talos and Vivec, could destroy him".

This statement alone should grant the Numidium 1A+ rating as the Numidium fully tanked the power of two 1A+ beings.

My rationale on World Refusal being able to destroy CHIMsters comes from the fact that Vivec who is 1A+ wasnt able to destroy/permenantly erase Azura (she regenerated) but the world refusal can erase the et'Ada, meaning that it's sheer destructive potential is far greater than even CHIMsters. Since, CHIMsters are all 1A+ they should be able to damge each other, if not destroy each other. So, going by this logic, the world refusal who seems to have far higher destructive potential should be atleast be able to damage the CHIMsters if not outright destroy them. Thus scaling to 1A+ (this along with my previous statement which is much more concrete)

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

gonna follow this

 

[Lapsad]

Well, for starters, the page itself states that the this- "Immensely more powerful than the Et'Ada, being completely unfazed by their combined power. As a result of its nature as a completely nonexistent refutation of all reality, not even gods that posessed CHIM, such as Talos and Vivec, could destroy him".
This statement alone should grant the Numidium 1A+ rating as the Numidium fully tanked the power of two 1A+ beings.

My rationale on World Refusal being able to destroy CHIMsters comes from the fact that Vivec who is 1A+ wasnt able to destroy/permenantly erase Azura (she regenerated) but the world refusal can erase the et'Ada, meaning that it's sheer destructive potential is far greater than even CHIMsters. Since, CHIMsters are all 1A+ they should be able to damge each other, if not destroy each other. So, going by this logic, the world refusal who seems to have far higher destructive potential should be atleast be able to damage the CHIMsters if not outright destroy them. Thus scaling to 1A+ (this along with my previous statement which is much more concrete)

That first not mean a destructive potential it just a durability


Last , most of i thing whether they can concluded as some sort of void maipulation in greater degreee or higher AP ?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I think the only thing that would be upgraded to 1A+ would be only worlds refutal not his AP

 

[Nekron2]

@Lapsad,

Yeah, the second part is the actual answer to Elizhaa's question. I included the first part to elaborate on why Numidium overall should hape 1A+ which by default includes durabilty.

As for your second question, the thing is Azura is High 1-B and she regenerated from Vivec's attack. The et'Ada basically have this listed in their profille-"High-Godly. Immeasurably superior to lesser Gods and Daedric Princes such as Azura, who reformed after being completely destroyed and erased by Vivec after he had tapped into CHIM". Thus, they are far more indestructible than daedra. It stands to reason that to destroy the et'ADA will require destructive power far superior to even the CHIMsters who are already 1A+. So, the world refusal should at least be 1A+ as it has indeed destroyed et'Ada

 

[Nekron2]

Bump

 

[Lapsad]

Ok well that seem reasonable to me , but anymore we need a elaboration extend from other staff to input they opinion as well

 

[Elizhaa]

Honestly, I am not seeing that The Numidium's tier would be update; durability feats don't necessarly scale to Attack Potency so I don't think he would powerscaled to CHIM users; hence, I don't think the tier would be updated.

Aeyu, a user familiar with the verse on discord, said:

• Vehk and Talos definitely were not affected by Numi at all and Jubal literally oneshots Numi with CHIM.

I will asked more inputs on it later, though

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa

Okay. So this has been rejected then?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Didnt jubal defated him by talking and not by AP?

 

[Elizhaa]

Didnt jubal defated him by talking and not by AP?

Not sure, but I will more on it later; nonetheless, this point should not change my view durability feats don't necessarly scale to Attack Potency so I see no real upgrade with the arguments presented so far.

 

[Elizhaa]

@Elizhaa
Okay. So this has been rejected then?

@Antvasima I rejected it.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Didnt jubal defated him by talking and not by AP?

Not sure, but I will more on it later; nonetheless, this point should not change my view durability feats don't necessarly scale to Attack Potency so I see no real upgrade with the arguments presented so far.

I dont think the AP nor dura should be upgrated but i could see worlds refutal could get the 1A+ as that is his way of attacking so something like this High 1-B. 1-A+ with World Refusals

 

[Elizhaa]

I dont think the AP nor dura should be upgrated but i could see worlds refutal could get the 1A+ as that is his way of attacking so something like this High 1-B. 1-A+ with World Refusals

• The thread was about World Refusals and it is listed as Attack Potency in the page so I meant it when I refer to Attack Potency; I don't see the valid reason why the The Numidium's World Refusals tiering should change since it not related to Numidium's durability as seeing from its durability justification.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

i am not saying to upgrade his dura or anithing like that i am just talking about worlds refusal

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if this has been rejected, we should probably close this thread.

Thank you for helping out btw.

 

[Nekron2]

Well, if that's the case, then please close this thread. Thank you all for your time.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Thank you for being reasonable.