The I/O pages are really, really bad

[KingPin0422]

1. There are grammatical errors everywhere. I can barely read some of the stuff on the pages because sometimes the wording makes no sense.

2. Most of the statistics lack a justification. In particular, why do the Cyberspace Goddesses have omniscience/omnipresence?

3. Speaking of the Cyberspace Goddesses, they are High 1-A for transcending Marduk just as he transcends a normal human... I am aware that this technically meets the minimum requirements for High 1-A, but we have regular 1-A characters who are arguably more powerful than just that.

4. HE is given "Limited Omnipresence" and "Limited Omniscience", but why not "Nigh-Omnipresence" and "Nigh-Omniscience"?

Yeah, you can tell that I don't exactly like these ratings.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The tiers for I/O as a whole are are complete mess

 

[DontTalkDT]

A6colute made the pages, so you likely want to ask him regarding the justifications.

In regards to the english, he isn't quite good in it IIRC. If you wish to improve the grammar, I am certain a staff member would be willing to unlock the pages for that purpose.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Iirc he once tried to get the tiers changed as well before

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I can try my best to justify 2 and 3 from what I have read of the visual novel, still working on finishing it

2. They have omnipresence due to being the essence of information itself. Thus, they compose everything within the verse. Omniscience follows suit

3. yes, but those verses usually have a difference that can't be put at a level of power. One that is hard to apply in other verses. Like, sure you may be infinitely powerful but you aren't in Azathoth's throne room so it doesn't matter how infinitely powerful you are you are still weaker, stuff like that. Especially since the difference between a 1-A and a normal human is greater than infinite levels of infinity


I actually plan to go through and do some revisions once I finish the novel

 

[KarmodF]

I can see most of the explanation as 2-A/High 1-B but not 1-A, depending if those "layers" are actual Dimensions, sad to see them getting the downgrade because the verse looked kinda interesting.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I don't think its getting downgraded from 1-A. Since they transcend the real and digital worlds conceptually which is tantamount to transcending the concept of dimensions

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I... also don't see them being downgraded. At best, they need a simple clean-up.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I though there were some real high standards for 1-A like there jad to be other tier 1 stuff first? Like i once heard a veres without 2-C stuff would never be Accepted as tier 1 at all.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Which pages have these grammatical errors?

Also, I believe that someone once said to A6colute that simply transcending an infinite heirarchy of dimensions was just really high High 1-B, not 1-A, and that they had to actually transcend the concepts of dimensions in their entirety.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I though there were some real high standards for 1-A like there jad to be other tier 1 stuff first? Like i once heard a veres without 2-C stuff would never be Accepted as tier 1 at all.

they do have 2-C stuff, its just not worth noting so we never made a profile for them

 

[ALRF]

?

Don't think that a verse not having 2-C stuff means a verse can't have 1-A stuff.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

speaking of cean up, the regen isn't even listed https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1293346

The regen should be true Godly tho

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

?
Don't think that a verse not having 2-C stuff means a verse can't have 1-A stuff.

probably some figure of speech that got taken literally. The massive power gap is jaring tho

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Being 1-A doesn't automatically mean True Godly

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Also, I believe that someone once said to A6colute that simply transcending an infinite heirarchy of dimensions was just really high High 1-B, not 1-A, and that they had to actually transcend the concepts of dimensions in their entirety.

In this case, they transcend the distinction between the digital and the real which is equivolent to being above the concept of dimensions.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Being 1-A doesn't automatically mean True Godly

true, but i meant that if they were regenerating from attacks with eachother that would be True Godly, would it not?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

No.

True Godly is regenerating from being erased on a 1-A level.

If there's still a part of them left, no matter how metaphysical that part may be, they have not been erased on their 1-A level.

If someone hit Cell with an ball of pure existence erasing void that only hit and erased his arm, we would not say he has Mid-Godly Regenerationn for regenerating his arm.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No.
True Godly is regenerating from being erased on a 1-A level.

If there's still a part of them left, no matter how metaphysical that part may be, they have not been erased on their 1-A level.

If someone hit Cell with an ball of pure existence erasing void that only hit and erased his arm, we would not say he has Mid-Godly Regenerationn for regenerating his arm.

so what would the regen be then?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I don't know what they were regenerating, but I would just say "the 1-A equivalent of Low-Mid / High-Low / High" or something

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No this again?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

someone get Absolute over here

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Matthew, if by "this" you are referring to my thougths on 1-A Regenerationn, yes, this again. I've been wanting to bring it up ever since the first time.

But we can debate it on my wall, rather than derail this thread which is meant to be about grammar fixes, justifications and determining whether or not they even are 1-A

 

[Momokamaru]

True Godly is wrong. No one wants to accept the true definition that was described time and time again. What's this 1-A regen bullcrap?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

@Monarch

The difference is that Cell is a physical being that obviously dies if his entire physical body is destroyed, and most Regenerationn in fiction that is below High / Low-Godly works by whatever particles are left of the annihilated target starting to duplicate themselves and then binding with each other

1-As are not physical beings with bodies that can be annihilated on such a small level they don't regenerate, because they are not composed of anything, when you destroy the arm of a 1-A, you are erasing it, there is no physical matter or particles they regen from. They simply reform from... nothingness

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Being 1-A and regenerating from having your 1-A arm chopped off by a 1-A sword =/= true godly regen

That's not what the definition is.

Hell, I don't even know why we need true godly, but it's here, so go by the definitions.

 

[Sera_EX]

More like reform from an external abstraction beyond the totality of physics.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Sigh. I can see that this is happening here, so whatever.

Let me get my arguments together

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You cannot equate a Dimensionless Abstraction to 3D physics.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I feel like the more we bring this stuff up, the more complicated this becomes. Safe to say, things are about to get even more complicated....

 

[Sera_EX]

Because...let me put this as nicely as possible.

People keep changing the definition. True Godly is and always will be regenerating from being erased beyond nothingness. Any tier can have it. Whereas High Godly by definition uses the term "reality", True Godly refers to the penultimate Regenerationn. Even if you are erased beyond nothingness you still come back. Existence Erasure means nothing to someone with True Godly.

 

[Sera_EX]

Regardless, this is derailing. The topic has been concluded so just close this, please.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Because...let me put this as nicely as possible.
People keep changing the definition. True Godly is and always will be regenerating from being erased beyond nothingness. Any tier can have it. Whereas High Godly by definition uses the term "reality", True Godly refers to the penultimate Regenerationn. Even if you are erased beyond nothingness you still come back. Existence Erasure means nothing to someone with True Godly.

Existence Erasure means doesn't mean anything to someone with Mid or High godly either though

(Still writing argument)

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Not necessarily. Existence Erasure depends a lot on its level and mechanics.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

You cannot equate a Dimensionless Abstraction to 3D physics.

You cannot stop time in a timeless place

You cannot seal the soul of a soulless being

This is fiction. Authors can do whatever they want, and we need to accept that.

As Don'tTalk (i think) once said, "We need to stop treating 1-A like it is some sort of transcendental mystery. You can have dimensionless time, dimensionless matter, dimensionless space, dimensionless physics. All of this is just one big abstract metaphor"

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Those are really just powers, it is a false equivalency you are saying. You can't just say "This is fiction!" and then expect everyone to accept whatever illogical argument you say.

And yes, you answered your own question. It is an abstract metaphor, so you cannot apply 3D ideas of matter to a 1-A. Whatever their "body" is made of and however their Regenerationn works is not applicable or comparable to our understanding.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

We rate Regenerationn based on what level of damage they can regenerate, or to put it another way, what is left of them to regenerate from. A whole body, a headless body, a puddle of blood, an atom, no body, nothing at all, whatever.

Let's use the Masadaverse gods for an example, because they are for the most part all portrayed as humanoid and not some shapeless beings like Cthulhu Mythos, so I can talk about arms and legs being cut off.

If a Masada God has their arm destroyed, and they regenerate it, they are regenerating from everything except their arm. If they are decapitated and regrow their body from the neck down, they are regenerating from just their heads. And if they are reduced to a single atom and regenerate, they have regenerated from a single atom.

It does not matter that these arms and heads and bodies and atoms are 1-A metaphysical versions of arms and heads and bodies and atoms. It just means that it is a 1-A metaphysical version of Regenerationn. If there was something left of them, then they have not be erased. There is still something left of them, metaphysical abstraction beyond the totality of physics or no.

Now let's look at the definition for True Godly:

Able to regenerate from being erased on a level beyond the confines and concept of dimensions themselves.

And if there is something left of them, then they have not been erased on a level beyond the confines and concepts of dimensions themselves. Or to put it a less wordy way, they have not been erased on a 1-A level.

Hence, unless you've got a 1-A being erasing another 1-A being, and then the second 1-A being comes back anyway, that's not True Godly.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You are missing the point completely. There is no such thing as a 1-A physical body losing its arm. It is an abstraction. Your starting premise is incorrect and your entire argument is built on it.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

No, I am aware that the 1-A is an abstraction and that these aren't physical bodies we are talking about.

The fact that it is an abstraction is irrelevant. If you want to treat 1-As as abstract beings that we can only possibly comprehend with metaphors (which is not a stance I disagree with), then we can consider their Low-Mid regen or whatever to also be an abstract metaphor representing the level of damage to their abstract metaphorical selves that they can heal from.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No it isn't irrelevant. You can't admit that the 1-As have no bodies or arms or legs in the first place and then formulate your entire argument as if they do.